I don't care if you make money long or short, just as long as you make money right uh, i don't wish losses anybody, but when you hold and hope and you wish and dream and then you get crushed like on cei, which again seems extreme but the Reality is these types of end like ends to these supernovas do happen. Um, then you have losses because you believed in the company - and you didn't really do your due diligence or you didn't, have your own trade plan or you had no trade plan right. You just you just gambled, and so i think that's the kind of the point i want to end. At least for me, for this episode is like for me: it's just trading versus investing.

It's like don't be a believer like under truly understand what you own. What is up guys welcome back to twist uh we took last week off because we're you know we're busy, but we're back um, as mentioned or as promised. Uh jack and martin are together on this one, but i mean they're, always together, just little lovebirds there. So cute um, but yeah we're back we're just another week in the lovely stock market um this one this week is interesting because we just had a huge run on cei last week, which i think really like brought some heat to the market.

Like really picked it up, but then i see just drastically died which we'll talk about. I think that kind of crushed any momentum we had so now we're kind of back to where we started um. What do you guys think you know am? I am i accurate on that one yeah um, that's very accurate. There's, like i think you mentioned one of your tweets like at the october heat and yeah.

We got that with. I, i, u s, u ibl, but now we see that c. I will. It went from like 485 to all the way back to one, so i feel like there were a lot of people along that in a lot of hype and momentum like behind all of cei and everything, and now there's just so many people that have lost on That ticker, unfortunately, and i think that for otcs, mainly i haven't been trading like any otcs.

It's just been cei, mainly this whole month, yep yeah. I wish that um. I really do wish that ci went to that unrealistic. 10 share target from a lot of the twitter pumpers, because then a lot of idiots would have had money to buy more plays.

I'm sure there would be another run right now, but unfortunately cei tanked pretty vigorously from three to one in one day halting down, and i don't think that a lot of people that were holding from lower, i think a lot of people got awfully greedy on that. One and i think a lot of people gave back a significant amount of profits, so i don't think that there's a lot of money to go around to buy some other pumps and plays personally from what i've seen so far. It's been really really slow. Since cei crashed even on the nasdaq side, i mean we have prog, but i mean that one did a midday offering and it's coming back and like it's just a little bit choppy.

There hasn't been too good of a trade on it, but it's moving a little bit, which is cool and, like mario, was saying, with the otcs they're, just uh, really dull, right now, like a lackluster at volume and who really knows what to expect with those uh. This month - and i think that this month, the hype was, you know, cei the the crash the first few days of the month, and now i think it's going to be a little bit of a dull period, uh so far this week, absolutely nothing uh. I saw nothing monday, nothing um, nothing, tuesday, nothing, probably today, tomorrow, thursday friday, although friday was a nice opportunity on cei on the bounce short - and i know both of you did really really well on it, and congratulations unfortunately for me, i ended up moving on friday And i missed pretty much friday, thursday, wednesday of last week, because i was moving and i did my best not to trade, although when cei was crashing from three to one, i did attempt to dip by, and it was a little bit of a sticky situation. For me - and it was pretty stressful - um probably could have been avoided for me, but it is what it is and i at least didn't trade the last three days, even though i think i should have not traded the entire week right on um.

I remember i mean yeah, i remember talking to you jack about the dip buy, as it was happening here, um and yeah, just really a lackluster dip by you know where i think from prior experience. We're used to seeing these these dip buys that haul down three or four times in a row have these epic, epic, bounces, and so when we went to you know from mid twos all the way to mid ones. I mean i was thinking at least a bounce to two bucks, and i mean we could barely push 180s. Luckily, there's a ton of volume, so you know with a you know, good timing and a good average.

I still profit i made about 5k on the on the dip buy um, but just totally did not meet the expectations which again you never want to hold out for your expectations, no matter what, because you will be disappointed, like you have to react to price action. So i think that's why both me and jack profited because we sold where we just saw the price action kind of stop but um but yeah i just i was i was i mean, i'm sure you guys feel the same. I was shocked to see how i mean how devastating cei was. I mean i knew from previous history of how kind of scammy and and crappy of a company this has been.

