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Here’s why the 4% rule was such a big deal. It was “invented” back in 1994 and used as a method of calculation to make sure you NEVER run out of money in retirement…or basically, if you want to have endless amounts of passive income forever…this tells you how much you need, and how much you can spend.
But now…according to the INVENTOR of the rule itself…he says the 4% rule is no more…and instead, he’s recommending a change.
He says, NOW, that “he no longer sticking to 4%, and that that number was always treated too simplistically.” Because of that, he says 5% is still pretty safe….if anything, 4.5% is now the new “Worst case scenario” and 7% can be safe for the AVERAGE 30 year retirement.
One is from the popular finance blogger, Financial Samurai…he’s outspoken in his claims about the legitimacy of spending 4% per year, and says it was established at a time when the 10-year bond yield averaged 5%.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-new-savings-target-for-a-modest-retirement-8-million-2020-08-17
So, I THINK…in fairness here, I’ll break down my OWN calculations independent from everyone else…and I’ll give my thoughts, as someone who makes YouTube videos from their home all day.
So, first…in order to do this, we’ve gotta take a look at what’s called a “rolling 30 year return” of the SP500…this is basically the AVERAGE return that you’re going to get, over any 30 year timeframe, and by doing this, we’ll be able to find the best and worst case scenarios for your money.
We’ll start with this chart, they found that a 20-year stock market has NEVER ONCE produced a negative result, adjusted for inflation, in HISTORY…and the WORST CASE SCENARIO, EVER REALIZED…was a .5% average return adjusted for inflation.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/stock-market-returns-time-periods-1872-2018/
Another chart found that, on a 30 year rolling period, the WORST CASE SCENARIO was an 8% annual return, before inflation, and the best case was nearly 15% before inflation.
https://awealthofcommonsense.com/2016/05/deconstructing-30-year-stock-market-returns/
And a third chart shows the worst possible 30-year rolling period was 4.3% after inflation - again, that would’ve been during the 1960’s.
http://www.theretirementcafe.com/2012/09/30-year-rolling-stock-market-return.html
Given all of this information…if you’re looking at a 30 year retirement and you want to be 100% safe in the worst possible case scenario given ALL of the historical data we have available to us over 130 years…spending 4% annually would be okay.
Although my BIG CRITIQUE here is that, IF you want to retire early, and have LONGER than a 30-year retirement…then you’re probably safest to aim closer to 3%-4% withdrawal rate because you’ll need that money to last you a lot longer. That way, even IF the market doesn’t return as much as it did historically…you’d be able to budget appropriately so you don’t run out.
The metric we should use is that it’s OKAY to spend 3-6% of your portfolio annually, IF you’re willing to cut back on your spending in the event the market goes down, or if the markets aren’t producing as much as you thought it would.
And really, all of this should be used as purely a rule of thumb, and by understanding the math behind what this is and what it does…you’ll be able to better budget how much you’ll need to save and invest.
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What's up you guys, it's graham here, so we have some pretty big changes for anyone, who's, investing their money, building wealth and working towards financial independence, and that would be the end of the four percent rule and why we should stop using it. According to the person who literally invented it to begin with, see for nearly thirty years, the four percent rule was known as the holy grail of making sure you have enough money invested to never have to work another day in your entire life. However, that was all until the other day when the inventor of the rule itself said it no longer applies and changes have to be made. Now, of course, you might be wondering but come on.

Why does this even matter? How does this even affect me? I just came here for the cute turtle pictures and the three free stocks down below in the description when i deposit a hundred dollars on weeble and that's a good question, but truth be told. The math behind this video is probably going to be the most important calculation you're ever gon na have to make through your entire life, and this applies to pretty much anyone watching who invests their money. It's gon na tell you exactly how much money you need exactly how much money you could spend and what you need to do to never have to work another day in your entire life and if you think, i'm joking about this, just watch into the end of The video and you'll see how this math can change the way you invest your money and why it's suddenly changed. That is as soon as you thank the sponsor of this video.

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So with that said, thank you so much for doing that and let's begin over here all right. So here's why the four percent rule was such a big deal. It was invented back in 1994 and used as a method of calculation to make sure you never run out of money in retirement or basically, if you just want to have endless amounts of passive income forever. This tells you exactly how much you need and how much you could spend now to figure this out.

