Over the past few weeks we've observed the spectacular collapse of Evergrande, China's second largest property developer. For many this seemed to come out of nowhere. But almost 10 years ago activist short seller Andrew Left warned of Evergrande's questionable accounting, excessive leverage, and shady business practices.
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What's up guys and welcome back to wall street millennial, if you've been paying attention to the stock market, you may have seen the embattled chinese property developer. Evergrand continue to free fall with stock price, losing another 5 of its value. In the past 5 days, ratings agency s p says that the company is likely to default and also cut its credit rating on other property developers in the country. The downfall of evergrant seemed to come out of nowhere with the stock price declining more than 90 percent.

In just the past year, institutional investors, including blackrock hsbc and ubs, were loading up on the company's debt in the months leading up to the collapse. But for more than a decade there have been obvious red flags around the company's precarious financial structure, corporate mismanagement and shady business dealings. As early as 2012 famous short seller, andrew leff was sounding the alarm on evergrand, saying that the company was fraudulently understanding its liabilities and was on the brink of insolvency. By that time, evergreen was already an extremely influential company in china, and hong kong.

Taking them head-on was not going to be easy. In 2016, the hong kong financial authorities found left guilty of market misconduct and said that his allegations against evergrand were false and misleading. He was fined millions of dollars and banned from trading hong kong listed stocks for five years. Andrew left has taken a lot of flack for his disastrous gamestop short position earlier this year.

While his call on evergren turned out to be premature, he turned out to be dead right in the end in this video we'll go over less 2012 short report about the company, the hong kong government's crusade against him and how evergren was able to stay afloat. For so long before finally collapsing in 2012, andrew left citron research published a report accusing evergrand of hiding its debts and engaging in illegal business practices. At this point, they had only publicly traded for a few years and had a market cap of about 9 billion us dollars. Many investors wanted to get a piece of the red hot chinese, real estate market and evergrand looked like the best way to play this.

Between 2006 and 2011, their assets increased more than 20-fold, far outpacing the growth of their peers, but left thought he found accounting irregularities that they used to overstay their assets and understate their liabilities. After adjusting for these, he said their book equity value was negative. 36 billion rmb, while the company is reporting equity of positive 35 billion on their balance sheet. Additionally, he alleged that they bribed government officials to buy land for their developments at below market prices, and finally, he claimed that they used a ponzi-like financing structure where they rely on growing pre-sale down payments to finish existing products and service their debt load.

All these factors led left to make the conclusion that the company was fraudulent and would eventually collapse. He initiated a short position and published a report in the summer of 2012, immediately causing the stock to fall. 20 we'll take a deep dive into each of his allegations. While evergrants assets had grown tremendously so had their debts and while they were reporting net profits, their operating cash flow was negative almost every year since 2006..
That alone isn't necessarily a bad thing, depending on how they book their revenues and expenses, it might be legitimate for their operating cash flow to be negative, while their net profit is positive, but his next allegation was far more damning. He said that evergrand uses off-balance sheet joint ventures to hide billions of r b worth of debt and falsely classify it as equity. This is a bit complicated, so we'll explain it with an example: evergrand wants to make a new development at a cost of 100 million dollars, but they don't have 100 million dollars of cash, so they find a partner to finance part of it. Evergrande will put up 51 million dollars for a 51 stake in the project, while their partner will put up 49 million dollars for a 49 stake.

Let's say the property price has decreased by the time. They finish the project and they can only sell the development for 80 million dollars, because evergrand only owns 51 of the project. They only incur 10.2 million dollars of the loss, while their partner incurs the remainder, because this is an equity joint venture. Evergrand wouldn't have to report the 49 million dollars from the partner as debt.

They have no contractual obligation to cover the losses for the partner if the development makes a loss left argued that evergren's jv's actually had a very different structure. They guaranteed a specific rate of return to the partner, for example, they might guarantee a 10 return, which means, regardless of how the project turns out. The partner is entitled to 54 million dollars from their original 49 million investment. If they only end up being able to sell their properties for 80 million dollars, there will be only 26 million dollars left for evergrand after paying the partner.