I mean if you go back to the was it like five years ago. Ten years ago, let's go back ten um, you know so they've done so many reverse splits like this. This is not this isn't real the fact that they they were once priced at 56 million um they've just done so many reverse splits. So when you go back to the chart, it looks as if they were a price that high they were never priced.

That high, like that's just how many reverse splits they've done. Um now, will they do another split? Maybe maybe not, but i mean that was what so many people on twitter and so many pumpers on twitter were just just riding the wave of like they're not going to dilute they're, not going to reverse split and then backside comes in. Then a short report comes out, and i mean just total destruction, um and yeah to what jack's point about the first red day or the bounce short um. I pretty i i kind of screwed up on this.

I didn't really short any of this move. Um any of this weakness in the morning i was so caught up in the fact that this was like so strong and like they're gon na give this they're gon na give this a massive balance of like three dollars. So i just totally did not react. I really failed poorly at that, and i missed all this, however, into the late day here when i had this bounce into the 180s and then tapped at 190, i actually started short for a swing idea, and so i actually swung overnight.

I had like a a 180 average or so uh held it overnight and then covered it into this wash on monday morning, um and believe it or not. That was my biggest trade on cei over the entire run. Up like this entire run up even on this big huge day, i think i only made 13k on this big day um, but i made 25k on the overnight short so and that was like half my games. I looked at my i looked at my trades on properly for cei and i think i've made like 50 to 60k on it, which is literally probably i mean i'm up a little bit over 80k on the month, which is a great start, but i mean that Cei is probably like 75 of it, so um like we just mentioned now.

Let's see you got cei kind of got crushed so hard and like jack, made a good point of you know. If this ticker hadn't died and got hit so hard, there could have been probably more people to get out with profits sooner, which could have then funneled that money into a new runner, and so because we got such a harsh end um. I agree with everything. Jack said of, like we might just see another slow week or two before we get new money, you know a few people to save up a few more 100 um to kind of bring a runner back.

I don't know if you guys have any comments on cei or any other runners, but that's been my my thought process on it yeah. So on friday i was, i actually kind of took the same trade that you did. Instead, i was short in the morning into the morning spike. I thought it was just good risk reward because it was gapping up on that day and as we like, we already saw before it crashed and it wasn't it didn't just it didn't.

Look like it was going to get over high day and if it were, i would have just cut very easily. But i took a short around 2 18 and i wanted to take more of like a patient, a patient's like approach, so i didn't cover any and just held into monday, just because, fundamentally and just as we've seen the chart history before it's shown that it can Have multiple red days, so that's what i was expecting and into the next day i got a little bit greedy, so i didn't take to. I didn't take too many off at around like 140s, but instead i just ended up taking it at 160, just because it was just holding too well going into power hours, so i thought maybe a power hour squeeze, because we don't really know where these can go. If there's so much hype behind it, so i just took my gains for like 12 000 but yeah.

That was my trade on it and then on the big panic day. I didn't really profit too much. I didn't really sell. I thought there could be like a bigger bounce than that and then i just didn't trade it again.

You were really patient. That's i didn't know you. I didn't know you were short in the morning and then covered. I mean you would pretty much short like two full days.

That's impressive! I couldn't, i wouldn't be able to done it and do it. If i was short in the morning, i 100 would have covered probably into this move. I wouldn't even have thought this move was going to come um but yeah, that's still a great game. 12K.

Like that's awesome, i like that a lot. You know - and i i remember telling myself today i was gon na short it and i guess in hindsight it would have been right, but i just i don't know um at some point, like the volatility leaves itself and it just i don't know trying to scalp It for 10 cents over three hours just didn't, seem worth it today, um, but uh. On this day it gets back to this day, um the dip. I wasn't as great like we said um and i only ca i mean the cool part is about like with such large runners like this, and so with so much volume.

