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Hey guys, it's Sasha Tesla has just held their investor Day 2023 and in case you missed the super exciting announcements or maybe fell asleep during the exhilarating presentation, I am going to share some of the highlights and my thoughts. just a quick trigger warning: Tesla is the biggest single position in my investing portfolio, but I am just going to come out and call things as I see them, we're going to be calling Spade Spades If you want the rose-tinted spectacle version where everything is perfect Tesla is going to make 8 billion Tesla Bots by 2030 and how Tesla Bots will then work in factories to make more Tesla Bots and then those Tesla Bots will be working in factories to make even more Tesla Bots that will then be working in Tesla Bots making Tesla cars. Well, if you want to listen to that, there are plenty of Fanboy channels out there. Go and check them out.

You know where they are. but Tesla stock is down over six percent in pre-market trading this morning because I'm recording this video and I am surprised it's not more than that. Elon Musk Famously sent emails to Tesla employees and Twitter employees more recently saying that you can resolve most issues without a meeting. instead of meetings, send a text or send an email and the vast majority of the meeting last night's regurgitated topics that were already known already announced not in any way new.

Tesla Spent the first part of the meeting discussing Elon Musk's Master Plan Part Three: The first two parts of the master plan had actual business specifics. The first one was very explicit. It said Tesla will build a sports car, then use that money to build an affordable car the model S and the model X then use that money to build an even more affordable car the Model 3 in the model Y and while doing that work on clean energy generation Tesla Hit that plan out of the park. Then came Master Plan Part Two and in that one, they said that they would work on solar roofs with integrated battery storage.

This one is a work in progress. I Guess solo roofs have really not worked for Tesla very much so far and I'm not sure that business line will ever really pick up then expand the electric vehicle lineup to address all major segments. Well, since part one, not much has really happened on that front. A Roadster was announced but is not coming and probably ever.

Cyber truck was announced they might be coming later this year. Maybe the Tesla semi was announced and a handful were delivered to Pepsi but the specs are still not public. You can go and buy one. Production data is not reported and Tesla will have to wait a few years until the Nevada Factory expansion is complete for any meaningful volume.

The compact car that Tesla was teasing in the run-up to University has not been announced. There was a throwaway comment in the presentation that this will be announced some other day as though that wasn't in any way relevant or important even though that was clearly teased in anticipation of the meeting. so still work to do on that part of the plan. Then we have developed a self-driving capability that is 10 times safer than manual and FSD is coming along nicely for Tesla.
For sure, they are the only ones developing this sort of self-driving software which isn't geofence that isn't based on HD maps of the physical objects in the streets, but we're still a long way away from genuine full self-driving capability that is is not a driver assist feature. Tesla is increasingly in hot water for over promising An FSD Tesla is now buried under a mountain of legal challenges pertaining to a self-driving Tech including a class action suit, over deceptive advertising, a Department of Justice criminal investigation, an investigation from California's Department of Motor Vehicles and endless Nitza probes. It recently transpired that an ad in 2016 was heavily doctored to show self-driving features that did not exist and it's easy to go and point fingers at Nicola Motors laugh at them pushing the truck down a hill while at the same time taking between six thousand dollars and fifteen thousand dollars for software that is persistently coming next year where ADS were showing features that did not exist and yet this neat update on Tesla was recently published in the Daily Upside. If you love reading unbiased opinion pieces written by industry professionals with a healthy dose of humor thrown in, you can also sign up to the Daily Upside who are the sponsors of today's video.

The Daily Upside is a completely free newsletter that sends you one email a day with all alcohol takes on the hottest Finance stories. You can read the whole thing while having a morning cup of coffee and it is 100 free. There is no premium membership, no upsell. All you have to do is give them your email using my link in the description and that's it.

You'll get super useful news in bite side chunks delivered to your inbox once a day in the morning. 650 000 investors including me I already signed up, so go ahead and click that link in the description or in the pin comment. and if for whatever reason you don't love it, you can always unsubscribe. So the last bit in part Two of Elon Musk's plan was enable your car to make money for you while you aren't using it.

That bit is nowhere near unless you're talking about letting people drive your Tesla on tour. So part one was very specific and achievable and Tesla smashed it out of the park. Part two was a bit more ambitious and a little more wishy-washy and Tesla is still years away from meaningfully completing on those objectives. And last night Elon Musk announced part three and part three is to switch the whole world to using sustainable energy.

