I keep seeing people chasing financial independence make the same mistake over and over.
For some reason the FIRE community propagates the same message that focuses on cutting costs and ways to invest.
And sure - saving a few bucks with coupons is an easy way to pat yourself on the back saying you are on the way to financial independence.
But the problem is that both of those are the wrong thing to focus on.
In this video I will explain why FIRE enthusiasts often get this one so wrong and why you need to spend almost all of your focus on increasing your income instead.
Income does not have a ceiling. It is possible to get gains of over 25% and there are millions of different ways to do it.
But it is far harder to focus on income than saving a bit of money on your grocery shopping, so naturally it's far easier to focus on the easy bit instead of making your go out of your comfort zone.
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Hey guys, it's sasha, i keep seeing people who chase financial independence, make the same mistake over and over and over, but for some reason everyone just copies whatever everybody else says just because it is the story that people who want financial independence want to hear. The problem is that the story - those people need to hear is not the one they're being told fire is the popular online movement standing for financial independence retire early and the popular narrative is that if you manage your finances, the right way, if you look after your Money, you too can become financially independent long before the typical retirement age. At some point in your 60s, then at that point you can go ahead and stick two fingers to your boss: go and travel around asia with backpack and never have to work a single day in your life again, unless you particularly want to - and it's a nice Thought you can clearly see in the typical stereotypes that are painted in the community that it is sort of meant to especially appeal to younger people. Young people have a long long way to go until retirement, and they are also usually considerably less prepared for retirement as well, and they are usually a lot more keen on the idea of spending a few months on a random island in thailand.

Or you know, driving around the country in a volkswagen campervan and someone who has a family with three kids, but anyway, fire comes in different shapes and flavors. They have created a version of how you can achieve your dream, regardless of how improbable it is. If you don't want to go and eat beans on toast every night, no problem there is a special fat fire version, particularly for you. It is the same as every other kind of fire, except you can throw frugality right out the window.

How, incredibly handy anyway, the way fire is achieved is ultimately the product of a very simple equation. You take your income, you subtract your living costs and then you go and save or invest to the difference. That's it and you keep doing that, and eventually those savings or investments will be big enough. You'll reach your fire number for you to be able to live off that money forever.

That's the theory anyway, and if you look at this equation, almost all of the fire advice out there seems to focus on completely the wrong bit and there's not many things in the equation to focus on, and this is the bit that really frustrates me. The most popular thing that fire enthusiasts focus on is costs, because if you reduce the cost in the equation, then you will have more money left over every month and the more money that is left over the more you can save and the faster you'll be able To get to that fire number that magic amount of money you need to not have to get out of bed in the morning and you know not have to actually do anything and the second most popular topic in the fire community seems to revolve around the investing Side should you go and buy property without money? Where is the best place? To put it, should you go and invest in stocks and shares? What is the best interest rate available and savings accounts all of that kind of mumbo jumbo? But here is the unfortunate truth. If you really do want to achieve financial independence, rather than just sort of you know pretend to make yourself feel better about things, then spending a few decades. Scrimping is not the best way to get there.
Can it get you there possibly, but it is not the best way. It is not the fastest way and i'll tell you one thing: it is not the most pleasant or enjoyable way, either. Spending your 20s 30s and 40s constantly worrying about spending money that takes away from your fire goal is a pretty miserable way to live your life, and just so, you might not be able to go to work, and you know enjoy yourself a little bit at some Point in your 50s you're trading, the wrong things and i'll tell you another secret. I have a finance youtube channel right here that talks about investing for the vast majority of it, so i'm a pretty passionate guy in that space.

I love investing. I'm really interested in it, but here's an unpopular truth about investing that. You need to know you can figure out ways of squeezing an extra few percent on the returns on your investments by doing certain things, by investing in the right way, by diversifying it between different asset classes and all that jazz. But the single most important factor that trumps everything else in how much money you can make with investing is not the rate of return on your investments.

It is actually how much money you invest in the first place. I can tell you that if i go and invest 1 million dollars, i will get a higher rate of return over the next year. If i let a monkey pick my stocks, then the luckiest best investor out there will be able to earn from investing 1 000. So here is where the fire community seems to have completely got their priorities wrong.

In many many cases that i am seeing, the most important factor by five in reaching financial independence is not being super frugal. Living in a one bedroom apartment eating ten food for every meal and showering once a month. It is also not trying to work out if you should invest in the s p, 500 or which particular stock. You need to keep your money in the one factor that trumps, everything is your income and you can only save so much on your cost.