You only have to take such a small piece of a move when i'm on a ticker sylvana like this to make money uh. You know in a big move like this. Yes, what i've wished to have made more than 13k on a day like this um totally, but in terms of because of how big the volume is, because because of how much volatility there was here, you know i didn't have to do too much to make that Much per se and - and i know, making 13 grand and saying i should have made more sounds like all right. You, you, rich a-hole or like, and i'm grateful for 13 grand.

You know um, but it just in terms of how i traded it. You know i took a loss in the morning shorted after it failed again covered it all. In the 270s didn't reassure and i kept telling myself a free short week story short. Then the short board comes out completely missed.

This short made this dip by and then one last small short here, and that was it um so caught. I would say a little less than half the move in terms of what was available, but even missing all even missing this main play even missing. Some of these reshore bounces even missing some of these, this longer long bounce and coming on 13k. It just shows like how great some of these when the supernova is here, how much opportunity can provide for you, especially if you know, if you're prepared to know what you're doing and, like i said, even missing, half the move, um and all the other trades.

I took on it like i'm up 60k on the ticker on the month, so that's like super great um super happy with that i mean. Theoretically, i know jack did this in the summer months, like i could just stop trading for us the month like, i just feel like you know what i'm done. Obviously, i'm not because i'm degenerate um but yeah i'll talk about this one um. So at this point with bryf, this stock was being pumped by one of the infamous ci pumper's friends, and i ended up seeing it and it was just trading absurd volume.

I think it was seven billion shares in the day, given it is a sub penny stock. I think it was trading around .003, so it is a sub penny stock, but nevertheless, seven billion shares is absolutely absurd. So i ended up seeing that and i ended up buying the dip back down towards um the morning highs there and i ended up getting long around like two seven two, eight three, i kind of averaged into it with like a 2 8, 2, 9 average and Ended up swinging 30 million shares overnight and we ended up getting a really really nice, 20 or 30 percent gap up and a nice morning spike as well. So i ended up scaling out into that, and that actually is about a 100 move from that dip low to that morning, high which it doesn't seem like it's that big of a move.

But it was that big of a move and it had an absurd amount of volume, so you could size pretty good into it and you didn't have to capture 100 if you captured 20, 30. 40. 50 of that move on okay size, like that was a great trade um. That was my best trade of the month so far i ended up blocking in like 30 grand on it and i think i'm up like 35k on the month or something like that.

Uh, like i said last week, i didn't really trade too much, but that's my best trade of the month so far, although i did uh hold on to a few shares on that, because i thought that with how high cei went, maybe they would pump this one To a penny but ended up taking that those shares off around three um held it for a while that yeah that next morning there sold those shares and moved on um i mean. Hopefully, this one comes back because it's a lot of fun and it has a lot of volume. It is kind of basing around that two level, but right now really not expecting too much from it. What i saw was, it was a friday and it was an otc.

It also held view op and it held morning highs like jack said, and it just into the monday gaps which are notorious so be great. So i thought it would be a good trade. I ended up taking some like right at the closing, maybe a like 350 or something like that and just holding for the next day, and it was a quick 30 percent for me. I, like that um i make the mistake sometimes of not picking some of these sub pennies, because i don't like subbedies uh, but there's only one one or then there's one like these.

Where i mean you just kill it like like, like you guys mentioned, this doesn't look like a bunch of move, but this is literally 100 move uh, which is crazy to think about um. Just super impressive. I what mari were you talking about? You know. I love the friday long into a morning gap of idea, because we that usually happens and that's what i did with so.

I thought i was going to do with ifxy here: um beautiful breakout on friday over 1.37 ish, i'm a 1.4 ish a little bit and logged it into the close because it was holding up holding the breakout level um closed right at its eyes i mean you, Couldn't have asked for more any more technical indicators to have it like look, really good and so come in the morning i was like all right we're. We should get at least this gap up, maybe even better, maybe even better a spike and i'll be able to sell our profit um. As you can see, that did not happen. Um i mean within, even though this is a one minute candle.

