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Well, once again, everybody is speculating about the real estate industry and specifically the commercial real estate segment because nobody wants to go back to offices. According to Bloomberg, about 50 of office space in use today is empty, and that's potentially a new normal, but it creates issues when 92 billion dollars of non-bank specifically office debt matures this year, which needs refinancing a potentially substantially lower prices. Some brokerages are estimating that there will be 330 million square feet of excess. Office Space by the end of the decade.

And just to picture what a million square feet feels like, think about an average Mall being around a million square feet now. picture 330 of those and fill them with cubicles. That's how much empty office space you might have. That's a lot, so it's leading a lot of people to believe that.

Oh well. we could probably just rebuild those office spaces into condos, right? I Mean why not just take the condos or or the office spaces and turn them into condos? You know we need more housing, so why not solve the housing? Problem by doing just that, Solve the housing problem at the same time as dealing with all these vacant office spaces. And the New York Times has done a phenomenal piece on this. The New York Times analyzed just this and they found that there are certain shapes of buildings that are really conducive to doing this.

Now they're all from a particular era, which is great. They have these shapes that look like this: They have eight shapes: o shapes, C shapes, U shapes, eye shapes and L shapes. these buildings are really conducive to being turned into office spaces because they're close to Windows and they have a lot of availability of space so it's easy to turn these buildings into condos. or Studios Look for example, if you have a solid like a a slender, a skinny Building look at this for example.

Let's say this was a typical small office building where maybe it was a 10-story building and you basically had little offices off the left and right. You had maybe be a receptionist window and then an office and then you had shared bathrooms. These kind of buildings are very typical for the late 1920s sort of the pre-war era office building where you had little suites as you could see here and these Suites are perfect for turning into guess what homes. two bedroom homes, one bedroom homes.

Fantastic. As you can see here, looks functional right? You created one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight nine, ten, eleven, eleven different units that people could live in out of what used to be offices. That's fantastic. Unfortunately, something happened that makes these sorts of conversions which look pretty nice and usable for Manhattan a lot less functional for today.

And that's unfortunately because we changed the architecture of our buildings substantially instead of having these older 1920s Style buildings where you had smaller windows that could actually operate and open and they weren't that wide to where a lot of space was close to Windows which could easily then be converted into condos. What did you end up getting after the war? Well You ended up getting apartment? well should I say Office Buildings That ended up looking a lot wider. See here's your typical 1929 building. that's cylinder that that's slim building.
I Should say that makes it very easy to on one side put a condo and then on the other side put a condo and then you have a hallway in between. Easy right? This is your typical 1929 building. Well what unfortunately happened after that? oh, 1959 post-war damn the thing. Got a whole lot box here and all of a sudden it's really difficult to put a condo in the middle of the property because now it has no window space at all.

But the problem just got worse. In 1974, the buildings got even wider. You can still see that same footprint for condo over here in the middle of nowhere. No window space.

Not great in 1974. Another example here. Willis Tower in Chicago Here's a 1983 example in Houston Same problem. Here's a 2020 example from the 50 Hudson Yards property.

Even worse of a problem. Now, this is typically how these are generally laid out. You have a crap ton of office space and cubicles. You have an open workspace.

That's what everybody wanted before the pandemic. Everybody wanted a bigger trading floor, a bigger co-working area. People didn't want small offices anymore. So what came to office? everybody's like.

Look, we got AC we don't have to be close to Windows We got fluorescent light bulbs we don't have to be close to Windows Heck now we got LEDs. Let's just have a massive open workspace and everybody can work together all happy. Well, that's wonderful and that's the trend We went on for like 60 years. Then covet hit and what happened.

Yeah, we just don't like offices at all. So now you're stuck with these open floor plan buildings where you really have to do a lot of rejiggering to make these. Office Buildings Functional and it's very difficult Now it's possible to do it. The New York Times shows an example of how it was possibly done.

Here's an example where you have the original floor plan followed by a potential after floor plan where you create a courtyard in the middle to create more light. but unfortunately that courtyard is just people looking at other people's windows. You don't really have a view of anything, but you do get some natural light. You basically have to hollow out the center of the building if you can do that structurally and now you can create condos, but you end up creating some funk like.

look at this. Look at these weird zigzag walls that you have to create because of the way the existing Plumbing electrical systems and most importantly the structural beams end up sitting. So you end up having structural members in the middle of bedrooms. You end up having funky floor plans and it makes it really difficult to convert these old Office Buildings into something functional.
And so the New York Times makes the argument that many, unfortunately of these Office Buildings are potentially just going to have to be demolished Again, you've got a lack of Windows in many of these, a lack of operable. Windows You know when you see like floor-to-ceiling glass skyscrapers? Well guess what happens with those suckers? You can't open the damn windows and you can't open the window. What do you not? Have a fire escape so you don't have a functional opportunity to turn it into condos anyway because you don't have two points of entry and exit. The problem deep: Interiors These open Office floor plans when people don't want offices anymore basically means when it comes to offices, you've got a lot of toxic assets.

