Palantir stock is exploding after Q4 results, but I am not sure I share the optimism around PLTR.
In this video I will cover the Palantir Q4 results and share my analysis on PLTR stock.
$PLTR #pltr #palantirtechnologies
☕️ JOIN MY PATREON - DISCORD, BONUS VIDEOS, TARGET PRICES, MODELS & MORE
https://www.patreon.com/sashayanshin
💵 GREAT INVESTING APPS I USE
INTERACTIVE BROKERS (Global - Main investing app I use)
https://bit.ly/ibkr-sasha
GET A $10 BONUS WITH LIGHTYEAR (UK & Europe)
https://lightyear.app.link/SashaYanshin
You need to use promo code "Sasha" and the bonus is awarded after your first trade.
GET A FREE SHARE WORTH UP TO £100 WITH TRADING 212 (UK & Europe)
https://www.trading212.com/invite/FzYbCfTM
You need to sign up and make a deposit within 10 days to get a free share.
DISCLAIMER: Your capital is at risk.
DISCLAIMER: Some of these links may be affiliate links. If you purchase a product or service using one of these links, I will receive a small commission from the seller. There will be no additional charge for you.
DISCLAIMER: (For Lightyear affiliate link) The provider of investment services is Lightyear Financial Ltd for the UK and Lightyear Europe AS for the EU. Terms apply: golightyear.com/terms. Seek qualified advice if necessary. Capital at risk.
DISCLAIMER: I am not a financial advisor and this is not a financial advice channel. All information is provided strictly for educational purposes. It does not take into account anybody's specific circumstances or situation. If you are making investment or other financial management decisions and require advice, please consult a suitably qualified licensed professional.

Hey guys, it's Sasha Palantir report today Q4 Results last night and the share price went absolutely bananas and after hours trading as I'm recording this video the morning after, the stock is up 18 and I have looked through the numbers and listened to the earnings score and I am a little bit confused as to why everyone is so excited. the Palantir investor Community is jumping up and down with Joy If you want to go and watch the Rose tinted spectacle version of a review of the company, feel free to go and watch one of the usual Fanboy channels I am going to give you a rundown of the key data and share some insight and Analysis that goes a little bit deeper on Palantir I do not have any position in Palantir long or short and I have no financial interest here, so maybe that could make for a slightly more balanced bit of analysis. So the main point from the parenting results was the fact that Q4 was the first quarter on Panettiest History where they were profitable on a gap basis and this is the point. Apparently we're ramming home over and over on the earnings score and you see the first bullet point on the press release right here.

Palantir made a gap net income of 31 million dollars Gap earnings per share of one cent we celebrate. The problem is, if you look under the Bonnet the story looks a little different. so let's look at this in a bit more detail. Revenue for Q4 was 508.6 million dollars and all the media Outlets printed the same news story that this is a big beat apparently and I've heard pretty much all the people on social media say something I'm not sure what exactly it'd be because if you go and look at the Q3 press release the one before, you can see the pounds here themselves guided for Revenue 503 to 505 million dollars.

but if the Foreign Exchange impact wasn't there as much in Q4 then their guidance was for 508 to 510 million dollars and a foreign exchange headwind did turn around and largely go away towards the end of Q4. So the revenue is slap bang on expectations pretty much which is good in the current environment. A lot lot of companies out there are missing their earnings targets, missing their revenue growth quite a lot at the moment, so that's kind of good. But anyway, Revenue was 508.6 million dollars, which is 17.5 up on the same quarter in 2021, and right here.

before we look any further down the P L this is the first problem. Palantir's evaluation is very, very heavily based on future growth projections. The difference between growing at 30 or more than 30 in the future compared to Growing 15 or maybe 10 percent in the future is huge. We're talking orders of magnitude difference in what the valuation of the business would be.

Today's profit margin is an irrelevant metric. Everyone's jumping up and down because there's a one cent per share profit. There is absolutely zero difference between making one cent per share or losing one cent per share when your shares trade at nine Dollars and the growth of Palantir continues slowing down in a really bad way. Remember one in every single quarterly Earnings Palantir printed this line which said per long-term guidance policy as provided by a chief executive officer Alex Cup We continue to expect annual revenue growth of 30 or greater through 2025..
this line was printed in every single quarterly earnings report, but in the last three quarterly Updates this line has disappeared. It just got deleted as if it never was there. And the reason has been deleted is because growth has massively slowed down and is continuing to slow down, including in Q4 I Just went and wrote down all of the quarterly Revenue numbers available since Palantir went public in a spreadsheet. And here is the year-on-year growth chart for those quarters: I Know that Alice Carbon.

