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Is it possible that we are going into a stagflationary recession and what does this have to do with potentially looking back at the 1970s? Well, let's talk about exactly that. So in the 1970s we had the arab oil embargo, which created a prolonged period of inflation, gas lines, gas shortages, gas rationing and massive inflation. Massive to the point where we had to get what's now called vulcard, which is when paul volcker stepped in. Finally, in the late 70s and early 80s and said enough of this we're raising rates aggressively to over 15 16, so we can crush inflation by getting ahead of inflation.

We are going to force a recession because when we raise rates so substantially, we sap demand creating a year-over-year negative growth in gdp. Two quarters of that in a row boom you've got a recession, so we crushed it uh, essentially by raising rates to such ridiculous levels. That borrowing essentially stopped and we were able to end inflation by proving that the federal reserve had the intention of fighting inflation see back in the 70s. At the same time as we had the arab oil embargo, we had a complete loss of confidence in the federal reserve because the federal reserve just hadn't, had to deal with this before and they were clueless in terms of how to deal with it.

The government was failing because the government had price sealing policies in place which just exacerbated shortages, i mean think about it. If prices are not allowed to go up, then you get even more shortages and which eventually bottles up even more inflation, and so when those price ceiling policies were removed in the 70s by nixon, what did you end up having? Well, you ended up having substantial inflation because the price ceiling is now gone and so prices were able to go to market prices which were now exacerbated by even worse shortages, right and so. Inflation took hold via the uh arab oil embargo. These lifting of failed government, uh policies on price ceilings and the expectation that the federal reserve was not going to be able to tame inflation.

That was really bad, and on top of that, what did we do in the 70s? Well nixon in 1971 decided. You know we're going to leave the gold standard which made everybody think. That's it we're going back to the 1920s wymore republic, where you're walking around with wheelbarrows of cash in because well like a loaf of bread, costs a wheelbarrow of cash uh, and so this this led to the expectation that inflation was just going to destroy the american Dollar, especially since it wasn't on the gold standard and either we'd, go back in the gold standard or we're screwed. Now we ended up just getting vulgared, which was also bad because it led to a pretty nasty recession, but but it ended up solving inflation and - and so this is how we ended up regaining fiat trust so to speak and inflation stabilized and so for 40 years.

Thereafter, inflation has been essentially on this downward trend that you know, productivity is up. Uh you've got uh innovation up and and really expectations that over time as democracies mature, you end up getting less inflation. That's just statistically what happens, and this is why uh more mature democracies, like you have uh in europe, are substantially uh or before this latest crisis have been facing substantially lower inflation than us, even to the point of being in uh territory, where uh rates are negative Right, this is not where the amer, where america was before uh the pandemic and war, and so that's where we now have this boom of inflation now, and it is the largest commodity shock that we've really experienced since the 1970s. And so it's scary, because much like the shock of the arab oil embargo in the 70s we've got this dual effect now of a pandemic via covert 1.0 uh delta, variant of covid, omicron variant of covid and now war all leading to a similar style, energy and Commodity shock, again, the likes of which we haven't seen for 50 plus years, and this could get even worse by the halting of natural gas flows from russia to germany and other countries who refuse to use the russian ruble to transact.
Because this would require germany essentially have a bank in russia and uh send euros to that bank in russia, uh convert to the russian ruble and then buy uh. You know natural gas. Poland has so far refused to do this and has been cut off by russia, and so you get a lot of these sort of fears that are building up, and on top of that, we now had the first quarter of negative gdp for the united states uh. You know, since the covet pandemic, this was absolutely not expected.

Nobody was forecasting uh this well, at least in in terms of uh economist consensus estimates of uh growth of 1.4. You know us, actually, i think it's actually growth of 1.5, but actually having gdp of negative 1.4. We've got some real issues right on top of the fact that china is already likely in a recession, but their their data is questionable. So you know maybe they are intercession, but we don't know about it.

Uh south korea has had its highest levels of inflation in the last 10 years. We don't even need to start talking about the inflation that we're seeing in brazil over 10 argentina, even more than that europe's likely in a recession or going into a recession. Global growth is slowing and, quite frankly, we expect gdp this year. Uh.