Now, there are a lot of fears that the toxic Assets in the office space is going to end up leading to Contagion will end up seeing the residential and Commercial sectors that is multi-family single-family retail, industrial, and all real estate values compressed and that'll ultimately be for speculation in a separate video. But what we can say is, when it comes to offices, converting offices is going to be a whole lot harder than it seems. Yeah, Can we convert 1920s buildings? Absolutely. Can we easily convert some of the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s buildings? not so fast.

So we're going to have some massive problems. And so in my opinion this idea that, ah, no problem, empty offices just convert them to housing. Easier said than done. And if anybody's ever gone through permitting, you know that office space doesn't require the same standards that residential space requires.

In fact, a lot of office space in many states don't require fire sprinklers, but residential space does. Residential space Also often requires more intense seismic requirements because people might be asleep when disaster could strike, whether a fire or earthquake or otherwise. That leads to more intense engineering standards, which some buildings just won't satisfy. and so that creates a massive problem for the office real estate space.

Probably the last place I'd want to be right now is owning. Office Buildings and the idea that companies with money can just go in and start converting Office Buildings Probably highly unrealistic. What is very realistic though, is you gaining the lead by checking out the programs of building your wealth. Link down below: We've got a massive coupon expiration today on 420 at the end of the day 11 59.

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Despite everybody hoping for more housing, the housing shortage should probably continue for a long time until governments finally wake up and make it easier for developers to build more homes faster and still at quality standards, but that might be too much of a feat to accomplish. so in the meantime, housing shortage likely to continue while Office 10 thank you.

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34 thoughts on “The office crisis is worse than it appears real estate hell.”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ezra Mateo says:

    Lawsuits

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars CancerMom says:

    I love ur videos i been watching when covid began.. when u talked about the stimulus…

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars BidBuyTom says:

    Great video. Not interested in working in an office. Work from home or remote

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars cestmoilance says:

    So true. I am currently on the ex-trading floor and there is a slot to the right side of the desk, just below the desktop, for a landline phone

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Fastblade Productions says:

    The big problem is your trading a worker who spends as an example of $50 a day in the city to people that are low income spending $10 dollars a day….. mta is in danger….

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Alex says:

    Hey Kevin I have an idea but this is patent pending… how about you get digital 4K screens that mimic weather for today and put them as windows so you can make them apartments

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Marcos Alvarez says:

    It would be very useful if they converted more commercial real estate into residential and if lawmakers helped make it more convenient. It would also bring residential prices down in big cities

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars R S says:

    Why were these employees who are refusing to return to work not mass laid off? They are not only contributing to the commercial real estate crashing, but the entire business ecosystem that office buildings create… the office cleaners, window cleaners, the food vendors outside who , depend on worker revenue, the office equipment vendors, the loss of commuters on public transit systems… this issue goes deeper than just the building owner rents and should've been dealt with swiftly.

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Lou says:

    I see an opportunity to convert these large spaces into manufacturing facilities to foster more maid in America products. Not sure how you could make it affordable to do without government subsidies on rent and conversation costs but I think it's worth looking into.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Brandon Bernal says:

    There is another option besides hollowing out the center of the building. Create common areas of stores, restaurants, laundry facilities, playgrounds, music rooms, arcades, daycare, etc.

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jonas Britto says:

    Pretty big eye opener

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Matthew S says:

    Leave them as is and put all the foreign people we bring over in them, problem solved.

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars L. Crandall says:

    Give everyone a big home theater and a large storage unit.

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Dakota Wall says:

    It'd be easier to use those commercial spaces for logistics and energy with their structure/layout and code requirements.

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Vitaliy Leonov says:

    What about renovate ALL of that old office buildings (empty and occupied) from office to condos and new buildings leave as offices.
    Renovation will cut supply. Companie's moving from old to new buildings will solve demand for offices.

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Moon Man says:

    Some of them can house the homeless and bring back the nut houses that Reagan took away in the 80s. Too many looney people running around in the street that shouldn’t be.