There is a minimum that you will never be able to go lower than and the closer you get to that minimum. The more miserable your fire journey is going to be. You can also realistically only optimize your investing returns. So much many investments will yield you around 10 on average in the long term.

If you kick ass, you might be able to get 20, maybe even 25, but it is pretty rare, especially over a long period of time. But income is the one lever where you basically have unlimited theoretical power. It is actually possible to go and get more than 20 or 25 increase on your income. It is also the scariest out of these different levels, and that is why people don't like talking about it, because it takes far more effort to go, and you know, go out of your comfort zone.
In order to increase your income, then you know buy own brand food in the supermarket. It takes far more effort and application to learn new skills and to invest in yourself so that you can go and get a better paying job to earn, say double what you earn. It takes a massive amount of dedication to wake up two hours early on a miserable february morning for the 1000th day in a row to work on your side hustle, and there isn't a clear manual that you can follow. There isn't an obvious answer like there is with you know, cutting the cast bit or the investing bit.

You can't just go and watch a youtube, video and just know what to do so. I do get it. I understand why this happens. Increasing your income might feel like a mystery wrapped in uncertainty obscured by opaqueness and shrouded in confusion, but if you are serious about financial independence, that is where you need to be digging.

That is where the treasure is buried. Let me tell you an old russian joke that is really not funny, but it's pretty educational. So there's this drunk guy looking around on the ground, underneath the lamppost at night and the policeman comes up to him and asks him what he's doing and the drunk guy says i'm looking for my keys, i lost them and the policeman says: do you know roughly Where it was that you lost them, and the drunken guy says oh yeah yeah over there by by the bushes and the tall grass and the policeman goes. So why are you looking for them over here then well says the drunk guy, it's much easier to see under the lamppost.

I apologize for how unfunny that joke is. But what is funny is that this is pretty much exactly what so many people in the fire community end up doing if you earn two thousand dollars per month, for example, adding an extra four hundred dollars per month from a side. Hustle is going to make a massive difference towards your financial independence goal. So why does every journey in this brave new world of fire seem to start with trying to cut costs? Instead, i mean sure, be smart and don't spend too much and stop buying stuff.

You don't need, i mean, i think that we're all grown up enough - or at least we should be to understand these kind of things without it needing to you know, be a special club with an acronym, but why is the community focusing so much attention on these Aspects i get that they're easy and i get that it is. You know, far easier to feel like you're doing something because you save five dollars on whatever it is you're buying. But we have people obsessed with spending hours, finding the best discount vouchers or coupons. Instead of spending those same hours figuring out and working and developing how they can actually earn more money instead and there are lots of ways to earn more money, you can start today go and look at websites like fiverr or upwork.
I bet you. There is something on there that you could do and that will earn you more than driving an extra 30 minutes each way to go to a slightly cheaper shop to buy your groceries. You can then try to go for something more elaborate, maybe charge more for your work. If you develop more in demand skills, you can adjust your career to go down a route that will pay you a better wage.

I mean sure it takes a hell of a lot of planning. It takes a lot of thinking, it takes education, but it is doable. You can learn how to build a passive income business. There's tons of completely free information out there to get you started, but the key is exactly this: the bid, i just said, did you catch it? You have to get started, it might feel like the journey ahead is long, but nobody is going to do it.

For you, the world might be unfair, but sometimes we just have to pull ourselves up slap ourselves in the face and then put one foot in front of the other and then do it again and again and again i can tell you now that if over the Next, 10 years, you invest all the time you would have spent trolling money, saving tips on fire forums and cutting out the latest vouchers, and if, instead, you go and invest that time over that entire period and invest find extra time. On top of that as well. To take your income from your two thousand dollars a month to twenty thousand dollars a month, you will feel a whole lot more financially independent. Will it take time, yeah yeah, you bet it will? Is it going to be hard yeah you're going to have to work? Really hard for it is it impossible? No plenty of people have done it, it is actually achievable.

It is just that nobody sees that person working on their online business at 5 00 a.m. You know two hours before the kids wake up. Nobody sees that person starting again from scratch pulling themselves up after they failed the last two times to try to start something, but they all see the end result five years later and think to themselves how lucky that person is to have just accidentally by complete fluke, Stumbled into this online money making machine so if you're in that camp, where you want to watch daytime tv play bingo, maybe do some golf for the next 50 years of your life or even, if you don't want to do those things, don't make the mistake of Focusing on the wrong thing focus on improving your income of increasing your earnings. Instead, if you found this video useful, please don't forget to smash the like button for the youtube algorithm.