To be four point, one percent across the world - or at least i should say we expected that in january and that's already been cut by like 25 down to 3.3 percent and, quite frankly, that's likely still too high - we're probably going to have even lower global growth. Uh, at the same time, we started the year with global inflation expectations of around 2.25 for the world and we're going to be at like 6.2 percent - that's at least where the estimates are now, which are also probably wrong. So this is where now there are serious concerns that we're going to be in a stagflationary environment, potentially all of 2022, and so stagflation is really like the worst possible case that you could imagine, because, if you're on stagflation and you're, maybe in a stagflation, induced recession. So we could call that stagflationary recession well now, you've got really big problems because see the way you solve stagflation is by on one hand, you have to deal with part one which is a stagnating economy.
Well, usually, the way to solve a stagnating economy. Is you expect productivity to go up and spending to go up but uh the way to encourage that would be via stimulus or lower interest rates? But the way, if you do that, you actually end up likely increasing the odds of inflation, continuing and and anchoring, and if inflation gets anchored because people are seeing wow the fed's, still printing money wow the u.s government is, you know, still printing money. Well then, what do you have? Well, you end up, and i just want to clarify that really quick, so i don't get comments on it. The united states government actually runs the money printers, but the federal reserve can essentially finance that by creating numbers on a spreadsheet.

Okay, they call it digital printing. The government actually prints it. Okay government stimulates, via like stimulus, checks, uh the federal reserve stimulates by lowering rates, or you know, buying bonds, uh, which, which then puts cash on bank balance sheets, which they can then lend out. Okay, clarify so anyway uh, so the way you deal with inflation is by raising rates and again the way you deal with stagnation is by lowering rates, so you're, really at like like what? What is the federal reserve supposed to do and remember consumers make up 70 of the economy, so this means honestly 2022 and we've been saying this since january, and i've had this consistent argument that 2022 could just straight up suck.

Why? Because here's the thing q1 gdp was negative. Well, what happens if q1 gdp being negative is enough to kind of create enough fear in at least some consumers that we pull back not like substantially, but just to where we we're not positive year over year, like if gdp just for simple purposes, is 20 trillion Dollars last year, and then this year we pull back just one dollar, just one dollar like you, don't actually have to pull back that freaking much you just pull back. One dollar now you're negative year over year, right at 19.99, whatever so this means we could actually have a stagflationary recession to where now some folks are saying look we might be negative for q1 because we had omicron in january and people weren't spending in january. People are spending more now, which means maybe we'll have a positive q2.

But if people get scared about what happened in q1 and then we get worse spending in q3 and 4, especially since q34 last year, is when we had the child tax credit lots of spending like crazy black friday numbers right lots of consumer spending. Well, then, we could end up having a negative q1 negative q3 negative q4, and even though we technically didn't have a recession in the first half, we would have a recession in the second half and you could just have a nasty 2022 which would probably set up For an easy beat in 2023, which means no recession in 2023, but still you're going to live through, potentially this stagflationary recession of 2022, where the only way to get through this nonsense is basically just to suffer you're going to suffer the stock market volatility. You suffer. The real estate volatility because, as the 10-year treasury is dancing around three percent mortgage rates, people are now getting quoted.
I mean they're technically sitting around five five and a quarter, but unless you're a perfect borrower, you're, probably paying like 5.58 right now for for a loan, which is crazy. I mean we're closer to six percent now than we are to five percent, so in other words, we could see that spending decline and end up having a stagflationary recession towards towards the end of the year. Now. The only thing that could potentially make this better is potentially hitting peak inflation and us being at a a point where the federal reserve can u-turn, and so this is the hopium that everybody has it's kind of like why my coupon code, linked down below for the Programs on building your wealth in real estate and stocks is back to the moon, because if it comes true that we do end up having peak inflation in march, then the federal reserve can actually deal with stagflation.

They could say: okay, cool. We don't actually have to raise rates as aggressively, so we could keep like staying neutral or slightly kind of stimulate the markets to avoid or not markets the economy to uh to prevent stagflation, while at the same time inflation is naturally coming down. That would just be like best case scenario, but it could be just like you know. Smoking opium, so uh forecast right now actually kind of suggests that the hopium might be accurate, uh, and so that's what's also.

Weird is first of all five year break evens, which are the market's expectations for inflation, have come down since their peak in march quite substantially the peak in march, we were like 3.7 on the five-year break, even now we're at uh 3.23. So that's a nice decline. The uh forecast for inflation next month is 0.2 month over month. That's an annualized run rate of inflation of just 2.4 percent.