The inventor analyzed every single year of stock market returns, and then he simulated what your money would have been worth. Had you retired that year and then lived off your investments for a 30-year period now the goal with this was that, if done right, you would never run out of money, and in order for this to be a success, the calculation needed a few things to happen. One they wanted to make sure you didn't spend too much money in the event your investments didn't do as well as you thought they would yeah i'm looking at you denny's. I still have not made my money back on that one and number two.

They want to make sure you don't spend too little of it to the point where you can't possibly spend it all. So you gift it to your grandkids to then go and blow on first edition pokemon cards. So, in order to calculate how much money you need invested in order to live indefinitely without ever having to work another day again in your entire life, they simulated every single retirement year in history from point a to point b and then they projected how much would Have been left over assuming the worst case possible scenario, which is really you retiring at the peak of the market and then slowly watching your investments just get decimated day after day, lower and lower and lower anyway. That sounds confusing.
Well, it is a little bit confusing, but here's a chart to help break that down now, as you can see from the chart here, if you're a hundred percent in the stock market and spend only three percent of it per year, it's safe to say your money Is going to last you indefinitely with a 100 success rate? That's because the market on average returns anywhere from seven to nine percent annually. Two percent of that gets deducted for inflation so effectively by spending three percent. That leaves you with a two to four percent buffer. Each and every year to let your investments continue to grow in value without you needing to do a single thing now, on the other hand, if you're 100 in the stock market and spend 5 per year over 40 years, you'll only have a 76 chance of not Running out of money by the end of those 40 years, that's pretty much a one in four chance, you're going to be completely broke by the end of the time frame, which is not a place you want to be between the ages of 70 and 90..

Now this guideline is also known as the trinity study and from all of this research. The 4 rule was born. That means, if you want to live off an income of 40 000 a year without you ever needing to work another day in your entire life or make any more money. You'll need one million dollars invested and that will give you an 89 chance of lasting for the next 60 years without running out.

This calculation also works in reverse as well. For example, if you have a hundred thousand dollars invested, congratulations, you could effectively spend 333 dollars a month, adjusted for inflation, each and every year in passive income, because that's how much your investments are going to be growing by every single year, but now, according to the Inventor of the rule itself, the four percent rule is no more and instead he recommends a change. He says that now he's no longer sticking to the four percent and that that number was treated too simplistically see historically, he took into account the worst possible case scenario in that you retired precisely at the worst moment possible in history and the markets were like. No, no, no graham we're gon na punish you for retiring early, so here's a circuit, breaker, here's, a bankruptcy say goodbye to your tesla call options or in a more realistic approach.
This is someone who retired at the worst moment in modern history that was october of 1968, just as the stock market peaked and runaway inflation had just begun. However, somebody who retired at that time would still be okay if they just stuck with the four percent role for 30 years, so that was basically taken with the worst case scenario in mind first and then readjusted backwards to make sure, even if that happened, you'd be Okay, but now he adds that during other times in history, when inflation is low and bonds are cheap, a new retiree would be able to spend much more and still be. Okay. Historically, he says the average safe withdrawal rate has turned out to be about seven percent and at points it's reached as high as 13 percent.

Of course, the only way to know this is after the fact in hindsight, at which point it's probably too late, although given the current state of the market with low inflation and low interest rates, the four percent rule has now been changed to the five percent rule, Meaning that you would be safe to spend one percent more per year in retirement and still have money left over by the time you reach that big like button in the sky. If anything, he says that now four and a half percent is the new worst case scenario and seven percent could be saved for the average 30-year retirement now. That, of course relies on low inflation, and all of this is in hindsight after the fact. So what happens over the next 10 years could absolutely change this.

However, not everyone is happy about this and right now, there's quite a few rebuttals against this. One is from the popular finance blogger, financial samurai, he's very outspoken in his claims regarding the legitimacy of spending 4 per year, and he says it was established at a time where the 10-year bond was 5. So he says that now, with 10-year bonds yielding just below 1 that instead, you should aim to spend just point five percent. Every year, uh yeah, you heard me correctly, not five percent point five percent and he even lays it out for you in a nice chart that i'll put up right here.