This is a much more risky proposition for evergrand, because they'll have to make a large loss if the development slightly underperforms their projections. It could be the case that the partners view evergreen's developments as very risky, so they're only willing to put up capital if they can get guaranteed returns left argues that these joint ventures are really dead, but evergrand falsely classifies them as equity, so they can keep them Off the balance sheet and make their leverage ratios look better. He said that these off-balance sheet debts added up to 23 billion rmb. This is eerily similar to enron, which also had tens of billions of dollars worth of debt in a convoluted system of off-balance sheet vehicles.
The next issue that left brings up is allegations that evergrand bribed government officials to get better deals when acquiring land in their 2011 financial statements. They recorded 73 million dollars worth of cost of land premium without official invoices left inferred that this means bribes evergrande bought land from local chinese governments at a 67 discount to their peer group. They possibly bribed government officials to sell them state-owned land in an uncompetitive process. At below market prices, they also allegedly pulled bait-and-switch tactics where they would sell properties under development to home buyers.

Once the property was complete, it looked significantly different from what the buyers were originally promised. In some cases, their business practices resulted in protests where evergrand's private security personnel got physical with protesters left argues that the chinese government could eventually force them to forfeit their illegally acquired land. That would destroy evergrand's business as they would still retain the debt that they used to buy. The land left also said that evergrand's heavy reliance on pre-sale down payments resembled a ponzi scheme.

They desperately needed cash to make interest payments and contractually obligated payments to their jv partners to fund this. They needed to book an ever-increasing amount of pre-sales. This led them to desperately take on unattractive projects with poor economics, such as a large development in yinko city, which already had a glut of residential housing. Evergrande's, founder and chairman goes by the title dr hui and their corporate website says that he is a professor at the wuhan university of science and technology.

You may also see him referred to as xujia yin, which is the mandarin pronunciation, but they're referring to the same person. You might be surprised to hear that he does not have a phd and was in fact never a professor at any university. They could legitimately claim he's an entrepreneur and self-made billionaire, so it's quite strange that they felt the need to call him a professor as well, but it just goes to show how willing evergrande is to stretch the truth to make themselves look better. The last piece of citron's report talks about some absurd non-real estate-related ventures that evergren has taken on which burn cash and destroy shareholder value.

The company bought a professional soccer team in china and paid the players 70 million us dollars per year. This is multiples higher than what other soccer teams in the country pay. They also spent more than 100 million dollars to build the evergrand football school which they use to train and recruit new players. Needless to say, this is a cash incinerator based on the evidence put forward in this short report left said that company was running out of cash and would face a liquidity crisis within the next few years.
What he failed to consider was that, as long as china's real estate prices kept inflating and sentiment remains strong, they could continue building new assets to offset their existing liabilities for many years to come, and that is exactly what they did. After the short report. The stock increased as much as 6-fold at its peak in 2017, but with evergrand now on the brink of bankruptcy. It appears that the chickens have finally come home to roost and left was proven right.

In the end, the hong kong financial authorities did not take kindly to left's allegations with evergrand being a hong kong listed company. They launched a market misconduct investigation into his short report. They said that the short report resembled a tabloid and left did not do sufficient due diligence to verify his allegations in the report. Nor did he have a complete understanding of the hong kong accounting standards after the report was released.

Many of the investment banks covering evergrand stock said the claims were false and the dip in the stock price was a buying opportunity. The authorities also found that andrew left started covering his short position almost immediately after his report was published, ultimately making a profit of one and a half million hong kong dollars in 2016. They found him guilty finding him millions of hong kong dollars and banning him from trading hong kong listed socks for five years in rendering its decision. Last week this hong kong tribunal said - and i quote mr left - consciously disregarded the real risk that his report was false and misleading as to material facts, he was reckless in his conduct.