That's really really good. Uh core inflation is expected to be 0.4, which is an annual run rate of about 4.8 percent that excludes food and gas, which, in order for you to have a higher core number than a higher overall number, means that food and gas went negative, which is entirely Possible that food and gas went negative because uh in you know in april, compared to march, because in march everything just went to the freaking moon. You know at the same time we have uh. You know some signs that that consumers are relaxing a little bit uh.
You know with with their spending, which is actually a good thing. For example, leading indicators of railcar freight activity are showing somewhat of a slowdown in consumer spending for crap for goods and services. Certainly, durables used car prices going down washing machines, refrigerators right these things. Relaxing, however, service spending is still crazy.

I mean you, look at the travel sector and forecast for like expedia and forecast for for the airlines. Those are actually really good, so consumers still spending but spending in places where we're not doubling up on those supply chain issues. So potentially we end up with a peak in march right and so then, when you kind of look at what the stock market is doing - and this is, in my opinion quite interesting - it's sort of a little bit of a leading indicator that maybe the inflationary fear Play is starting to unwind a little bit and remember i don't know if this is going to be a fact, but i always like to tell you things when i see them happen uh earlier, so so that way you can have a little bit of a of A heads up, uh in terms of where a trend might be going so remember when we had inflationary concerns, it was like: okay, get out of consumer discretionaries, get into consumer staples and materials. So what did everybody? Do? Everybody flocked to things like costco, which is your like core consumer staple okay, fine, but what happened with costco well costco is now actually trending down it's down like what 12 percent now from its peak just about a week to two weeks ago.

Another one mp materials was a lot. You know it is still a mining company, but it was seen as oh, my gosh. This is the perfect hedge for inflation. It's been on this phenomenal uptrend, but you've seen this peak right around the beginning of april, and so it's kind of been on like a one month.

Downtrend i mean so is the nasdaq right. The nasdaq's also been on one month downtrend, but you are seeing some potential capping on some of these same thing with the weed etf, even though it's been consolidating on slightly a little upward trend, it certainly hasn't been some of the peaks that we've seen now again. It could be that this is correlating to the nasdaq or the spy going down, but costco has been going up regularly during times in which the spy has been going down. Again, you go back to costco.

It's really been just recent. Let's go to the day here. Instead of the week, it's really only been since about the last week of april that you've seen this sort of peaking and u-turning here. So this is something where some folks are saying: hey.

The market. Kevin is already telling us that we're we've hit peak fear and commodities, we've hit peak fear in inflation protections market expectations via the five-year break even are way down from uh. You know down 60 basis points uh from from where we were in march, and consumer expectations of inflation are actually stable and then this is where folks also say: hey look kevin, literally uh. You know i have it right here on the bloomberg terminal in reuters terminal.
We literally just while i've been yapping here just three minutes ago, got two big updates. We got a beat like a a substantial beat on factory orders up over two percent versus the one percent expected, which is a sign that i don't know. I mean the consumer's. Still spending which echoes literally, what we're seeing in all of the earnings reports, all of the earnings reports that we're getting, whether it's uh, you know: uh apple, the chipsets, the airlines, the banks, uh individual companies, you name it the consumer spending.

So it doesn't. It's not a surprise that we also just got the jolts number, which is jobs, openings and uh. We were expecting 11.2 million job openings. We actually got 11.5 million, which means that, like businesses, aren't really worried about a stagflationary recession uh, because job openings are here, you know like layoffs and stuff tend to happen after a recession has started but like job openings are a nice oftentimes leading indicator uh.

So so, anyway, uh the rest of the year, obviously will will really matter in terms of what the fed does. The fed is expected not to shock and us, but they are expected to front load some some of their actions and the hope is again. This is just a hope that, in order for us to really avoid a very painful stagflationary recession, we need inflation to go down, naturally not to get paul volckerd and the fed to just go back to like neutral or slightly accommodative uh, but not like super aggressive. Like where paul, volckery and uh and absolutely destroy this economy, because the fed could do that, if a paul volcker by the way would look like this inflation's at eight and a half percent, the fed goes fine, we'll set rates at nine percent.

That's a paul volckering like people are worried about 50 basis points, and i'm like this is moronic like who cares we're at a quarter basis. Point now for the fomc, you go up a half percent, we're still at .75 like come on man. We need to be above two percent to be above neutral and we're not even close to where inflation is so like. These fed hikes are super nominal.

