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Hey this is tom and in case you're following the evergreen story, i'm sure today, you're feeling extremely confused, because this is actually getting out of hand. On the one hand, you read the wall street journal and in that article they tell you that the government in china instructed local government to brace for impact, if ever again, actually fails, basically telling them hey we're, not bailing out evergreen. On the other hand, we know that today is the deadline for the dollar denominated payment. They have to do 83 million.

Also, if you take a look at the stock price, it actually went up today by 18 in a single day on the eve of this coupon. So what the hell is going on and how these three pieces of information can actually coexist, which they can, i assure you they can makes perfect sense, but mainstream media is just too lazy to do their job and actually connect the dots. It's very simple: it's going to be a three-minute video check this out. So on the one hand we have the chinese government essentially leaking information, letting everybody know that they've instructed the local government to brace for impact.

Now what the hell does that even mean? What kind of bracing for impact the local government can do in china? Can you understand how things work in china? The local government pretty much asked the central government what to do when they go to the toilet? It's not a system that basically it works independently, so that kind of instruction means nothing. It means jack unless you're, trying to tell everybody how you're not bailing out these rich bankers that screwed up, which is exactly what they're doing here, which goes exactly. According to my prediction from two three four days ago, which is china is going to play the game, basically saying: hey we're not bailing out evergreen we're not bailing them out and whenever somebody tells you something categorically about themselves, it's usually the opposite, so check this out. On the other hand, we know that today, thursday, is the deadline for the dollar coupon, that's the big one.

We know that they've settled the yuan coupon and that's a question how exactly they settled that they haven't told us that they repaid it. They just told us, the bankers in china actually worked out an agreement, which is also something i told you about. There's going to be pressure from the chinese government on the chinese banks to give them a little bit more time, which is exactly what happened with the local yuan denominated the bonds which basically went away for a while. So now we're faced today with the deadline.

83 million dollars and if they miss it, they're basically screwed and all of us are screwed wrong. Now check this out. Why did the stock price went up today? You know there's a reason for that. People are not idiots.

The reason is because the deadline today is completely fake. It means nothing now, i'm gon na tell you in a second why, but even if it was real, it's not a huge deal, which i explained in my two previous videos, which you can go check out. I'm gon na put the links below in the description, so today's deadline is meaningless. Imagine you're buying an apartment right and in the apartment you have an agreement.
Basically, when you have to vacate the premises or when you have to accept the premises, if you're the buyer and in every agreement like that there's a grace period, eventually, somebody will run into problems and they'll need some more time to basically evacuate the premises and give You, the keys, you know, happens and usually it's a week, two weeks, three weeks, the same thing same grace periods are very customary and lending there's a lot of variables. A lot of unknowns nobody's gon na penalize you if you miss a payment by a day or two now in the case of evergrand, they have a 30-day grace before any triggering of any penalties now check this out. This is really interesting, so shout out to patrick boyle, if you're not yet subscribed the best underrated channel on youtube. My favorite go and check him out.

He says that evergreen are probably going to default on purpose on the 83 million, because there's no consequences, there's no penalties. It literally is meaningless. It's completely declarative, there's no operational, there's no triggering of anything. So basically, what patrick explained to me - and i tend to agree with him - is that he thinks that they're gon na default today just to keep the cash for another 30 days, because cash on hand is definitely more valuable than repaying a coupon early, because for them It's early now that means that the deadline is not really today, and that is exactly why you saw the spike.

The 18 is because there's informational arbitrage, certain people, certain investors - didn't understand that thought that today would be the deadline sold out and a lot of other investors actually took the opportunity. But if you're watching my videos, you know that we're talking about this. For a long time for a whole week, basically saying that this whole thing is fun i'll explain why now, i'm not a fan of chinese stocks, not even by a long shot, but what i explained to you in my previous videos is that this company, even if They eventually default on this is completely meaningless and i'll explain why so because they hold real estate. What you have here is a very close circuit situation in real estate.