You know within 10 seconds of the open i mean this stock was was down below my entry, so i definitely took a loss in this and unfortunately it's one of those things where i i had two million shares, which isn't that much size considering how much volume Went through but it's just funny, i don't know if it's the market makers, i don't know the fills in general with ogcs or at least me and my size, and this in this particular example. But whenever i wanted to put my order in uh, it's like all the bits just disappeared. It's like poof they're gone so like instead of me, selling anywhere in this candle. I didn't i was and not able to fill until like 1-3 down here, which is okay, because that was my original risk on friday anyway.

So i it's not like. I took a bigger loss than expected, but it does suck seeing like a a two grand unrealized profit and then having to lose three grand on it. Like a full 5k swing. Um, you know what happens.

I've been there, but just it's just disappointing and that's why i think my theme at least for this month is i've enjoyed listed stocks more just because i've made more money from them and i don't have to deal with these fills on otcs um granted. Does that mean i'll stop trading with he's oh disease, absolutely not like um we're gon na keep doing that. You know and like like we mentioned, i think last podcast or last episode like the market will come back when it comes back. Opportunities will be back and volume will be back and i think we'll be all ready to rock and roll for um for next time.

Um. I have one more remark i want to make about cei before we close it out, um, specifically to like the environment that cei created on, like our our online community of twitter, of just financial twitter right there was like this massive war. You know you can call it a war of like long swords or shorts, and everyone who was long cei was like part of this full-on movement of like we're going to squeeze shorts. Like amc, gme type kind of thinking - and i just want to say like i think it's so silly, because if you know who i am i'm a short so you're gon na be like, of course you of course you hate the longs kyle, because you're an evil Short seller, yada, yada yada, and it's not that it's like i made money on cei-long.

I think it's not longs versus shorts. I think it's traders versus investors, because there's just too many people, like we just mentioned earlier on the podcast that got crushed believing in cei and now they have either losses or no money to like transfer and keep trading to the next runner, where we, whereas us We do so it's one of those things where i don't care. If you make money long or short, just as long as you make money right uh, i don't wish losses anybody, but when you hold and hope and you wish and dream and then you get crushed like on cei, which again seems extreme but the reality is these Types of end like ends to these supernovas do happen. Um, then you have losses because you believed in the company - and you didn't really do your due diligence or you didn't, have your own trade plan or you had no trade plan right.

You just you just gambled, and so i think that's the kind of the point i want to end. At least for me, for this episode is like for me: it's just trading versus investing. It's like don't be a believer like under truly understand what you own um. I don't care if you make long money, long or short as long as you're, making money and you're trading it and you're, not believing the hype and - and you end up getting crushed and some people don't even know.

Why, like they're, still in belief that this is a good company and they're like just baffled like they, don't understand why it's at 140? Right now, you know so just don't be one of those guys like don't like i don't know. I could be wrong. This could go higher, but i just i've seen this too many times where it's like just just trade. It don't believe it because 99 of time you will be disappointed um.

I don't know if you guys in the ad or anything you want to close out with, but uh that was my little spiel for today um this month. I think it's one of it's been like one of my months. I haven't really forced so many trades and i think it's really important to not force the hot market, because i feel like i've been in this mindset the whole summer. It's like it's gon na get hot.

It's gon na get hot, i'm not gon na miss it, but when it does get hot we will know and like we will, we will be able to take the trades when they're there, but not force it, because it's just it's just not worth it. There's like just emotionally and mentally it's very important to keep intact, because if you keep like getting burnt out then when the hot market does come, then you're going to be too burnt out for the hot month. So it's really important to just keep the mind clear and we will recognize when the market is hot but not try and force it. I think it's what i've been trying to work on the most this month.

Just take it easy. Take it one trade at a time but realize that when it does, we will know all that yeah. I like what both of you guys said. Kyle brought up a great point of the investors versus the traders and i totally agree and what would with mari said as well.

Um i'd like to add a little bit onto that and then finish out on something that i was thinking about: kyle's ifxy trade. So basically, what mario's saying about like how we're gon na know like when it's hot and right now, it's just not hot, and i'm gon na make a point on cei like cei, wasn't like a usual listed nasdaq supernova. At least i felt because the day it tanked from 480 to three like nobody really made money that day and then, when it tanked from three to one like nobody really made money on that short on twitter like compared to gnus and hmny, and all these other. You know smdl and akd.