Thank you so much for watching. I really really appreciate it and, as always i'll see you guys later.

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28 thoughts on “You’re doing fire wrong financial independence fail”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars foltan1 says:

    Didn't I watch this video from you before? Not a criticism, just feel like I've watched a video before where you explained that for FIRE you need to focus on increasing income more than decreasing costs.

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Knoksvau says:

    Best fire method :you join government job as police officer, firefighter etc and you go for early retirement around 45 , easiest way 🙂

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars A Fraser says:

    You’re hilarious! Although I’m not sure it’s intentional, Lol ? Great video with some real truths and some great take aways – keep up the good work

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Gashi says:

    I want to be free financial when I get retired. I want to pay out my house for now and then buy another house and rent it, then go all in for the retirement.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars TheRetirementality says:

    I just did a video about Financial Minimalism that says exactly the same thing as this. Hopefully, we can get people to understand this concept. Good Job Sasha.

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Poppy Dontree says:

    I keep hearing Thailand when people talk about FIRE. I'm Thai and honestly it isn't even THAT cheap anymore if you want to be in more populated and Westernised part of Thailand (which I assume some do especially when retiring young). Last time I went back I paid £14 for a cocktail in Bangkok. On another note, completely agreed with your view here 🙂

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Beticus Magnus says:

    Another burden is the government stealing your money through "taxation". The burdensome task of putting up with open theft on your earnings makes this difficult as well. Think of all that extra capital one could have if some bureaucrat wasnt robbing you legally.

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars John Rocks says:

    Well you’ve hit the nail on the head here, worked for 40 yes for the ‘man’ basically no savings, pension or stocks 2 divorces living in social housing and unemployed out of the building industry.
    Retrained started a business worked 80+ hours p/W for 10yrs now own my own home sold the business for £500,000 (invested in stocks) and am in the process of building my side hustle business and still work about 2 days p/W because I get board doing nothing. Should of invested in myself much earlier in my life

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Turning Point says:

    Is there even a thing as vouchers these day? All of that is true but I see many people spending needlessly. I work with some that just about every work day buy a coffee and some food on the way into work for example. Thats probably about au$10 a work day, so a year is au$2500, at10% would add up to about au$170,000 in 20 yrs, 30yrs au$500,000. Just by making your coffee and breakfast at home.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars e-motion says:

    I disagree with the FIRE movement ideas. I cannot imagine my retirement for example at age 35 and me doing nothing else than consuming after. In life you should have goals. If you loose the purpose, you loose it all. How much money do I need to retire? It depend of the goals you want to achieve. Do I have enough? It depend of the goals you want to achieve. Is it good to retire early? It depend of the goals you want to achieve

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Stan Sheppard says:

    Great video, thank you
    My good wife and I only got going on investing a few months back – a combo of not knowing and having 2 busy jobs and 2 very young kids. Up and running now, spreadsheet done, accounts combined, sustainable investment standing orders set up BUT we set aside money to enjoy ourselves and live our lives. It’s been hard enough getting to this point, the last thing we want is to be miserable while investing.

    Absolutely spot on re the side hustle. I’ve a second job of sorts centred around spots coaching that was paid hourly but is now composite fee which has gave us much more room to do what we’re doing now. Expanding on the side hustle and trying to increase income is excellent advice.

    Keep up the great work, it’s people like yourself and others on YouTube that have helped myself and many others.

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars l4m41987 says:

    I just find the idea of having the target to not work irritating… This people should spend there time, instead of researching how to save cost and best investments, they should research what do they like and what are there good in and make it a profession. They solve two things, there target is not to quit the job early and they would earn money….

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ed Webb says:

    Another great video. Thank you Sasha.
    Video request if I may.
    I believe that UK residents can earn up to £1000 via side hustle, eBay sales and bank interest before needing to declare it.
    Can you do a video aimed at this early stage including your views on which process is best to follow if earning more is your intention. I’m think declaring self employed, create a business and when to open a business bank account etc. I appreciate your opinion.

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Dev says:

    Generally if you want to side hustle or make more income you're going to have less time to enjoy your 20's regardless. But I think the main point is that if your income increases your living standards should remain the same and invest/save the difference, otherwise there would be no difference. But if you can't increase your income at the moment then at least try and cut costs where you can. Balance is key in my opinion

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Esteban Lopez says:

    Sasha. I am going to ask you to stop disclosing my life. In this video you just described everything I have been doing wrong in such detail is kind of creepy.