The most important thing for a company is trust if they lose trust by the people who finance them they're pretty much screwed, because it's a cash intensive business. You need a lot of cash to raise these infrastructure projects, so you need a lot of debt and if the bankers become antsy - and they think that you have issues on the first sign of weakness, they're going to cut you off essentially creating a snowball effect, a Self-Fulfilling prophecy of failure, so that is why you can't seem weak, and if this would have happened in any western country, i guarantee you that evergrand or their competitor is from the west would never have gotten a single dollar, because this is in china. It's a whole different story, because the chinese government literally controls the chinese bank, so they can control the enforcement of these clauses. These provisions and what the chinese government can do here is basically go to the banks and say well give them more grace give them time because in real estate the only thing you need is time if you're in deep, because real estate has actual value.
It's not like securities, it's not like options. It's not like derivatives. If they actually manage to finish these buildings, they're going to be able to sell them, maybe at a discount, maybe not a great price, but they have value and there's going to be a lot of cash flow coming in once they actually finish these projects, which means Most of these debts will be repaid as long as they're giving enough time and enough cash to finish the projects. Now this will happen in china.

In my opinion, because of the way the banking system is there just basically to execute the policy of the chinese government. So i don't see any failure in this company, even if they default on the 30 day, which i still don't know, maybe they will maybe they won't but here's my theory as long as the chinese government plays this double game. On the one hand, saying we're not bailing them out, on the other hand, pressuring chinese banks to give them time money and leeway to finish these projects. I think that is more likely than not that, with the next 30 days, there's going to be a lot of money flowing indirectly from these banks into evergrand in order to help them cover the 483 million debt.

Just my theory, but this is what i think is going to happen now eventually, as i mentioned this before once this whole saga goes away. I think the chinese government will take a massive uppercut into this company, completely breaking down into a million different pieces. So this never happens again but, as i mentioned before, this 18 spike that we saw today is just a manifestation of the same things. I told you yesterday and two days ago.

This whole evergreen story is blown out of proportion. It's all fud and it's coming for me, not a china stock fan, not a china economy, fan and they're lucky it's real estate, because if this was securities or derivatives or debt, my goodness this would have been a shitstorm. But this is easy real estate. All you need is time and patience which the chinese government will quietly provide for them to finish this out.

So complete known story, there's another 30 days even for the next fudd, and if you think otherwise, let me know below just keep it respectful. You know don't talk about my grandpa, he gets annoyed. He reads all the comments. I'll see you tomorrow,.
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34 thoughts on “They keep lying to you about evergrande”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars FredoFreedom says:

    Lot of the new homes are falling apart almost immediately after they were built. There were a couple of youtubers traveling around china showing how the new homes were built from cardboard and styrofoam falling apart and purely speculative not liveable. Who will buy these? How long will it take to demolish and rebuild correctly?

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Real Estate Media News Network says:

    Thanks for sharing your great insight!! I have enjoyed your videos for over a year now!! Keep up your great work and putting things into perspective. It's only money after all!! LOL

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars CYBRCDZEN says:

    Besides the jokes and and humor which is always funny. Thanks tn for solid information as always.

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Goce says:

    Time to SELL those trillions of US Treasury bonds and save EverGrande

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ninjafisk Arn says:

    Can you talk about the Polestar spac (goren guggenheimer)?

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Sov Ciel says:

    If you digged, do you wonder if you'll find banks selling REITs with evergrande in it?

    That may be the way they want to pay for this.

    This is my guess.

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars bb itsme says:

    The second largest stockholder of Evergrande is dumping all his shares. Of course, some good news have to come out so that he can get a better price for his sale. It's that simple.

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Paul Schneider says:

    Nothing will happen for a while. Then a crash out of the blue. Black swan will surprise

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Logos Nomos says:

    Most CCP run corporations are Ponzi schemes what benefit the top echelons. Begging the CCP to help something that the CCP themselves benefited the most to help is incredibly ironic. Yet, it is no surprise if you are brainwashed into believing that the government (CCP) is the savior for all your problems. They create the problem and are therefore expected to be the solution.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Chih Chang says:

    so China will bail out Evergrande by forcing the financial sector to take the L for a while. Until some developments are finished, in which case, the financial banks will probably take another L when Evergrande sell at a loss. I wonder what impact this has on the insurance sector or for the derivative traders

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars DiscreetBtm xxx says:

    AMC, Evergrande and Huawei’s release returning to Shenzhen where Evergrande’s headquarter is – any relationship?

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Glen Rossiter says:

    Do you think foreign investors were the ones panic-selling near the date and Chinese investors were the ones buying up the shares? All orchestrated by the CCP in order to keep Chinese money on Chinese soil?