We're not getting paul volcker here, we're just like slightly turning the hose off a little faster than the market likes in the market. Like oh yeah, it's the end of the world and the way the end of the world like actually doesn't happen, is the stag. The inflation part of stagflation goes away and we're starting to see signs of that, and so personally i'm really optimistic, but that doesn't mean that 2022 is still not going to suck. But again, if i, if i zoom out and i'm like well, let me look at the history of markets.
Where do i want to invest? Do i want to invest when the market's at bottom or do i want to invest? You know when everybody's euphoric and happy well i'd rather invest in a recession, and i think 2022 is actually the year of recession, whether that's we have a positive and negative first half or a positive or an or i'm sorry, an all negative, first half or an All-Negative second, half or or some combination where it's like it's negative, positive, negative negative and we have a recession at the end. I don't really care. I think it's setting up for low comps for easy beats in 2023 uh and then your recessionary fears go away. Uh! That's it's all moved up since the last gdp report, but those are just my thoughts, so my thoughts on the stagflationary recession.

You want to talk to me in private lives. You could do that as well check out the programs i'm building your wealth link down below, especially the real estate ones. Okay, so that's my talk on stagflationary recession.

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30 thoughts on “The coming stagflationary recession crisis.”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mikhail Blinovskov says:

    We are in this mess due to DemocRats. Thanks so much for so much money printing and stimulus

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars MIke Silverman says:

    Don’t think there is a time that Kevin doesn’t want to be an investor, he sounds like your average financial consultant.

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tony Rappa says:

    I'm so confused isn't the consumer super strong

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars The Westerosi Ninja says:

    25% excess liquidity left in the economy that has been offset by only 8% inflation…we still have a long ways to go to get inflation under control. The whole idea of gradual rate increases over time and letting the market settle itself is ridiculous, that idea only works when starting in low-inflationary environments since the early 80s…we need another Volcker reset to put our house in order.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Lars Larsen Jr. says:

    We’re not going into stagflation. Earnings are growing for most part. Omicron and war affected numbers.

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Eddie Morgan says:

    Everytime he says recession we take a shot.🥃

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars william hilo says:

    Kevin why every day you change your opinion are you guessing

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Samuel Decker Thompson says:

    Do you think a .75 rate increase is possible tomorrow? Or at least guidance for that possibility on the next one? The Fed is way behind, .5 isn't going to cut it.

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars sagig72 says:

    One of your best videos Kevin! Super well articulated.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Nicnis123 says:

    Your sound on the newest videos are low

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars jonathan delk says:

    this market is just pissing me off more and more everyday. I am down 30k on a 110k portfolio. Every time I get paid, its like it doesnt matter, because I lose just as much in markets. fuckkkkk!

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Bback24/7 says:

    Not leving 💎💪AMC to 6 digitals 🚀💎❤🚀💎💎🚀❤💎

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Kyle S says:

    I wish Kevin would do more comparisons to the 1940s era instead of 1970s. Some have argued that now is more similar to the 40s.

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Maxyy40 says:

    I always like Kevin breaking down these complex topics. Helps me better time the market with investing.

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Caritas DeVersh says:

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  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Kenny D says:

    Stagflation now, hyperinflation later.

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Robert Carter says:

    I said it before and I'll say it again. Sometimes i don't know who is watching who. I say it, then a week later, you make a video saying the same thing. lol

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mike #NYR4Life says:

    Trends and historical data are meaningless in an era of emotions and living “your truth”

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars oz zy says:

    Hi Kevin. The audio is a bit low. Love your content. Just want to make sure everyone has a great experience just like I do.

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Hybin 17 says:

    Enough, is enough!! I've had it with this motha$^@^@ inflation, on this motha&#*#^ balance sheet!! I'm going to cause a recession.

    -Jerome Powell

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars David Rizk says:

    Kevin your volume has been lower than usual lately, can you raise it a bit I work in a loud environment

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Termless says:

    Which large-caps have fallen the most in the past few months?

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Edward Gilmartin says:

    US printed too much money for LBJs war in Vietnam and his new welfare programs. Gave us inflation in 1970s. Guns and butter

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Michael says:

    I wish they taught us everything Kevin talks about when I was growing up in school. Appreciate ya, Kevin!

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Simon says:

    One thing for sure is we are definitely not on the edge of a bull market.
    All this transitory crap was pointless.

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars ScrewCollege says:

    Tesla can handle the recession! This is why i have 100% of my portfolio in TSLA

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jose Garduno says:

    Shoutout to kevin wearing Hollister I'm sure it's like 10 years old. Stay humble !!

  28. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ken H says:

    This is a good time to short an index.

  29. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Antonio Ramirez Jr says:

    I’m so tired of this I just want to get it over with and head back towards the moon 🚀

  30. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Hola! Carl Welch says:

    No. No it's not possible.

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