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars damian99669 says:

    Windows are over rated. I am sure if the price was right a lot of people would go for an apartment without a window.

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Liam C says:

    How about converting office space into homeless shelters, asylums, medical injection facilities.

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Fitch75 says:

    Valuable knowledge

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars James Brewer says:

    Just wait many business are in 5 or 10 year leases…once their leases are up they WILL NOT renew. By 2030 they will almost all be empty.

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Markus Gorelli says:

    I once worked at a building that placed the elevators in a central core and this housed the bathrooms too. You then went through a door to leave the core to enter the office spaces. I was thinking it would be cool to have the floor to myself – but they would have to bust a hole in a wall and block off the other entrance so I wouldn't have to go to the elevator core just to go to the bathroom. lol.

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mr Article says:

    always hated office. hearing this warms my heart.

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jon Guerrero says:

    Instead of making them condos….make them to income based housing? That would be more worth while to do than making housing that 70% can't afford?just a thought.

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Aaron ___ says:

    We've screwed up hugely by building single use/purpose buildings. It's like a fast food building, what else is it good for?

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Zuri2011 says:

    This what DC government needs to do because I am not going back in that office

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Grant Purdy says:

    Kevin you teach me so much, Its time to return the favor. Beams are horizontal and columns are vertical. FYI

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars voltron69 says:

    You are usually so bullish, not no more?? What happened?

  28. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Suzanne Saturday says:

    Thanks for this video about NY office buildings Kevin.

    Regarding the housing problem, there are thousands of empty rent stabilized apartments in NYC. It’s too expensive to renovate them in relation to the rent they’ll bring in.

    It doesn’t matter if you’re conservative or liberal. The housing situation is a disaster from every angle. We need to throw out all the old rules & create new ones.

  29. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars MaineGreen Grower420 says:

    Is sitting in front of a computer an actual job?..soon to be Ai..anyone can be taught to push buttons..not everyone can be a construction worker, mechanic, pilot, farmer, roofer, fisherman, linemen, doctor, dentist..so many people "work" from home now..maybe this is a good thing..

  30. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars András Bíró says:

    Maybe other conversions? Like datacenters, some light industry, or maybe vertical farms?
    For fun I asked GPT-4 for advice, and it gave me this :

    "Empty office buildings can be repurposed for a variety of uses, taking into account regulations, requirements, and costs associated with conversion. Here are seven ideas for repurposing these spaces:

    1. Co-living spaces: Convert the offices into shared living spaces, which can help address housing shortages in urban areas. The building can be retrofitted to include common areas, kitchens, bathrooms, and private bedrooms. Compliance with building codes and zoning regulations would be necessary.

    2. Makerspaces or co-working spaces: These shared workspaces can cater to freelancers, entrepreneurs, and small businesses. Modifications may include the addition of private offices, conference rooms, shared desks, and other amenities. Ensuring proper zoning and adhering to safety codes is important.

    3. Incubators or accelerators: Transform the office building into a hub for startups and innovation. This may require creating shared workspaces, private offices, meeting rooms, and event spaces. Collaboration with local government and economic development organizations can help ensure regulatory compliance.

    4. Educational institutions: Convert the space into a school, college, or training center. This may involve retrofitting classrooms, labs, libraries, and other facilities. Compliance with educational standards, zoning, and safety regulations is crucial.

    5. Community centers: Create a hub for local residents, offering recreational facilities, meeting rooms, and event spaces. Compliance with zoning regulations and ensuring accessibility for people with disabilities will be necessary.

    6. Indoor vertical farming: Utilize the office space for urban farming, growing crops using hydroponic or aeroponic systems. This can help provide fresh, locally sourced produce while reducing the building's carbon footprint. Building code compliance and potential zoning changes may be required.

    7. Data centers: Convert the building into a data center to store and process digital information. This will require significant investment in infrastructure, cooling systems, and security. Compliance with local zoning, building codes, and environmental regulations is essential.

    In all cases, it's crucial to conduct a thorough assessment of the building's structural integrity, consult with local authorities regarding zoning and building codes, and develop a detailed plan for conversion, taking into account the associated costs and long-term sustainability."

  31. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Devonte Sellers says:

    Nah turn them into condos

  32. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars MVP SPORTS says:

    I’m full time work from home

  33. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Allen Ennis says:

    Who cares. They are all owned by investors or private owners. Nobody should be bailed out. I don’t see is small business getting bailed out. Sick of this. Taxpayers are getting screwed.

  34. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Martin Adamski says:

    Kevin has an office space with NO WINDOWS

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