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Robert Baird says:

    Could It be
    Evergrande was a financial IED from day 1! They built billion dollar "ghosttowns" & then demolished them? This appears to be a switch from fiat to cryptocurrency (Chinacoin, XiCoin). Then take out the world's economy during the transition for self-preservation.

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Cioc Razvan says:

    Voice is too distorted. You usually bark funny, but now it is so strange.

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars DJ Deckard Cain says:

    β€œPeople aren’t idiots…”

    Looks around at all the people who don’t own Tesla stock.

    β€œI’d like to challenge this claim….”

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Iliveintherealworld says:

    Hello Tom's grandpa. Be proud of your grandson. He talks truth and there is great honor in speaking the truth.

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Crom40 says:

    What is it so funny? how many times did the US bail their local companies when Lehmann Brothers went bankrupt? I think it is common sense to bail the company that would cause a big wave.

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jonathan says:

    Evergrande is going down. But the government will control the fall. So, they are done and will be Nationalised, Directors maybe even charged, as an example to the "people" to be clear, what a good corporation is and what a bad corporation is. Probably split up, and run regionally as a "National House/apartment Provider". So, yep stay away from it unless you love risk, this is gonna drag on until the Gov. have it locked down.

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars tolikfox007 says:

    Lets not act like US govt dont control the major banks. The gov pretty much forced JP Morgan to buy Bear Stearns during the '08 Fin crisis

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars 2pongz says:

    Is there a 3x leveraged Chinese ETF we can yolo soon when the smoke settles?

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Noah Schmartz says:

    these lot cudnt pay their workers when things were going good a couple of years ago (according to a western finance man who said he lived on same street as Evergrande boss who had his house surrounded by unpaid workers one morning), I dont know how the f they are going to operate now that they are surely regarded as poisonous. I do work in construction btw.

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Generation Bitcoin with Matt James says:

    regarding btc being risky… what do you see the major risks as?

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Annabelle Mora says:

    You've been on point on everything! Thank you for all your hard work! 😊

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Sean Cullen says:

    Evergrande is likely tip of a much larger iceberg – there's a lot more companies in a similar bind, just lagging behind time wise. Could take 6-12 months to spread through the sector but if the CCP can somehow side step this house of cards then hats off to them.

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars John Wanamaker says:

    The government will let Evergrande fall on its face.. allowing them to step in and take over control of basically the only investment opportunities for the general population of China.

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Armchairwoman Mao says:

    They are known for tofu dreg housing projects, serves them well for going to hell in a hand basket.

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Dre Z says:

    Our government is also lying as well. Inflation economy and war

  28. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Russty Russ says:

    Fear tactics by all means…tricks the Big pockets (specially Hedge Fund managers) use to influence mass investors to sell! Then they come in at lower prices and buy, buy, buy. Same'ol, same'ol song and dance over and over. Some people are pros at twisting and bending the truth, not to say anything else or point out specific people lolll

  29. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars TSA says:

    China is isolated event πŸ™‚ Funny, and it's not Lemon brothers πŸ™‚ Funny…
    You are funny man. Where do you think your smartphone is put together? Everything is connected, especially with China. Many US and EU companies couldn't exist without China and you are telling people that this is an isolated event πŸ™‚

  30. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Nola Clarke says:

    They won't pay the USD denominated bond. Time will slaughter the lies.

  31. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Rb says:

    Is Evergrande just a symptom of a wider problem not the cause?

  32. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ljubostrasni says:

    bla, bla, bla Evergrande will have an impact on the Chinese and world economy as well as a fart on the hurricane

  33. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Graham Lister says:

    I like you Tom but you are wrong about Evergrande. It is the canary in the coal mine. All of Chinese real estate developers are in trouble. The Chinese banks will see huge losses. Foreign investors will pull out. Letters of credit will stop and the global supply chain will collapse. It is globally systemic

  34. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Hegyesi Peter says:

    Yeah all fud but the money they collected for future projects are gone, 1.4 million units?? They had to get money from employees. Not paying for suppliers. For decades they are building homes that are rotting empty. sure yesterday suckers bought the dip. but you genious must be right XD you should buy into this well trusted company to go against the fud

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