And hey, I completely 100 wholeheartedly agree that this is a great ambition. It is a great long-term Target It is great that there are people working to do this. This is absolutely where the world has to go and based on Tesla's positioning, they will be one of the leaders pushing that agenda forward in the coming decades. and all all the Tesla Fanboys started drooling all over all these slides about how many terawatt hours of energy it would take and that this would only need 0.2 percent of the earth's land mass and that we have the Reserves of all the metals we need on the planet, blah blah blah.
It's important to remember that this was an investor Day presentation Tesla Said that this was a presentation for everyone, not just Tesla shareholders which this has sound great as a sort of sound bite, but as a Tesla shareholder and an investor, it is critical to separate your personal interest and Tesla's long-term Mission and a critical understanding of whether these announcements are good. For Tesla investors, it is incredibly important to take yourself out of the moment and understand that there is a massive difference between liking Tesla the company liking Tesla the product liking Tesla and what they stand for and what they're doing and at the same time trying to understand if this is good for Tesla The stock Tesla Talked a lot about a new architecture that will allow them to create and next generation card that will apparently cost half as much to make as the model Y which is amazing. Great, but no actual specifics were really given other than some pretty looking diagrams and stuff. When this might happen where it might happen exactly how is going to happen in which particular facilities this will be a fundamentally new way of manufacturing a car.

Instead of assembling all these different pieces, they're going to go and assemble giant chunks of the car and then put them together at the end to speed up the process. This will require a lot less need for factory space. This will be an enabler of making cars a lot more quickly. They have a new drivetrain that will have no Rare Earth minerals at all.

This is also amazing because nobody has been able to do this level of engineering. Then there was an announcement about switching to a 48 volt architecture, which apparently is also another major big step change in EV design. All these things are phenomenal, but remember that Tesla Announced the Cyber truck four years ago and production still has not started or as close. We're probably looking at the end of this year and best for the first cyber trucks rolling out of the Austin Factory and are longer than that for any meaningful scale production.

we've seen how it's taken Tesla way longer to ramp the 4680 cell production than they originally anticipated in the original plans. They were going to start producing mass-producing cars with a 4680 structural packs in the fall of 2021, and that obviously didn't happen. Innovation in Manufacturing is hard. Tesla is doing a lot better than many other companies.
a lot better than pretty much any other car company, but it is still hard. and whenever they do announce the Next Generation vehicle because they didn't last night, it will then take years for the first cars to roll off the first production. Lines By the way, in the presentation last night, Tesla did reiterate their Ambitions on making 20 million cars and a whole load of storage. But there was one important difference.

this time, the date of 2030 has now gone. it's just been deleted. It doesn't exist anymore because before today it was always 20 million cars by 2030. And everyone just parroted this as something that is out 100 going to happen.

If you don't believe it, you're just a hater. You're just saying stuff that you don't understand, you're a dumbass. And I've been saying for the last two or three quarters that Tesla's lack of new Factory announcements means that hitting 20 million cars by 2030 if that's becoming impossible. while everyone else was telling me that I'm an idiot and now suddenly the goal posts have shifted.

Miraculous I know because it takes a couple of years, even for Tesla who are doing it much faster than everybody else. It takes them a couple of years to go and build a factory from when they first start working on it, and then another couple of years for that factory to scale production. and you need a heck of a lot of factories to make 20 million cars a year, even if your production process is miles ahead of everybody else now. Three hours into this event, three hours into this event, at the start of the Q, a Elon Musk announced a new Factory that was already leaked by Mexican officials.

Probably the most significant announcement of the day is that we're excited to announce that we're going to be building a gigafactory in Mexico. The factory will be built near Monterey, but no specific dates were given at all. So presumably this new Factory is still in some kind of early planning phase. maybe three years at best from when production may start.

And here is the issue: as an investor, you do care about the long term. You do care about what the company is trying to achieve, but there's also the small element of a discount rate in company valuations. If you use a 10 discount rate which some might say is Conservative, then dollars that any company earns in 10 years time are worth 65 percent less in today's money. Evaluation: In 10 years, time is worth 65 Less In today's money, if you use a 12 and a half percent discount rate, those same dollars in 10 years are worth 74 less.

And there was a question in the Q A on when all of this Innovation is going to come Tesla Spent three hours talking about all of this amazing new tech. So is this being implemented this year? Maybe next year. Very exciting plans about the Uh, the Next Generation vehicle and powertrains and and batteries. I Was hoping you can maybe talk to us a little bit about the timeline for deploying this and it sounds like it's more than just a vehicle.
This is a kind of a paradigm change on how vehicles are assembled, how batteries are put together and everything. and does that also just get reconfigured into everything that you do. so the model wise that are being built here will be built very differently in the future. Maybe just give us some feel for what happens from here and what's the timeline for implementation? Well talk a little bit about that.

