In this video we talk about Mark Spiegel, the founder and CEO of hedge fund Stanphyl Capital. Spiegel has made a name for himself as an OG Tesla short seller who has been short shares since 2014. Needless to say the results have been horrendous. In 2021 he doubled down on his Tesla short position which makes up more than 25% of his portfolio. It looks like his hedge fund is doomed.
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What's up guys and welcome back to wall street millennial on this channel, we cover everything related to stocks and investing after increasing sevenfold in 2020. Tesla stock has continued its strong performance in 2021, with the share price up another 42 percent year-to-date. This makes it one of the best performing stocks in the s p 500 index. This has been a disaster for short-selling hedge fund managers, such as jim chanos and david einhorn, who have seen their capital evaporate to almost nothing over the past couple years.

Most of them have finally thrown in the towel by either closing their short positions, or at least reducing them substantially. But there's one tesla short seller, who hasn't been as wise mark spiegel, is the founder and ceo of stanfield capital, a tiny hedge fund based in new york, with less than 10 million dollars of assets under management. He has been short tesla since 2013 and, as you can imagine, the results have been disastrous since his fund's inception in 2011. He has underperformed the s p, 500 by almost 200 percent.

This number was as of february of 2021, and things have actually gotten even worse. Since then, in 2020 alone, spiegel's fund was down 11.5 percent, while the s p 500 was up 18.4 percent. His losses can more than entirely be attributed to his tesla short position, as his longs actually did pretty well around the beginning of 2020. He managed his risk by reducing his tesla short position to five percent of his portfolio from its previous weight of more than 20 percent.

This decision likely saved him from bankruptcy if he covered his tesla short, he may have been able to make a comeback. Unfortunately, for his clients he did the exact opposite. In 2021, he doubled down on his tesla short right before the stock shot up 60 to the upside. By this point, he's probably managing just a couple million dollars at most, his career as a hedge fund manager has been all but destroyed in this video we'll go over why he doubled down on his tesla short in 2021 and how this position blew up for him.

In spectacular fashion, if you haven't already make sure to check out our previous video about mark spiegel's history and his bear case for tesla, the link is in the description below spiegel has been posting articles on seeking alpha since 2010, with a substantial plurality of them. Being about his short thesis for tesla he's been making the same tired arguments as all the short sellers about the competition from the legacy automakers and tesla's cash burn. Of course, the latter argument is no longer valid, as the company has been recording net profit since 2019.. As tesla and other growth stocks skyrocketed in 2020, even spiegel knew that short positions were unsustainable.

In addition to reducing his tesla position, he completely exited all of his other short positions. Despite his belief that the market was in a giant bubble, he decided to take his hedge fund back to its roots of buying deep value, micro cap and nano cap stocks. If he had actually followed through with that there's a good chance, he could have made a comeback in 2020 and early 2021. He was long penny stocks, including aviat networks, which is up 400 since the beginning of 2020 and evolution systems, which is up almost 200 in the same period.
Finding penny stock long positions is pretty much. The only thing that spiegel is good at as the fed has pumped the economy with trillions of new dollars. The s p 500 has increased 40 over its pre-pandemic levels. This has led spiegel to think that we're in a massive stock market bubble, he thinks we're nearing the peak of the bubble and the tesla short, which he has maintained for the better part of the last decade, will finally pay off.

So last year must have been painful for you as a major tesla bear the stock rallied more than 740 from the start of 2020 until the start of 2021. talk to us about your positioning last year and how your position now right. Well, we've been short, tesla um, a hell of a lot longer than i ever thought. I'd have to be short, that's something we've been short it really since 2014 in reasonable size.

You know that you know and i put on a tiny position in 2013, but it wasn't meaningful um. So yeah we were short, we've been short tesla and it's hurt us because i had a lot of stocks that made a lot of money last year. But overall the fund was down a little bit last year, um entirely due to the tesla short now right now we're about as short in terms of size and largeness of size as a percentage of aun, as we've ever been, i mean i got us that way. Really really last week - and i i just i know this thing is about to collapse and i felt it for a while.

But when i'm wrong, i just stop it out and put it on a little bit higher and that's what i've been doing to sort of control the risk and be there when it finally happens. Spiegel is suffering the sunk cost. Fallacy he's been short tesla since 2014. During which time the stock price rose 20-fold, if he completely abandons the position now, he will have to admit that he was wrong this whole time, but he is still holding out in hopes that the bubble will finally burst and tesla will tank allowing him to.

