Hedge funds are secretive institutions which who use complex strategies in an attempt to make high investment returns. Many people think hedge funds unfairly manipulate markets against retail investors. But the biggest secret of the hedge fund industry is that they consistently underperform passive market indices and a for the most part a massive waste of money.
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What's up guys and welcome back to wall street millennial on this channel, we cover everything related to stocks and investing the gamestop fiasco earlier this year has caused many people to think that the financial markets are rigged by the establishment and hedge funds against individual investors. They hired dozens of accomplished industry professionals and invest hundreds of millions of dollars in proprietary data. The top hedge fund managers have turned themselves into billionaires from the fees that they charge to their investors. Their clients consist of billionaires and large institutions with large sums of money to invest in general.

Individual investors cannot participate in the performance of hedge funds, but the biggest secret the hedge funds want to keep from. You is that you're far better off investing in passive index funds than giving them your money. Over the past decade, hedge funds have consistently underperformed the s p 500. A monkey throwing darts at the financial pages of a newspaper would have outperformed most of the so-called experts.

At hedge funds, the swiss bank credit suisse keeps track of the performance of all hedge funds in their hedge fund index. Since 1994, hedge funds have returned a compound annual return of 6.7 percent compared to the s p. 500 return of 10. This means that a 100 investment into the s p in 1994 would have grown to 1 500, while a 100 investment into hedge funds would have grown to 600, which is less than half.

So if you had chosen the simplest investment strategy possible of just buying the passive index, you would have far outperformed the hedge funds. Many hedge funds use complicated strategies which are supposedly less risky than investing in passive stock market indices. This can explain some of their underperformance, but there's an interesting observation to be made before the global financial crisis of 2008. The hedge funds actually did okay about matching the performance of the s p 500 on a risk-adjusted basis.

Their returns were superior to the market, but during the post-crisis recovery, the hedge funds, massively underperformed. During this period, the hedge fund index has roughly doubled, while the s p 500 has almost 10x. If you had reinvested the dividends. There are three main reasons: the performance of hedge funds has lagged the passive indexes, and this will probably get even worse for them going forward in the past.

Financial information was not widely available to individual investors. If you didn't have a bloomberg terminal, it was almost impossible to get up-to-date information about stocks and companies. Since the hedge funds had superior information, they could consistently profit by trading against retail investors, but over the past decade the internet has democratized finance substantially. Now any investor can do their own research online.

Just by reading companies, sec filings and following the financial media, the so-called dumb money of retail investors isn't as dumb as it used to be. Also, hedge funds have more competition with each other during the 2000s, when hedge funds were outperforming the market and making billions of dollars, everyone on wall street wanted to get a piece of the action. The number of hedge funds rapidly grew, and there are now more hedge funds than there are stocks on the major u.s exchanges. This causes many positions to get crowded and reduces the amount of profits each hedge fund can make.
It can also lead to situations like gamestop when there are too many hedge funds shorting the same stock. The second problem with hedge funds is that many become victims of their own success. After a hedge fund has good performance for a few years. This will attract more investors.

The hedge funds gladly take on the money because they want to increase their assets under management and bust their fees. Let's say: you're a hedge fund managing 10 billion dollars. You do some research and think that macy's is undervalued as just a random example. You want to initiate a position in macy's stock worth five percent of your portfolio or 500 million dollars.

This seems like it should be fine, as the company has a market cap in excess of six billion dollars on an average day, macy's trades between 10 and 15 million shares per day, based on its current share price. This is roughly 300 million dollars worth of trading volume per day. If you want to buy 500 million dollars worth of macy's stock, you alone would count for more than one hundred percent of the daily trading volume. If the stock is twenty one dollars, when you start buying, you'd, probably jack it up to twenty two or twenty three dollars at least purely based on the lack of liquidity, instead of buying 500 million dollars in one day, you'd probably have to buy 50 million per Day for 10 days to build up the position, this significantly decreases your flexibility, trade, around earnings, releases or other important events.

The biggest real world example of this problem is warren buffett, while berkshire hathaway isn't a hedge fund, it buys and sells stocks in a similar manner to a hedge fund. Berkshire manages hundreds of billions of dollars and they massively move the market whenever they enter or exit a position. Large hedge funds can lose one or two percentage points on slippage. Every time they enter or exit a position.

Imagine if you had to pay a 2 fee. Every time you traded on your personal brokerage account, this would make any type of active trading strategy infeasible in the u.s. Almost all retail brokerages charge no commissions on stock trades. Hedge funds use investment banks to execute their trades.

These institutional brokers charge significant fees, but the most important reason for hedge fund underperformance is their excessive fees. They typically use the 2 and 20 fee structure. This means they charge a flat 2 fee of assets under management plus 20 of any gains if they lose money. In a year they will still take the 2 flat fee, while the 2 and 20 structure is common industry practice.
Some hedge funds have fee structures which are even more onerous and complex. If the s p 500 returns 10 in a year, the hedge fund would have to make 15 returns just to match that after fees and what's even more crazy, is that all hedge funds are required to disclose their positions every quarter. They don't have to disclose short positions and there is a delay of a few weeks, but for many hedge funds, it's a viable strategy to copy their trades and not pay any fees. For example, one of the most famous and successful hedge fund managers today is bill.