What's your reaction today, i don't think i was reckless in my conduct at all scott. If you look at that report, it's extremely well sourced. It's well documented everything is right there, their accounting, in my opinion, was ponzi-like accounting taking from one person to pay back the person beforehand, uh and right now looking backwards. It probably wasn't the best idea to write an article on.

I think it's the largest property developer in china uh. That being said, you can take away the truth. Uh hong kong has made conscious efforts right now to curb short selling uh, to also curb any kind of criticism within the market that i was giving and uh. You know i'm proud of the fact that i went ahead.

I stood by it. I spent a lot of money on legal fees to fight it. I think the media has been very fair in understanding the fact that hong kong is trying to suppress my freedom of speech. That report had a hundred different points in it and they picked out a few that they thought can be easily tried in a court and they're really accounting issues and that's what they stayed focused on.

Oh, of course i want to appeal, but uh. You know they say if you can't fight city hall, it's pretty pretty difficult to fight hong kong city hall, and i just don't want to be in that situation. If, although i do believe what i wrote was correct, but, more importantly than being correct, what i wrote was sourced documented and was my opinion and in order to have a fair and open market, you must allow people to express their opinions at the end of the Day evergrant's financials were too complicated for anyone to definitively prove that they were committing any fraud. There can be many different interpretations of the accounting standards and evergrand vigorously defended themselves, and this also goes to show how difficult activist short selling is.
Whenever you end up being right in the end, things can take many years to play out alright guys that wraps it up for this video. Do you think evergrand was a fraudulent company? Do you think they can survive their current cash crunch? Let us know in the comments section below as always. Thank you so much for watching and we'll see you in the next one wall, street millennial, signing out.

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28 thoughts on “Was evergrande a ponzi scheme?”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars 12time12 says:

    Seeing blackrock lose money is excellent news. I hope they go Lehman after the losses pile up over 9-12 other companies that may be insolvent.

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jimmy Eklund says:

    I don't know if I'm misinformed or there is an actual error in the video?
    I have heard that the company bought/rented "land" by paying more for it then it was actually worth,
    because they wanted to get it before competitors..
    Thus them getting a sweet deal on it by bribing the sellers seems "not correct"?

    Translation error?

    Also they are not the only company doing deals like so,
    actually it looks like most big companies do.
    So they don't lose the deal to a competitor..

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Hans Henrik Eriksen says:

    "Grant's Interest Rate Observer" 2017 Evergrande warning:

    We call the attention of the readers of Grant's to this situation because, in the first place, everything about Evergrande is incredible (the board of directors in 2016 earned $46.5 million, J.P. Morgan reports), and, secondly, because we suspect that the company name will one day become proverbial, like "Bank of United States" or "Hindenburg".

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars SuperDomKiki says:

    Isn't that the same dumbass Andrew Left from Citron Research that was absolutely wrong about GME ? Guess he made a right call once in it's life, at least.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Brian C says:

    Just another proof that only the super stupid will invest in any company in a dictatorship country, especially China.

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars R says:

    “As long as asset prices kept inflating, and sentiment remained strong…” hmm sounds like how the US market never really sees issues until its a massive, destabilizing event.

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars R says:

    Holy crap that guy called accounting fraud by them NINE YEARS AGO. What a boss…minus that whole shorting GME thing

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Laurie Seto says:

    It's good to see that local government officials become exposed and get severely prosecuted. These corrupt officials undermine the Central government of accountability and set the stage for mass discontent and dissatisfaction. As for the Hong Kong stock exchange, the leadership has examples of corruption as well throughout the years.

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Robin Marks says:

    All corporations lie, cheat and steal. Even regulatory laws in the United States can be easily circumvented. DELAWARE. It's only the most greedy that get caught preforming fraud, "creative accounting". Enron, etc. I would even say 2008 was due to fraud and almost no bankers went to jail. The mortgages were lies and agents were encouraged to sell high mortgage adjustable rates to unqualified people. Then, knowing these mortgages were toxic, bundled them up and sold them to unsuspecting, and unsophisticated investors, like pension funds and government bonds. Corruption and fraud all the way to the top and down to the bottom. It's all a ponzi scheme. Is no one paying attention to the GIGANTIC AMERICAN DEBT?