    The content as usual is eye opening, to the point and useful. Looking forward to when you release a course.

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Pyro Fire says:

    I work night shifts so i'm free during the day. I would love to set up an online business of sorts. Maybe something like e commerce or equivilent.
    I have also read many other people's failed attempts which has for the most part put me off. I don't want to go out and work during the day, as stated i do nights so i would prefer my focus on working online at home so i dont risk burning myself out.
    The kicker is where would be the best place to start and what would actually work.

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars S K says:

    Thank you Sasha! I detect you are very skeptical about the early retirement idea. Me too. But I do want more freedom to travel and do other things. As you suggested, I'm focused on earnings, and took the career route. Money's good, but I have to always be plugged in. Hard to find the middle ground and enjoy life when your job is demanding. 😅

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Virtual Muffin says:

    I think that saving a lot early on isn't bad because your CAGR automatically is high in the first few years because your deposits are higher than your gains. So getting the most out of that seems wise? The deposits have less impact with time and at that point you can start thinking about saving less. This could be very easily be done by your 30's.

    For me FIRE is half right. I want Financial Independence. And in a way the 'Retire' part is true too. But I want to Retire from your typical employment. I want to have a good go at passions without the need to worry about the result. Rather I can worry about the process instead, and this is the right way to do it. My Dad tried to do this too early and now he's struggling. I don't want to be in the same boat. So that's why I aggressively save. Because like my Dad I can overthink the financial side of things and that stops me in my tracks when I get things done.

    I have an average wage for the UK at the age of 28. Most of what I'm good at revolves around typing extremely quickly and memory. I think i could possibly reach the top 35-40% of earners but no further as I don't want to chase a stressful high paying job like many of my friends end up in. They comfort eat through a lot of of their hard earned salaries just to stay sane. I don't think I'd be comfortable in that position.

    I'm a little too aggressive with my saving and I wouldn't recommend heavily chasing FIRE to anyone who grew up in a middle class family or better with the same wage as me. But if you haven't known any different what is there to lose? I want future generations of my family to live a better first 30 years of their life than me. I just aim to get a better last 50.

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tyler Sabo says:

    I’m aiming to retire at 50. Or at be able to, maybe I won’t actually do it though. My strategy is: make as much money as possible through my thirties and forties and throw a ton of money into the market and build a real estate portfolio for rental “passive” income. I’m so happy someone finally said that you have to make MONEY to retire at an early age not just make your own coffee and save $15 per month.

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Andres M says:

    YouTube needs a double Like button. The last couple of weeks this idea has been on my mind. I watch your video and it makes perfect sense.

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Adam Priscak says:

    Highlight of this video – the old Russian joke! Kinda reminds me of one of the most important books I’ve ever read – Richest Man in Babylon

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tommy Snurkerburger says:

    Loving the presentation skills. Especially the annunciation. It makes your clips very watchable. Is that something you have developed later in life or by way of a good education? Serious question by the way. One of the many aspects I am working to improve regarding personal development.

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Philip Campbell says:

    As someone with three children cutting your expenses is easier said that done. Much better to increase your income. Means your wife and kids are happier too!

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Garfy Garf says:

    Agreed. My buddy similar age, is cheap, quit his job and invests full time. Even if he makes better picks than me and gets 25% ROR instead of me making 10%, how likely is he going to be able to sustain consistenting over the next 5 to 10 years? How much more return is he going to have to make to be able to just cover his expenses and make more than my income? The costs and the invest portion of the formula can make an incremental difference, the income portion can make an exponential difference.

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Kent William Albin says:

    I agree with you Sasha excellent points, but I thought this video was prompted by the recent Morningstar report suggesting the standard retirement rule of thumb should be lowered to 3.3% from 4%. Even lower in times of higher inflation.

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars RB says:

    I remember I watched a video by couple of cents where he mentions increasing your income, pretty much saying the same things you mentioned here and it really impacted my outlook on how to achieve financial independence. I’m in college still and it’s motivated me to work 10x harder and go down more contrarian routes to increase my income potential. This factor is greatly overlooked in FIRE. Great video keep them coming!

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Nicola Terrenghi says:

    The book "the psychology of money" explains this concept (and many others) in a crystal clear way. Highly recommended.

  28. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Af I says:

    Didn’t realise that was the predominant view on selling fire. Not from what I’ve read/watched. Who wouldn’t be maximising income whilst min expenses to want you actually need even want?

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