All these other people were so much more prepared and it happened so much cleaner and not like like ignite weird price action and personally, i think, like cei, was very weird um price action so, like nobody really banked on it, like traders, kyle did really well 60. Grand is great, but like this kind of opportunity, um, like should be like a six-figure trade for for most of us. In my opinion, with you know, a month-long run-up, like anything that like continuously, runs up for one month and it's a junkish company and people are bashing. It short and keeps going higher and has insane volume like those are really the trades that make us a large portion of our money, and i just think that nobody really nailed cei like perfectly and even like with the dip buy.

It was a short report that made a tank, and usually when you see short reports, come out, it's not just going to tank and fade off like it's usually going to have a big bounce back since it's so so bearish. But cei is just such a crap company that it couldn't bounce um anyway and there's so many longs in it and like when it is hot. We're going to be selling everything too soon. We're going to you know, start taking trades on the long side most likely and we're going to sell those into the gap ups in the morning and then you're just going to watch a trend all day, you're going to watch a gap of the next day.

Keep going up and that's really when you know like it's hot, when you start seeing people on twitter talk about otcs and everything's, going up um or if nasdaq stocks you start getting. You start seeing tweets about there's no nasdaq stocks like underneath the dollar like there's only 20 stocks left. You know that's really when it's truly hot um or bitcoin makes new highs. So that's kind of what i'm waiting for one of those kind of indicators and something about ifxy that i wanted to get off my tongue that i think, had a big factor in the lackluster gap.

Up on monday morning, when you usually see a lot of gap. Ups over the weekend, i think that columbus day was a big big impact on that trade, because there just felt like there was no volume in otc on monday morning. Nowhere - and i think that was due to it, was a holiday and i think nobody really wanted to wake up, and you know buy stocks that morning, because it was a quote-unquote holiday and some people even thought that the market was closed. So, just with all that going on, i think ifxy was a great trade um and on a different monday morning.

I think that gaps up and runs that's a great point. I didn't even think about that um because i also, i also saw on twitter, like a large group of people thinking the market was closed and it's like guys. It's open, it's open, but no, that's a great point like people just i think. In the end i fxy, i would take that trade 10 10 out of 10 times it's just not gon na work every time, so i totally agree um to kind of close this out.

I think some people are wondering like when the market's gon na actually heat up again, and i love what mary said. We'll know we'll know um just based on seasonality. You know we definitely taught. We definitely talked about this last episode um, but you know just because august and september were so slow.

I think that also at the same point, everyone maybe had more expectations or high expectations for october, like okay, now it's over like now, we can start heating up again and i think october november at least you know i and jack. You can talk about this because we've been through it, that's like it gets, it gets hotter, but it's still like you get a cei and then it's over and then you get another runner and it's over there's not this consistent like hot market, and i think that Doesn't really come until at least give us the best chance of coming until like december january february, um, so just if you're still struggling if you're still not like feeling like we're a hot market like again what mari said well, you'll know when you're low and until Then you might just have to wait for another month or two or three um so yeah. I remember like the back of my hand um last year it was thanksgiving week i mean in october it was lk and cy nwbo. You can go back and look at the charts, we had two good runners and then that was it, but those runners i personally traded them really well and it made a really good month in october, even though it was slow quote unquote.

The runners i capitalized on really well and the runners recently i have not capitalized on well um. I think it takes a lot of concentration and a lot of i think it's hard to really just master like one ticker, unless you're really really zoned in on it, and this year, like i, don't really care to like try like super super super hard. So that's why, like i think i haven't done really well and it's been a little bit more difficult than those other trades, but yeah like what kyle was saying is just usually it's like towards the end of november december january february, and it's usually like a six To 12 week period, where we're just gon na have uh constant play, if it's not, you know every day, every other day like it could even be like every hour every two hours like last year - and you know that's really the time to to step up to The plate and give it your all but like right now we're just staying alive, we're staying in tune, we're waiting to see what happens. You got anything to add mari, no, no nail it cool all right guys anyway.

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