Finally, recoup some of his losses by august of 2021 tesla stock was down about 22 percent spiegel viewed this as confirmation that the bubble was finally going to burst. So he brought his position to the largest in his fund's history as a percentage of assets under management. In 2019, he had 25 of his portfolio outright short tesla, plus a short options position, given that he increased it to the largest in his fund's history. It could have been even greater than 30 percent.

Okay, i'll tell you, i think, there's a really good chance that that tesla keeps melting down and it's it's 200, a share by the end of this year and and lower than that after you know, my target is maybe 30 40 now based on the 20 decline. In tesla shares at the time spiegel thought the market was finally turning against the ev maker and the share price would fall by another 70 to 200 by the end of the year. Up until recently, he had been saying that tesla would go to zero, but now even spiegel has to admit that the company will survive. His new price target is 30 dollars for about 95 downside.
As usual, spiegel was wrong after he initiated his maximum short position. Tesla continued to outperform expectations for his quarterly earnings reports. The stock price went up another 60 percent. If spiegel's short position was 30 of his portfolio, the losses in the past few months alone would have cost his clients close to 20 of their money to make matters.

Even worse, because he thinks the market as a whole is so overvalued. He also bought a lot of gold, which is massively underperformed my thoughts there i own a lot of gold. I'm short a lot of very, very high p e stocks. The reason for that is, if you look at what happened in the 1970s, when inflation really took off, you had massive pe multiple compression.

So you know: if we've got a market selling now in the 20s, i it could be wind up selling in the mid-teens or worse as a multiple and like the really crazy stuff i mean the arc stocks or or you know, i don't know what tesla is Anymore, it's not a it's, not as it's not a share in a company, but you know that kind of stuff. That's what's going to get slammed the worst um. So look, i'm always a value investor. I mean you know.

I mean that just means paying what i think is a cheap price for something it doesn't have to be a pe multiple of eight, although i just recently bought in the last month or two i bought general motors and volkswagen, there's obvious paired trades against my tesla Short, we can talk about them, they're just cheap um, but yeah, but there's very little value out there to buy. I mean those are the only two law, i'm my preference is to buy deep value micro cap and nano cap where there's very little competition from big funds, and i haven't been able to add one of those stocks. I don't think, maybe, since the since the crash in march of 20 - i don't know if i had. I bought a bunch of them then, and they were all home runs for us and i sold them.

But um spiegel thinks that stocks are in a bubble across the board because of this he closed out his deep value penny stock positions, as he thinks even these are overvalued now. Currently, his only meaningful long positions are general motors and volkswagen, and even these are not even real long positions. They're just hedges to offset his tesla short he's, basically, all in shorting, tesla and other high growth companies in long and gold and silver spiegel has basically been waiting for a market crash for the better part of the past five years, and it is true that the Stock market has high valuations compared to historical levels, and we could be due for a correction, but spiegel has lost so much money, shorting the market and waiting for a crash that, even if there is a 30 or even 40 crash within the next few years. This won't be nearly enough to make up for his 200 under performance of the s p 500.
Over the past decade. Mark spiegel's career is most likely doomed. He had less than 10 million dollars of assets under management before 2020 and based on his performance. It's probably less than half of that today.

The biggest mystery is why anyone is still investing anything with him, given how consistently wrong he has been. He will go down in history as one entry in the long list of hedge fund managers who lost it all bidding against elon musk, alright, guys that wraps it up for this video. What do you think about mark spiegel? Do you think his hedge fund has any chance of surviving? Let us know in the comments section below, as always. Thank you so much for watching and we'll see in the next one wall, street millennial signing out.


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34 thoughts on “The hedge fund manager addicted to shorting tesla”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars C REX says:

    A broken clock is right twice a day.
    Shorts are highly unethical imo and even more with other peoples money. If you wanna gamble, go to a casino.

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars D M says:

    Tesla deserves to be shorted, Elon is a conman, remember this.

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars xiaoka says:

    “Tesla to $30 by the end of the year!”

    They should put that one on his tombstone!

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Sayto 00 says:

    Seeking Alpha's trash. Saying Tesla's bad but AT&T stock oh that's the real winner it's just misunderstood lol. They also said AMD's overvalued at 70. Whoever listens to them lose out.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars U.V. S. says:

    30 dollars per TSLA share? No way, it is not worth more than $ 4.99

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars m4mario says:

    Tesla is a good company with a mission. It will not go to zero.
    Tesla stock price is way overpriced and will have a huge correction.
    But there is no way to time the crash. Its difficult to pick bottoms, it’s just stupid to try pick tops.