The Die Hard Palantir fans will dress this up on whichever way they want to, but the trend is certainly headed in a particular direction and the direction is not good and it is not looking at all. Likely in any sense when you look at this that they are likely to hit 30 growth through 2025.. the last report in which parent here promised the 30 growth per year was in Q1 2022 when the growth rate was 30.8 percent when they reported on the data and then that line was deleted immediately after the growth slowed down to under 30. And you can see why while we're in this topic of the Q1 guidance from Palantiris for Revenue to be between 503 and 507 million dollars, so that's between 12.7 and 13.6 percent growth year on year.

So another massive slowdown, even versus the quarter before Palantir is usually very accurate in forecasting the next quarter because they are a big B2B business where they pretty much know exactly which contracts they're going to be collecting money on this quarter. especially given that we are halfway through this next quarter already and their full year guidance is for around 2.2 billion dollars in Revenue, which is 17 growth year on year a big drop from the previous year, but I'm guessing the balancer is expecting some significant Improvement in growth towards the back end of the year because their annual growth Target is a fair bit higher than their Q1 forecast, but both of those are significantly lower than that original 30 goal. Anyway, looking through the piano, you can see two really interesting things. Now, the first one is that the operating costs have reduced considerably in Q4 as a proportion of Revenue.

As a result, the operational loss reduced from 59 million dollars in Q4 2021 to 18 million dollars in Q4 2022. So how did the operating costs fall so much? Well, you can see the answer a little lower down. Stock based compensation fell from 166.9 million dollars to 129.4 million dollars. Almost 40 million dollars, which pretty much makes up that entire Gap in the operating loss.

And if you look at the cash flow statement, you can see that the proceeds from the exercise of common stock options is pretty low as well. just 86 million dollars. Interesting right? Then you can go and look at the 10q submission for Q3 that's the latest one that's available as I'm recording this video, the latest 10K is not yet out and in that thank you you can see that the options that are vested and exercisable as as of September 30th have an average price of 5.61 and the ones that have invested yet the ones that are moving through intervesting have an average price of eight dollars. So the shares that have been investing in the last quarter are coming in at a price of around eight dollars.
and you can see that a lot of Q4 for a lot of it. The pound tier share price was sitting at below eight dollars. So there's two things happening here. First, if you're a Palantir employee and your options come to best, you have the right to go and buy the stock at that price now.

usually because you get given them shares a long time before they come to vest, the company has grown. In that time the share prices run. Then when it comes to go and pay, you're usually buying the shares at a huge discount and that's how employees get compensated. But here, employees are getting an absolutely deal because you can go and buy those shares on the open market for less money.

So if you wanted to go and buy some stock as an employee, you might as well do that instead. And even if you get a small discount on some of the days, you'll have to pay a chunk of the difference between the price of which you're buying and the strike, um, in tax. So there is that as well. You can see that in the first three quarters of 2022, only 16 000 options were exercised out of the 349 000 at the start of the year.

in the previous year when Palantir share price blew up and went to 25 or 30 or whatever. 179 000 out of the 536 000 options were exercise. Now you can see that when Palantir went public in 2020, the management awarded themselves 397.9 million options, an average price of 7.43 as part of the IPO and the average remaining contractual life on the options sitting on the books is eight and a half years, so Palantir is not continuing to dish out shares. There's no new options being added to this pool.

The fully diluted number is not getting any worse, which is good for shareholders. So all the people talking about Palantir can continuously diluting don't really know what they're talking about because the numbers just aren't showing it. But stock based compensation is calculated on an accrual basis. When you dish out a load of options to your staff, say at an eight dollar price over 10 years, you don't record the full amount that you've just given out a stock based compensation.