So if you want to go and retire off forty thousand dollars a year, you're gon na need eight million dollars invested now to be fair, i'm not sure if he was just having a really bad day that day, but him saying that caused a lot of criticism And backlash from people who say that he's lost his mind, there have never been any periods of time where the stock market has returned so little over a 30-year time span and to be fair, they're right, but that also doesn't stop people like karen. I i mean susie orman from telling people that, if they want to retire they're going to need 5 million dollars, her reasoning is that that's enough to raise a family and live a very middle class lifestyle and a high cost of living area, while still having money Left over to go on vacations every year and have a little bit left over in case something comes up or the markets go down now. Obviously, both five million and eight million dollars is a pretty ridiculous number to come to, especially if you don't spend a lot of money or you're planning to retire off forty thousand dollars a year and aspiring for five or eight million dollars is pretty daunting. So i think, in all fairness here, i'm just gon na break down my own calculations, completely independent from anybody else and i'll give you my thoughts from someone who makes youtube videos from home all day so first.
In order to do this, we got to take a look at what's called the rolling 30-year return of the s p 500.. This is pretty much just the average return that you're gon na get over any 30-year time frame and by looking at this, we're going to be able to figure out the best and worst-case scenarios for your money, we're going to start off with the chart. That goes back the furthest and it goes all the way back to the good year of 1872.. This one found that a 20-year stock market has never produced a negative return ever in the entire history of the market, adjusted for inflation and even in the worst case scenario ever realized in history over 20 years.

That return worked out to be 0.5 percent adjusted for inflation. However, this was like i mentioned during the 1960s when inflation just went crazy and the likelihood of that happening again is slim to none, but during any other time, however, the average return was more like six percent annually. With a best-case scenario of 13 now, another chart found that on a 30-year rolling period, the worst-case scenario was an 8 annual return before inflation, and the best case was nearly 15 before inflation, and a third chart shows the worst possible 30-year rolling period was a 4.3 Return after inflation again, that would have been during the 1960s. However, with the unlikely chance that the worst possible case ever scenario happens in history, at the precise time that you decide to retire, and on top of that, you never want to work another day in your entire life ever again, then, according to all this data, in The entire history of the market over any 30-year period, you would actually be okay at five percent, although my only big critique here is that if you want to retire early and have longer than a 30-year retirement, then you're probably safer to aim for more.

Like a three to four percent withdrawal rate, because you need that money to last you longer that way, even if the market didn't return as much as it did historically, you would still be able to budget appropriately to make sure you're okay, but let's be real. The biggest thing to keep in mind for almost everybody watching is that none of this matters that much, if you're, okay being flexible in your spending, it's not like you have to spend five percent of your portfolio every year. Otherwise, you're a failure - and it doesn't mean you can't scale back to three percent per year if you just can't find anything to spend money on instead. The metric we should use is that it's okay to spend three to six percent of your portfolio annually.
If you're willing to cut back on your spending in the event the market goes down or your investments don't do as well as you thought they would. For example, if the market goes down 10 next year, then hey, maybe that's a sign that you should not be buying a first class ticket to paris, and maybe you should postpone staying at the ritz carlton. As long as you have flexibility in your spending, chances are you're gon na be fined whether you're spending three percent or five percent. Now this one also assumes that you're never going to make money from working ever again in your entire life and again the likelihood of that happening is slim to none.

So in the event you retire and take time off, but then wait a second. The markets aren't doing that. Well, there's nothing! Stopping you from ooh spooky going back to work and making more money or you could just make youtube videos. The possibilities are endless, and again all of this should really just be used as a rule of thumb, by understanding the math behind this and how it works.

You're, going to be able to better budget, save and invest your money. Just take the amount of money you want to have in retirement then multiply that by 20 to 33, and that's how much money you will need to have invested if you want a 30-year retirement. Just multiply that number by 20 to 25 and that's approximately how much money you'll need now, if you need this money for more than 30 years or if you're an immoral vampire who intends for this money to last you for many centuries, then you should probably multiply Your spending by 33 - and that should be enough to last you for a long time. So there we go.

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25 thoughts on “Stop using the 4% rule”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Bedanta Saha says:

    I always wonder how much public money these so called big university researches WASTE to do the calculations that anyone with common sense, basic knowledge of math and analytics can do at home.

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Quynh D. says:

    Like, what if you save up .. and just go to canary islands to retire somewhere in Asia?