Ackman his hedge fund pershing square, manages about 13 billion dollars. He buys stocks which he thinks are undervalued and rarely goes short he's a long-term investor. With most of his positions being held for multiple years. His longest standing position is restaurant brands, international, the parent company of burger king tim, hortons and popeyes.

It's done pretty well in this period, increasing 77 percent plus dividends, but pershing square charges, a 1.5 annual management fee plus 20 of gains each year. If you were an investor in pershing square, the flat management fee alone would have cost you about 10 percent and performance fees would have cost you far in excess of 20 because of how they compound each year. So for the 77 gain in the stock price. You'd, probably only get about half of that net of fees.

If you just looked at purchasing square's sec filings and copied the position yourself, you would have gotten pretty much the full 77 percent. Some hedge funds have very short holding periods, so you can't replicate them by the time their sec filings are released, they've, probably already exited most of their positions, but for a long-term investor like bill ackman, it's pretty insane that anybody is paying him such high fees when His holdings are publicly available for free and it's not just bill ackman. There are hundreds of similar hedge funds who have long holding periods and charge very high fees, and the investors of these hedge funds are billionaires or institutional investors. They are supposed to be sophisticated.

They're often investing hundreds of millions of dollars into these hedge funds and paying tens of millions of dollars worth of fees. They could just hire one person to read the hedge fund's sec filings every quarter and make a copycat portfolio. You could even hire this person part time because they only have to work for one day each quarter, so this would only cost them a few hundred dollars a year. But inexplicably many so-called sophisticated investors continue to park billions of dollars into these types of hedge funds and pay hundreds of millions of dollars in fees.
These hedge funds invest tens of millions of dollars in research in hiring investment professionals by reading their publicly disclosed holdings. You are effectively getting all this research for free. You can find all hedge fund filings on the edgar database on the sec website. You can also look at free websites such as whalewisdom.com, which have a simpler user interface.

Most hedge funds fail to beat the market for the few that do beat the market. Most of those gains are eaten up by fees anyway, you're, probably better off, just owning a passive index fund or doing your own research to pick stocks yourself. This way, you at least don't have to pay fees, alright, guys that wraps it up for this video. What do you think about hedge funds? Let us know in the comments section below, as always.

Thank you so much for watching and we'll see in the next one wall, street millennial signing out.

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32 thoughts on “Why the hedge fund industry is a complete joke”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Brandon Nel says:

    Hedge funds isn't there to outperform the s&p500 . They are supposed to be in your portfolio to be a hedge during times of extreme volatility.If they were to outperform the market then they should be called OUTPERFORMING FUND.They basically should reduce exposure and risk to the market.

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars TuEIite says:

    Mixed opinion on this video, it can be quite out of context, i.e. it's not most hedge funds mandate to 'outperform' a benchmark such as the S&P500.
    Uncorrelated and low beta returns >>>

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Greg Ewing says:

    Old school Hedge funds.. Was suppose to be a well, a Hedge. ie something that shifts the type of risk your investment is exposed to, limiting total exposure to particular types of loss. But nowadays they are just a high fee investment thing.

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars garga farg says:

    To be honest, looking at that graph makes me think of the 1920's. The stock market will only ever keep going up, so make sure to invest your money in it, even without a solid understanding of how it works. Nothing could possibly go wrong…

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars noturmom says:

    ackman never goes short…unless he's gonna go on cnbc and trash talk the stock and tell you it's going to 0

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars P M says:

    Hedgefunds have a different risk profile and a comparison to equity risk is nonsense

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Rocket89 says:

    You say yourself that the hedge funds have “a few” (6, it’s 6) weeks to file their quarterly long equity (only) (aka no currency, crypto, bonds, futures, long and short) positions, meaning in that 6 weeks the positions have likely changed, and then you argue that they could just hire some schmuck part time to read those month and a half old filings and try to mimic their returns? 🤦🏻‍♂️

    The hell am I missing here lol

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Rocket89 says:

    Survivorship bias. Look back bias. Man there are tons of fallacies riddled in this video (these types of videos).

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars HoozzURdaddy says:

    Tell me Michael Burry's hedgefund was not worth his fees in 2008….

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars gilgamesh310 says:

    Bill Gates has his own hedge fund company. I doubt he has to pay fees.

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Alex says:

    Yeah I came to that conclusion when I first started investing. Unless they're doing something outright illegal, they're working off the same information any retail investor is working off of. Retail investors have the added advantage of being "closer to the ground" and are able to spot market trends before they even reach the ears of hedge fund runners.

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Marielle Wilson says:

    It’s important to remember that no investment strategy is likely to produce market-beating returns year after year and none are immune from the risk of losing money.