That's not how it works. you'll record 80 cents in the first year. for example, if it's a 10-year period, 80 cents in the second year, and so on. and so on.
If some of your staff leave before the stock vest, then they go and lose and forfeit the rights and you get some of that money back. So if you stock compensation in that case will drop. But if some of those options mature and drop off the books, then you stop paying those 80 cents a year on those shares because you've paid the 10 years worth of the 80 cents, right? And here is the data: In Q3 2021, Palantir had 334 and a half million options outstanding in Q4 2021 Penalty had just under 350 million options outstanding. So around 25 million options were exercised in Q4 4 of 2021 alone.

So when you're comparing stock based compensation in Q4 2022 to that previous year, the only reason really that it is falling pretty much is because in 2021, the number of options outstanding was much larger and the management was busy exercising those options at a massive discount compared to the share price at the time. In addition, you can see that Rsus granted during 2022 were being granted at 11.77 on average with that number coming down through the year. So the number in Q3 and the number in Q4 when that report comes out is going to be substantially lower. Well, when you look at the same Rsus being given the year before, they were being dished out at Double The value those Rsus you can see are being recognized over a three-year period, so the new RSU is being granted are significantly reducing the cost of stock based compensation just because of the price reducing.

The point here is that the drop in stock based compensation has nothing at all to do with what Palantir is currently doing. They're not changing their strategy. There's no difference to their approach to options issuance in. it's just a factor of the vesting periods of the original options given out way back when and a combination of that with the current share price.

So going back to the P L parents here actually lost money on their operations. The core business is still not profitable, although it is getting pretty close. It's probably going to hit operational profitability I'm guessing at some point in the next few quarters, but then you can see the penalty made: 11 million dollars net in interest income. Not surprising because the balance sheet has 2.6 billion dollars in cash and cash equivalents with the interest rates where they are at the moment.

I'm guessing they're going to be making a heck of a lot more interest income in 2023. but the one thing that made Parents here profitable is this mysterious 44.6 million dollars in other income. There are no footnotes here, no explanation as to what it is, but I Looked at the cash flow statement and there is a 44.3 million dollars from Step acquisition recorded. and further down in the financing section, there is a 66.7 million dollars from business combinations I checked and neither of those lines was there in Q3 so these just turned up in Q4 a step.
acquisition is an accounting term for getting a bump in your profit numbers artificially when you buy out a controlling stake in a company where you already own shares before in a company, but not above the controlling level. I Haven't seen the 10K form yet. Maybe the details are going to be in there as to exactly what this is. Maybe some Palantir fans already know and are going to say in the comments.

but Palante is only profitable in Q4 because of this accounting trick in buying a controlling stake in one of the companies that we're already invested in. And by the way, Palantir lost 272 million dollars in 2022 from their marketable Securities which is incredible because the balance sheet only has 35 million dollars remaining in marketable Securities on the books. So Palantine managed to lose 90 percent of their investments in Spax in one year. A truly astoundingly dumb way to waste money off the shareholders.

And yes, I said the exact same thing when they first made those Investments on on the very first earnings score after that happened because it was extremely obvious at the time given the massively speculative nature of those Investments and the type of companies that were piling money into those companies just happened to be penalty or shareholders. So penalty was giving them money so that they can then go and buy their services. I'm not going to go into the details I have shown in my model before I'm for Palantir and explain how massively sensitive it is to the rate of growth in Revenue if the rate of growth Falls to 15 this year and then maybe it falls a little bit more. the difference in valuation to growing at 30 or above is huge now.

I Also, really don't like how Palantir massages the data that they present because it shows signs of dishonesty in a presentation apparently Go and show all their positives and completely ignore and often delete charts that are negatives. I'm not going to go through a huge amount of detail I Talked about this before in the presentation penalty for example, show that U.S Revenue grew by 32 percent. It's the very first chance. Sounds great except if you ask Revenue grew by 32 percent in 20 22 and the overall Revenue only Grew by 24.

And if you read between the lines, it means that Revenue outside the US is not growing I Just did the math using my calculator. It means that the revenue outside the US only grew by 12 and this is a problem for palancy's growth. Ambitions The US market is Big Sure, I get it, but there are only so many super large clients, especially government clients that will want to buy Palantir software and growth outside the US continues to stall. If Palantir want to continue growing at significant rates for long periods of time in the future, this trend is really not helping that, then look at this slide.