But um, broadly speaking, the most profound architectural changes will be in future. Vehicles Retooling a factory means bringing the factory down for an extended period of time and uh, that's that. Would prefer not to do that I Think so Tesla is not planning to upgrade the current model 3 Model y production lines to integrate the new manufacturing process because they would have then have to shut down the factory for months. So the first cars that will be maybe benefiting from these upgrades are waiting for new factories to be built because the existing facilities do not have space for major new production lines.

And so far we have one new Factory announced in Mexico last night. that is maybe three years away at best. and that's it. There's no new phases being built in Berlin No new phases being built in Shanghai no new phases being built in Austin At the end of the Q A there was another question asking about the new generation car and where maybe it was going to be built.

Thanks for taking the question I Have a few follow-ups on the next Gen vehicle. Um, First, when do you think we'll get a look at it? Maybe a prototype? Second, are there any details that you think you can share in terms of the the size, the content, the performance, and then the third? I Think you mentioned that you would produce it in other plants in addition to Mexico Should we take that to mean that you can launch it at an existing plant before you're finished constructing the new plant in Mexico I Think we'll actually have to probably decline that answer? Uh, we will have a proper sort of product event, but we would be jumping the gun if we were to answer your questions. maybe another question and again, the question was completely flat out ignored. An investor is asking a very pertinent a very important question based on what they've just been told and Tesla just didn't really want to say anything at all.

They didn't confirm the final specs in the Cyber truck either. And remember at the end of last year they were still saying the production of the Cyber truck will start in June. but I am guessing we're probably going to have some details in the final design and pricing if we were just three months out from the first. Cyber trucks literally rolling off the production line and being sold to customers.

Production in 23 in 2024 for Tesla is going to grow. There's no doubt about that because Giga Berlin and Giga Austin are continuing to ramp. So because they are such a low starting point, the total production volume for Tesla will grow this year. It's also going to grow substantially next year because they're still in the early stages of ramping right now.
But in the last earnings score Elon Musk Said the Giga Shanghai is at capacity and will not have any major output increases in the near term and Fremont is constrained. So while it's nice that we get shown pictures of Next Generation production Next Generation Powertrains, these will not be moving the needle on company performance for several years at all. And from 2025, the long-term goal of achieving 50 growth rates per year for Tesla will suddenly not be feasible unless something magical happens because Tesla doesn't have any new factories under construction to provide the extra capacity, the energy generation business, and the energy storage business will probably contribute somewhat, but the ramp there is nowhere near fast enough to provide that level of overall business growth. Growth in the long term is only valuable if it comes on the back of growth in the short and growth in the medium term.

If there is no growth for the next 10 years and growth only then starts in 10 years time, then for an investor, the stock perhaps doesn't look quite as interesting. Investors will be looking at their models and trying to understand where the growth is going to be coming from. In 2025, and in 2026, Tesla themselves said that they will need at least 12 car producing factories by 2030 to make those 20 million cars, and based on the current volumes of those 12 car, factories will have to have multiple phases as well. on average, and at the moment Tesla has four with one more announced in Mexico plus the small scale semi-production in three years maybe in Nevada.

Tesla's valuation is heavily based on a very aggressive rate of growth continuously over the next decade and Beyond and if that rate of growth slows meaningfully in 2025, because you know Elon Musk has been too busy saving the world buying Twitter to focus on building new factories and expanding the existing ones, that that may well become an actual issue. I Have a feeling that Tesla the company is going to do exceptionally well. The technology is astounding. They're clearly leaps ahead of any competition.

Their design is streets ahead of anyone else Manufacturing because but Tesla the stock is not the same thing as Tesla the company and even baking in a much slower rate of growth I still see a significant upside in the stock, hence why I am invested. but I will be lowering my personal expectations as I recently have been on growth after today and so will many other Wall Street analysts. and they won't be doing that because they are dumb because they don't get it because they don't understand the future bro. but because of very real issues that I just discussed.
And while these valuations may still be indicating the Tesla stock is undervalued, that the upside will continue reducing in those valuations until analysts start seeing indications that growth and the midterm is supported by concrete production announcements, concrete model announcements, concrete Factory build announcements, and concrete new phase building announcements. Remember to sign up for the daily upside using my link below is completely free and please do smash the like button for the YouTube algorithm if you found this video useful. Thank you so much for watching I Really appreciate it and as always I'll see you guys later.

