The SEC wont crack down on Payment for Order flow (PFOF), but why? the founder of interactive investors explains that Citadel would likely just buy robinhood and continue to pass all of the transactions through the dark pool.
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Thomas Peterffy, founder of Interactive Brokers, believes that Citadel and Virtu would just buy robinhood/Charles Schwab/TD ameritrade/E* Trade if the SEC outlawed the use of PFOF (payment for order flow).
Effectively it would be the same as JP Morgan's sales department communicating internally with the trading department.
PFOF has been around in some form for over 200 years.
This is why we need the SEC to focus on the abuse in the dark pools.
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32 thoughts on “Wtf! πŸ”₯ sec wont stop payment for order flow?! πŸ”₯ – amc stock short squeeze update”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars I Buy Short! says:

    Interactive data tells market makers what and when amount of an order so they can arbitrage the deals the ln fills you red at a profitable rate … how by the data they collect when u press these tabs and confirm a trade

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Blindspot Spotter says:

    It's not the PFOF that's problematic. The problem is what the hedgies do with the order flow once they get it.
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  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Drew Kirkbride says:

    The transition away from brokerages that get PfOF is happening, this only came out in DD a while back. Everyone is getting more clued up about how to operate, it will take time. Stay cool.

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars LifesACap says:

    one of the questions when signing up to a broker account is if youre related to someone in the market… i wonder why they ask that. hmmm.. idc if PFOF was around when jesus was around… that shit is bs. Especially when youre doing illegal conflict of interest activities to manipulate the market. All of these fake ass interviews between two people in the industry is straight bs to diluted the truth. F*** this system. Im buying more shares monday f them.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars pringleton says:

    Know you're pretty busy enough but I keep hearing people suggesting that after we get our tendies we should look to invest in gold/precious metals but perhaps a video on how to do that? The danger perhaps of apes investing in gold mining or other related companies rather than the metal itself- obviously I've particular interest in UK based info- thanks!

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Sakyosha says:

    All these rules are going to be set on us, the retail investor. The SEC doesn't care about us, nor what's going on.

    Just wait until the bank runs start, and the little guys all yank their money out of the financial system.

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars psulse says:

    So if they will not stop it…do it yourself. I updated my TDA account so I can bypass PFOF. I also opened a Fidelity account.

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Casey Lew says:

    Screw Webull. Stop advertising it. How freakin selfish are you dude???
    What are you THINKING?!?

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ryd Jah Bike says:

    Citadel is going to short Robinhood stock down to the single digits, and then they will buy Robinhood outright. And then they will take Robinhood private

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Irwin Hollis says:

    Wallstreet is rigged against the retail investor. After the AMC play is over I'm out. Unless the system is completely overhauled, and not just meaningless rules changed, I see retail investors continuing to be playing on a slanted field. The retail investor is prey in the current market and meaningful changes are needed. I would be a fool to take any gains from AMC and put back into the market under the current corrupt market!

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars TK Shade says:

    I mentioned in the past, "The SEC is not going to do anything." Very Powerful people are calling in favors and telling the SEC, they will pay the fines (which never really hurt the companies). Congress is blowing smoke! Congress may do something once the AMC situation ends, but until the apes win or lose, Congress is not going to do anything! You don't bite the hand that pumps money into your campaign.

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Gwsv says:

    if the UK can ban PFOF, im sure america can do it….. with a lot more pressure.

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Candice Morrison says:

    You need to look more closely into the ones who say they don't do pfof because some of them do your orders there they just don't get paid from the citadel and virtues

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Excaliber SC says:

    Sorry, Not buying Robin Hood! And Nope, I am not selling AMC! Sorry Hedgey it's not going to work!

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tony Steel says:

    This guy can say what he wants; he’s a part of the system! Several countries have banned the practice of payment-for-order-flow, and they’re operating just fine.

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars john matoes says:

    So I've been wondering if all apes transfer there shares from platforms with pfof and went to ones that deal directly with the nyse I would think the share price would rise but what happens to people who hold shares that are synthetic once all real shares are gone? There is only a bit over 501 million real shares I guessing were over that amount

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Alex Sanchez says:

    Lmfao just got they don’t take payment doesn’t mean they won’t route your orders thru citadel

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Brandon Burrow says:

    I think about it Robin Hood owns 9 billion synthetic shares of AMC the brother of NTCC is a top person at Citadel

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Brandon Burrow says:

    Of course they won’t if they stop payment for order flow Citadel connect will buy all the mobile app trading companies that act like a casino Robinhood Bubba coinbase they all use the dog pool and they make money off of us

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars hansheapau ma says:

    SEC has focused on the nitty gritty problem. Dark pool is the real problem. All illegal trades start there.

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Dalton says:

    Here's the problem I see. We're asking a conservative older man about how to change the future. If you want to make change, ask the younger generation how to better use technology. I'm by no means the "younger generation", but here's my take. Get rid of Market Makers in favor of a centralized blockchain system. Problem solved. You'll have a traceable way to abolish corruption, and instant stats. No more T-2, T-35, etc.

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ric Roc says:

    You cannot negotiate with hyenas..
    I guess sec should give us options..let the retailers chose whom they want do business with..
    How the hedgies going respect sec and sec looks like a joke…the disrespect itself..id was sec would let open the flood gates..we swallow them and then afterwards you see how hedgies going behave..
    If you wefe hedgie would do same..why coz you if shit happens the govt will come help you….at expense of millions of people ..

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jarrett Porst says:

    This government will do anything it wants regardless of rules or laws. Stand strong Republic! Buy the dip, I'm on my 14th, hold, win, repeat.

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars xiaofeng z says:

    This is like the car sales man going to ask his manager about the price of the car. It's scummy, but perfectly legit.

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars mike katona says:

    I'm not trying to burst the bubble..but the corruption is too deep. I don't believe we will see anything over $60. Or they shut the country back down and AMC is done. I'm hoping my shares but I have no faith in justice. The good guys get screwed in this evil world now.

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Conspirator of Plots says:

    Exactly right, BUT what if WE had majority shares in Robinhood and we vote against citadel buying them or merging, vote to fire their current CEO etc..if they get it it becomes a nuisance but if we get Robinhood we take their Queen. That's why I been pushing this with my team all day.

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars PutUp365 says:

    I subscribed, don't usually watch you much but I will start. I'm an AMC 610 share diamond handed ape.

  28. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Carlos Williams says:

    So this can be legal ? It’s weird and I’m
    Done with the stock market if so!

  29. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Kyubi Kid says:

    Can anyone help answer the this question for me. If I already have and are holding my shares in another brokerage, does transferring to fidelity do anything for the cause? I have TD. I don’t have extra money right now so I’m strictly hodling

  30. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Frank Woodson says:

    They could shut down the dark pool access! There is a huge conflict of interest allowing HF . Large orders can be processed separately at the exchange

  31. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jarrett Porst says:

    Question, if Blackrock, Vanguard, the Hedges, sell off 40,000,000 shares to tank the price, this doesn't mean the squeeze occurred right. Only tactics to lower the price drastically to trigger the weak to sell off their stock? Thoughts?

  32. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Thomas James - Investing says:

    What do you think about the SEC not cracking down on PFOF? Do you think Citadel would buy one of the large trading platforms if they had to?

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