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars O Leung says:

    Ah right. So easy for regular investors to buy CDS contracts to hedge their portfolio at the start of the pandemic, just like Pershing Square did right? For the most part, I definitely agree with the general sentiment of Buffett that you're better off just buying the index, but the way you've presented your argument is pretty disingenuous; especially after what we've seen over the last year and a half.

    I laughed at how large the performance fee Pershing charged last financial year, but that was because of how large the pay-off was for the hedge they bought. At the end of the day, you're paying a premium for the skill of the fund manager, which inevitably varies considerably in the industry. At the end of 2020, Pershing gained about 50% more in returns than the S&P500, thanks in large part to their hedge. Even if you somehow managed to copy that trade the following quarter, you would have missed that boat completely. On top of that, from what Ackman has stated about that trade, the carry cost of that hedge would've crushed you if you did not close that position relatively soon.

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jack-o-Trades says:

    This video is stupid. Go buy their filings and you won’t make shit off it

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars rishi raj says:

    The title of this video is absolutely crap, but the content is pretty good however it is overstated, there are hedge funds who are continuously beating market returns.

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Sokol Mihajlovic says:

    Well done.
    Fraud is inherent in the system.
    20%/2% typical fee structure
    1. The 2% is an outright thelft, because you pay sth. without getting sth. in return.
    2. The 20% has to be paid, when there is a gain or outperformance.
    But will you get sth., when there is a loss or underperformance, f.e. 20% cashback?
    Oh no,no,no. You get nothing. Onesided deal.
    That is like a casino game, where sb. plays and puts bets on the table using your money.
    When they are lucky, the dice rolls in their bet, they get 20% of the gain. When they are wrong, you have to bear 100% of the losses.
    Plus the regular stealing of 2% on top, obviously.

    How can anybody in his right mind, ever put even a dime in such a fraud?
    Cant get it, how can people be so stupid???
    The amount the hedgefund managers (dozens billions) earn, is equal to the amount of stupidity the private investors have (dumbheads).

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ivo Ridgeway says:

    I think that’s the point. Get in and get out. Make your money and cash out. It doesn’t matter how you get it, just get it!

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ignacio Paz García says:

    If you have 50M-100M$ the first thing you want is to maintain your money right? And if you can make profits in the meanwhile even better. Hedge funds exist for that.

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Retrominimalist says:

    How's investing in passive index funds a better idea than active management during a black swan event with the market 30% down? What are you even talking about? How can one recover from such drop after 10-20 years of investing? Do you even follow the market?

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jonathan2342 says:

    I maintain that Index funds should be the only investment that most people have in their retirement accounts. that and, if the banks advertise it, stay away as it most likely benefits them most.

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars munib1000 says:

    Hedge funds were created to hedge the market, in the last financial crash when SPY took hammering hedge funds weathered the storm a little well – Not great for being in that industry.

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars James Odell says:

    Most hedge funds should be called speculation funds since they do very little hedging and take on a lot of risk.

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars WelfareChrist says:

    It’s always been funny to me that ALADDIN has more AUM than all the top hedges put together. I’m not convinced Aladdin isn’t just using the idea of a supercomputer as a cover for blatant insider trading either.

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars M Power says:

    With bonds returning 0, an uncorrelated or negatively correlated stream of returns with low volatility and a positive carry is worth a lot, even if said returns are lower then the market… if you dont understand that statement or the math behind it I would suggest you read on modern portfolio theory. It gives a framework for portfolio allocation and is consistent with the efficient market theory.

    This video misses all of that… people have valid reasons to invest in hedge funds.. Not all hedge funds investors are stupid and should only invest in spy…

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars DumbledoreMcCracken says:

    Hedge funds claim two impossible skills: 1) being able to guess how a company will do in the future with no insider information, and 2) being able to guess, given their guess of how a company will do in the future, how much the stock price will move in the future.
    This is a classical fool's errand

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Bill Lumbergh says:

    Hedge funds are also not an uniform group. Some have lackluster performance while others (often private) have excellent performance. It's like saying "stocks only return 10% over time, that's a poor return" when knowing all companies are not equal performers.

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tom J says:

    If you readjust your portfolio to match Ackman, Buffet, or any investors every quarter in line with their 13F filing with the SEC, you are never going to match their returns.

  28. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars J B says:

    That'd false. Any individual who meets the income requirements can join the fund. Many don't meet the minimum income requirements- making them appear exclusive.

  29. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars liyexiang66 says:

    performance is a poor way to compare funds. 1.most of them r not just in stocks 2.some of them r so called "absolute return" which never promised their investor to outperform, but to make money no matter what.

  30. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars liyexiang66 says:

    trade around earning? how? buy after good earning release, sell after bad one? terrible way to donate

  31. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Rajesh Pandey says:

    Why don't people just copy hedge funds ? Welcome to taxes. Hedge funds are more about accounting then investing. Their main goal is to make stable returns and NOT pay taxes on it

  32. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars alansmith888 says:

    Let’s face it, if you’re a multi millionaire, you’re not exactly going to deposit 500m into Robinhood to trade yourself lol.

    That’s why hedge funds and similar financial institutions have their uses.

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