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33 thoughts on “Bye bye tesla”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars KelelaSB says:

    Lots of people had way too high expectations. Yours were way too low, I guess. As a long investor I was very pleased with the long list of meaningfulβ€”despite not flashyβ€”insights shared.

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Fred 'O says:

    click bate channel with words like Bye bye, crashing, panic… comments from the sideline are easy..

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars MR THINQ says:

    All pipe dreams, just Tesla making better cars would be a start – the build quality sucks.

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars passdasalt says:

    I'll be happy with only 10+ million by 2030 because they will make insane profits on every one sold due to FSD.
    Then add the energy storage, the supercharger network, the insurance and heaven forbid, a Tesla bot! Eight times your money by 2030 is likely. Just as likely… the powers that be destroy Tesla and WW3 ruins your day completely.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Chinwart says:

    A lot of what you said makes sense and I agree. The dumbest thing you said was insinuating that the Wall Street analysts understand Tesla πŸ˜‚

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Walter Rumohr says:

    Your bias cause you don’t know much about Tesla future plans.

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Paul says:

    You remind me of a customer at my car wash who complains and threatens to discontinue his membership will go ahead. Nobody cares for every one person that cancels your membership. We got 40 to replace you same thing with people that don’t like Tesla and say it’s over Crimea river they got hundreds of people to replace your sorry little ass food do you like Tesla? You should move forward in life, not hold yourself back with gas cars.

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mark says:

    It's back up never look at stock for one day look for average

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Martin Day says:

    The Research firm Guidehouse Insights has just ranked the leading self-driving companies and Tesla was not listed in the top ten and with the companies split into Leaders, Contenders, Challengers and Followers, they had Tesla in the Followers category. ouch.

    Mobileye is not geo fenced and looks to exploit the advantage its many more cameras and radar offer, although Tesla and its fans may consider geo fenced solutions as not the holy grail, they are nevertheless the systems that are currently offering level 5 automation, while FSD is an advanced level 2.

    FSD has been misnamed from the get-go and the abilities constantly over promised, investors may even question why it needs to be pursued at all, especially as it was announced recently that all current Tesla will not be able to be retro-fitted with the next generation of FSD hardware.

    Waymo, Mobileye, Baldu and Cruise are considered by the report as the leaders.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Norman Y says:

    Is interesting that you assume the improvement they hightled will be only for the next gen car, but the fact is that they clearly outline a lot of those improvement and optimization (cost reduction) will go into current product. Like the new powertran, battery system, wiring system etc. It is more likely that those improvement will happen in the next model 3, and Y. If you're investor you need to look at those things in short term gain and long term effects. We're likely to see profit margin increase for both update 3 and Y within 2024. Unlike other OEM, Tesla doesn't wait for model year to improve the process in the factory floor.

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Finn Wheatley says:

    Good analysis!

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Liquid Nate says:

    Maybe TSLA will only reach $2,500 by 2024 instead of $5,000.

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Joel Skutch says:

    If you want to sell on Elon Musk, good luck with that

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars WJG GMT says:

    You buy TSLA because they make an increasing amount of cars with a fat ass profit. The growth story is just starting. Cost are going down and production is going up—way up—again with a super fact margin.

    I have no expectation of FSD being real prior to 2030. And without FSD, there are no RoboTaxis. Love Cathy, but this whole robotaxi thing is pie in the sky.

    CyberTruck should stooge pump the stock, but lets be real—it will probably be 2026 before they are truly at "scale".

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Benedict says:

    You talk about producing the 2nd roadster as if it’s as easy as… making a ranty click-bait YouTube video from your armchair.

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars dazednconfused says:

    what does this geek know?

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars geniegogo says:

    lol you'd think that even the most clueless Wallstreet type would get the idea that Tesla valuation does not correlate with the stock price, they don't need to understand, they should just figure out that when the stock dips that it's just a sale – unfortunately it's recovering too quickly from the dip yesterday. We need more naysayers to beat the drum to keep the price cheap. The regret is that it will rise too soon…

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars William Richter says:

    How have I not seen your channel before? Subscribed.

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Phillip Temple says:

    Torque news reporting ground breaking in Mexico in 3 months and Giga Mexico is 2x size of Giga Austin.