    29 000 000 000 000
    almost 29 Trillion dollars and going up by the second. Just by looking at the debt clock, it's more than 10 000 dollars per second.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Alex Hue says:

    If GME files for bankruptcy in the future Mr.Left will be invited to CNBC and saying "What did I tell you 10 years ago?" And let's not forget Andrew went long on Valeant at the final stages of collapse. His track record is lower than broken clocks.

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Darren NYC says:

    most Chinese companies are Ponzi Scheme, those companies are trying to scam money from poor people and banks, after the money has been made they either declare bankruptcy or flee out of the country.

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Happy Fox says:

    "to have a fair and open market you need the freedom to express opinion" no… if I scream fire inside a movie theatre when there is no fire yet, just safety concerns then it's not freedom of opinion.

    What HK did was just cover up and refuse to investigate something that could have been prevented and even left to die before further damage could have been done. What HK needs to do is learn from this, especially when they are playing with something that has collapsed economies before… all they need to do is be educated in countries that have had these problems in the past like USA, UK and the UK… preferably they should go to the UK because they LOVED hiding problems and then there is the USA which tends to try the same thing but people just go "yea, we seen it before"

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Manjunath Swamy says:

    Hunt for the short sellers of Evergrande, you will find the grand plan of CCP. All short sellers (majority) will be stooges of CCP.

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Matthew Cho says:

    Chinese government used this type of Ponzi scheme to prop up their GDP… higher GDP, more money they can borrow and more money they can print. More land leases, more political protection of companies like Evergrande and Huarong. Only a matter of time when China will have to pay the piper and everything falls to the ground.

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Hype Beastreet says:

    There are so many problems with our current accounting system.
    Maybe it’s time to change it

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars john patrick says:

    For 10 years the finance gurus and regulators failed to see a problem with the company. Just like the Madoff scam when regulators were handed proof.

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars john patrick says:

    Behind every corporate scam is an accounting firm and audits. They are like conspirators.

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars john patrick says:

    Corporate debt from a developer paying/promising 12% a year is not a red (no pun intended) flag.

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Bill Bopperton says:

    I would love to see a thorough audit of Evergrande. I place zero trust in their balance sheet.

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Robert Croogs says:

    Keep buying and investing in stock or Crypto, in the end you will enjoy your rewards. Soon bitcoin will reach $100,000

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars John Apples says:

    I always knew this channel was run by a Chinese. Besides the blind faith in the Chinese government he shows by suggesting to invest in Chinese companies.

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars John Apples says:

    If The HK government was going after him back then they were obviously controlled by the CCP. How did anyone think HK would get freedom? LoL!!!

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Kevin Barry says:

    I love credit rating agencies; they're really good at telling us about risks long after everybody has heard about them

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Veer Jaggy says:

    At least half their economy is a ponzi scheme… But all foreign institutional investors know this. They still invest in the Chinese economy to make money while the grift keeps on going and expect to get out right before. It also helps that the government is in on this.

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tobacc0 says:

    Shorting is a disaster if you don't get the timing exactly right and it's so easy to fail to predict how long irrational investment will go on for. Take a look at Square as an example, lol.

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Alex says:

    I wouldn't call it a Ponzi scheme considering some people got what they paid for. I think there practices to keep revenue generating certainly amounts to fraud but a Ponzi scheme as we know it regularly. Don't think so.

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Greg Harris says:

    I had to laugh out loud seeing JP Morgan in their own report coming out in Evergrande's defense in 2012. You mean the largest criminal bank in the world doesnt see the scam??! NO WAY!!

  28. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Dav e12 says:

    Fraudulent by our standards for sure, but it's actually normal for them the way they operate there. it's just that this particularly large house of cards finally collapsed, others haven't yet.

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