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars jhfit says:

    We won't have 1968 type inflation Again? Care to update that comment?

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Miguel Hernandez says:

    I don't understand why suggest actively managing your portfolio when all the calculations are based on the s&p 500. Just invest in a low cost s&p 500 index fund.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Donkeyearsa says:

    The biggest problem is you have no idea what surprise bills like say a six month hospital stay medical bill for a stroke you might have after retirement.

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Knowledge Is Powerful says:

    My God Samurai!!! at .5% I would be living off $10 per week in order to invest $2200

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jeff Landquist says:

    What's the actual rates of return? Most times it's average, but you can easily show you're at a 10% gain and have less money than what you started with. Also, inflation is much higher, esp this year, how do you plan for that?

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Michael Day says:

    Would love to see a video about going from full-time to part-time early (halving your income) at an early age — adjusting all of these calculations for that. Say going part-time at 45 or 50 and working part-time until 65-70.

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Trump Is a confirmed cuck says:

    Financial Samurai is a dingus. He thinks the typical person will earn $250,000 a year.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Stair Climber says:

    Slow down the speed on this video. Viewers need time to digest this subject instead of drinking from a fire hose.

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars The Bronze Spoon Investor with Steven Labrenz says:

    The Industrial Revolution is lead by one technology – Digital Automation. You master that, you win in in life.

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Rebecca Powell says:

    The only issue is that this assumes that the market will NEVER do worse than it did in the 30 year period following 1969. Basing your assumptions on historical data is what makes a calculation of this kind possible, but it still is insufficient for true safety, as disciples of Nassim Nicholas Taleb will testify.

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Danny Liston says:

    I only like videos that I am politely asked to like. You are one of the few you tubers I like their videos consistently.

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Diane Neff says:

    I have always wondered about this rule. Who is going to struggle their whole life to save a million dollars and then try and live on 40K. 40K is not very much. This seems ridiculous to me. You can not even travel on 40K. Live, who cares how much you leave your kids.

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tony Szemereta says:

    Rich people are rich cause they act poor. Poor people are poor cause they act rich. Take note.

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jedi_Mapper P says:

    Graham's advice is better than all the other "experts". Adjust spending for market ups and downs. The reality is people who think doing nothing in retirement or playing golf everyday get bored, lack purpose, and get depressed. People who volunteer and work part-time at something they enjoy live longer and their money lasts longer because they earn their pocket money at a social low-stress part-time job.

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Daniel Perkins says:

    Not to nitpick technicalities but if you withdraw a % each year you can never run out of money ever.

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Zachary D says:

    What’s the percentage i can succeed with a 10% withdrawal rate? 500k sounds muuuuuuch closer to me 😉

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars norm graham says:

    When it comes to wealth building….I recommend getting a second job.

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars norm graham says:

    Susie Orman was a successful, infomercial saleslady , whom branched out from Infomercials to primetime. She had good advice, but she enriched herself, with excessive fees on her debit card, and making claims, that were close to fraud. She was a great financial entertainer.

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Elie Mounsef says:

    I remember watching this guy with 1,000 subscribers, cool idea… help someone build a YouTube channel and see how far you can help them go.. I think doing a series of that would be awesome

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars War Street says:

    My suggestions for improvemnent to your video:
    a. Write Key Word or Pinpoint your Main Idea
    b. Talk Slowly

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars 50450720 says:

    Excellent video, but how many lucky people can realistically retire significantly early? 😭

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Chris Nilsson says:

    Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck. How do they invest if almost all their money goes toward food and shelter and other basic living expenses?

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars AxelQC says:

    If you retire in your 60s, you shouldn't be looking at 40 or more years in retirement. Your chances of living to 100 are far lower than your chances of running out of money. The median life expectancy for a 65 year old retiree is 84 years old, so 19 years would be plenty for half of retirees. Stretching it to 30 years is more than adequate for the vast majority of people.

    If you do happen to live to be 95 and do happen to run out of money, it's likely do to medical costs, and you can always rely on Medicare, SS, and Medicaid in that case. You can also sell your home, since you will probably be in a nursing facility by then anyways.

    It's ridiculous to live an abstemious lifestyle in retirement to ensure you have enough money for 50 years, since no one lives to be 115.

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