    Phillip.

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Phillip Temple says:

    It says on the slide next generation vehicles in Mexico. They are starting construction on it this year, and historically they build the factory in 1 year. Let's say 2 years to ramp so it will be late 2025 before the Model 2 starts rolling out in great numbers. Can Tesla keep 50% growth until then? Probably, even without Cybertruck, as Berlin and Austin still have a lot of ramping up to do.

    He did reply to the 3 point question which he 'ignored'. There will be a dedicated product announcement close to the time. ie we don't want to tank the sales of Y and 3 with everybody cancelling to wait for a car half the price with all the same features. They are going to build the factory, get the machinery in, and as close to actual production as possible before they have to let the cat out of the bag. Who would expect otherwise?

    Great presentation jam packed full of information. One thing I don't see mentioned here or anywhere else is the way they track their suppliers, and also the suppliers of their suppliers. If they predict one of their Tier 1 suppliers is going to struggle they will pro-actively go in and help that company to ensure they don't hit any constraints for their supplies to Telsa. That is supply chain management in micro detail.

    Phillip.

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Robert Saunders says:

    Sasha, you're so wrong and, for a change, your anti Investor Day arguments are pretty putrid. You'd rather Musk and co played the standard Wall Street game despite their unbelievable success by exactly not playing that game? I'll continue to appreciate your output but you should save your rants for more appropriate targets else you start to sound like Laurence Olivier playing King Lear with hysteria turned to 11 for way too long.

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars The Green Xeno says:

    It was named Investor Day. Investors have been anticipating this for half a year. The presentation was clearly not made for investors. It was boring because most of what they talked about was already known.

    Cheaper drive train. Optimus is progressing. New plant in Mexico. Scale enables cheaper vehicles and infinite PP.

    Tesla needs a media team.

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Keilder says:

    Not what I was hoping for, but the analysis and logic is inescapable. Can't just snap your fingers and have multiple giga factories appear, running at full capacity. Anyone who still thinks 20 million vehicles by 2030 is achievable, please explain how that will happen.

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Joe Larrarte says:

    To be fair… It was an INVESTOR day presentation – NOT a product launch day. They will come in due course…

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Iain McCallum says:

    Sasha – you have the best Tesla fanboy channel on YouTube

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars TP G says:

    Still dumbfounded Elon chose to spend $44bn on Twitter instead of 10 more Gigafactories.

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Aivern Tan says:

    Great points and breakdown. Appreciate it! U got quite a lot of fanboys in your comments eh haha

  28. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Walden says:

    I don't like channels that uses click bait titles. I'm just going to block your channel from now on. Bye bye Sasha.

  29. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Shane Bingley says:

    Good video Sasha, but some points:

    on new factories, they are expanding existing sites, having recently cleared land to roughly a further 3 x factory imprint in Berlin, GigaNevada expansion and also Texas has likely huge capacity/growth un tapped, as is by far the biggest factory, yet output is relatively tiny.

    Timeframes for new factories have been less than 3 years also, so would expect Mexico to come on line sooner.

    Maybe Tesla should have flagged there would be no product announcement ahead of the day to keep the hot heads happy, but for me this was an amazing event – which has got to be seen in the light of what it was – long term strategy.

  30. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars MrTongMan says:

    As a seasoned Tesla investor I knew that the stock would drop because it did it in the past presentation as well (ie: Cybertruck unveil and battery day)
    For those that looked closely, there was plenty of new stuff they presented.

    There’s news that Tom Zhu is pushing for Giga Mexico build out to be faster than Giga Shanghai (took 9 months) which means it could finish end of 2024.

    With Giga Mexico πŸ‡²πŸ‡½ starting soon (as early as 3 months from now) I wouldn’t be surprised if they do next Gen product unveiling this year (model 2). Let’s go πŸš€

  31. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mr C says:

    So they should announce a $25k car and Osborne their M3 and MY sales?

  32. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars ID10T says:

    I thought they did a wonderful job of coordinating all those dark t-shirts for those appearing on stage. I wonder if they all got the memo over niTwitter.

  33. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Johnny10gunz says:

    Good video Sasha, Tesla is the biggest position in my portfolio I also have a tiny position in polestar (psny). I'm the first to admit it's not a Tesla killer but hoping it will sit at the table one day with other EV manufacturers. I was wondering if you could make a short video of your thoughts on the business? I know it may not boost your YT viewers but a slight deviation on this company would be interesting to watch.

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