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jared Hohman says:

    “Far more money has been lost by investors trying to anticipate corrections, than lost in the corrections themselves.”

    Peter Lynch

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mr. Berry says:

    If they like giving away millions or billions, just send it to me as a charitable donation. Easy tax write off.

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Wrednax says:

    Do a video on Gordon Johnson, another famous Tesla bear

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ashura [The One] says:

    If I had my money in this dude’s fund and still gave him more idk if I should be mad at him or myself for listening to this dude 😭

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Chimezie Mbagwu says:

    Buy low, Sell High… not always the case. Learnt dat the hard way trading forex. Now anytime I see price so high am scared to short.

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Chino Gambino says:

    Obviously the short sellers were wrong about Tesla however Its not hard to see how they did the math, the current value is a bit ridiculous. As of this moment are Tesla really providing 4 times the worth of Toyota which sell like 30% of all the cars in the world? Probably not looking at the risks but the price doesn't have to be rational, people want Telsa to be the Apple for cars.

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Michael Malize says:

    my tesla price target is $0.78 but looking to scale out of my short position around $2.30

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Knova says:

    When Tesla reaches 3,000 a share spiegal is gonna be able to afford cardboard real estate

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jos vermeulen says:

    He mentioned P/E shrinking as a reason why the SP would go down. If he was actually a fraction as intelligent as he thinks he is, he would have seen there has been serious P/E shrinking since the start of year for Tesla while the price is rising, because the E in P/E keeps going up more than the P.
    Great video BTW!

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Noztube says:

    Man, look at his face during that interview. Someone notify the suicide hotline about this guy.

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars daveorourke77 says:

    I suspect that he's probably correct but he may not be around to reap the rewards.

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Highest IQ says:

    My man shorted at $35 billion and it became a $1T company and he ain't done. 😂

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Leverage earnings says:

    Hedge fund manager ? That guy probably has a smaller position then I do.

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Luckie O’Leary says:

    Dude is straight up ignorant. Take your losses and leave.

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Carlos Geli says:

    He is definitely still short cuz of ego and not cuz of any form of research or fundamentals

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tony V says:

    Imagine paying this guy a fee to lose all your money lol I don’t get why anybody would use a financial advisor

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tobacc0 says:

    Charlie Munger said he never goes long on meme stocks. And that he also never shorts them.

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars lkiiig says:

    the market is highly irrational, the reason it hasn't collapsed is because of all of the cash entering right now by people who have no idea what they are doing.

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Martin Halbhuber says:

    The guys are right , they are just wrong on the timing. Tesla and related companies collapse will be Enron meets Worldcom meets Theranos.

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Serie26 says:

    Gotta love how that wikipedia site says that Elon Musk founded Tesla. Well, he didn't and that is a fact. The stock keeps rising because of Musk. If he dies (entirely possible) or stops being CEO, that puppy is going to $100 at most.

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars CJ says:

    Tesla is overvalued, yes. Will it fall eventually, most likely. But he has no actual reason to short. He’s just WSB investor on the opposite side

  28. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars The Fishing Nomad says:

    The market can stay irrational longer than a person can stay solvent. You keep saying that he is wrong or he has to admit he was wrong. He has not been wrong just because the price goes up.

  29. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars th tan says:

    does he hate rivian and lucid too as much as he hates tesla?

  30. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars mhz says:

    My animosity toward Mr. Spiegel has now turned into empathy, whatever he is, I respect he put his skin in the game. I hope he can retire comfortably whatever the outcome is.

  31. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Michael Miller says:

    The dude is correct about TSLA being massively overvalued from any rational value-driven perspective. What he got wrong was the timing, and the fact that TSLA and its cultist hodlers are completely disconnected from reality. Make no mistake, TSLA is the cisco of the 2020's, but trying to time the top is a fool's errand.

  32. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Antonio Maglione says:

    Tesla has brought a big gun in the EV sector, i.e. the Dojo supercomputer they are using to generate vector spaces for every imaginable road situation. In a year or two, they will likely have a 5 – 7 years advantage on all other EV manufacturers.
    An EV requires two parts to succeed: a cheap and powerful battery, and outstanding control software.
    Engineers know this very well; investors may not.

  33. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Prashant Tayshetye says:

    You never know when shorts work it will just be patient

  34. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ice Lance says:

    Gotta thank mark for allowing us to make a killing on our single call option muahaha

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