It says a commercial customers Grew From 147 in Q4 2021 to 260 in Q4 2022 An incredible result. But then on the right it says that the revenue per top 20 customer grew 13 as well. And it looks like from the juxtaposition of those two pieces of data that the number of customers is growing and the revenue per customer is growing as well. Well, right? Well, except this slide is hugely misleading because on the left they are showing you commercial customers and on the right it's total customers including government ones.
They are just put next to each other to present a massively inaccurate picture because on a different slide, you can see the commercial Revenue grew by 29 in 2022 and again I just went and did the math and it means that the average revenue per commercial customer is not up 13 like the slicer Jess is actually down 30 from 4.4 million to 3.2 million. That's a massive problem because it sounds like Palantir has picked up all the low-hanging fruit with the commercial customers already or at least many of the low hanging fruits. Now the new customers the parents here is acquiring are billing much much less than the old ones, bringing the average return per commercial customer down and that average number is dropping off fast. The reason this is a problem is that in order to get any meaningful long-term growth in Revenue you and Commercial being the area where they can expand, they will have to add a huge number of commercial customers very fast to offset that reducing Revenue per customer Factor And this is why I Personally don't have a position in Palantir I used to, but I don't The company has a rock solid balance sheet.

There's not going to be any financial problems at any time soon. There's nothing like that. but I Just don't see any upside currently in the valuation. This situation is only just getting worse.

I Don't see what the growth that has to happen to justify the valuation is going to come from. They're already saying that this coming year they're only expecting to grow by whatever it is 15 or 17 percent. If you found this video useful, please don't forget to smash the like button for the YouTube algorithm. Thank you so much for watching I Really appreciate it and as always I'll see you guys later Foreign.


By Stock Chat

where the coffee is hot and so is the chat

35 thoughts on “Palantir stock has a big problem – q4 earnings update”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars kj law says:

    If Palantir and PayPal are related..
    I guess Palantir can reach price target of USD30 easily

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars MarcusAntonius21 says:

    Thanks for your neutral deep dive Sasha, I really appreciate it. 👍

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars r Negoro says:

    I bought palantir just before earnings. After the earnings release : I read the earnings and i wasn't impressed. Because the operating earnings are still negative. revenue growth was very low .
    Either ways, i was shocked pltr went up. I sold the next day.

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars alvin harp says:

    Current economic conditions are not great for growth. In fact not many companies are growing and are not profitable right now largely because of the overall economy. SPAC's account for only a tiny amount of Palantir revenues, one year gains or losses aren't significant overall. Palantir's has only scratched the surface. I think you're just trying to justify getting out of Palantir. I do appreciate your opinion. You're a smart guy, but there are plenty of smart guys that totally disagree with you. I've lost a lot of money with FVRR, but haven't sold my shares and they've been going up lately so only down %44.25 as of today. As of today I'm only down %18.90 with PLTR. I didn't buy TSLA in 2021 or 2022. Shares were too expensive for me, but I did load up at $134 this year and real happy to hold for at least the next 5-10 years.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Vida Exitosa says:

    This guy have been telling you to sell stocks for past fee months in all his videos during the past few months WHILE stocks like Tesla and PLTR have been doubling in price. 😂 what a 🤡

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jesse says:

    Bought palantir at $40 and sold at $6 just take the L dude. If you follow this guy maybe you should think twice.

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Steve Kowalski says:

    LOL, Palantir over $10 today

    The market laughs at such rational arguments!

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Joe Kuo says:

    Great analysis. Can you make a more detailed video on how stock-based compensation and dilution work?

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars AP says:

    Cool haircut! 🙃Great video! Looks like a good opportunity to trim a little PLTR.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars ndr Luk says:

    I don't care what he's saying, do the opposite

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Barát Gábor says:

    For some reason first I heard "roses and testicles version"

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Chamster says:

    Thanks for covering Palantir despite not having a position. Definitely need help discovering deeper meanings behind those accounting numbers.

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Justin Rander says:

    I just shorted PLTR for the first time at $9.94. Retail Palantir investors are the biggest morons I have ever seen in 15 years of investing. Don't even care that growth is evaporating.
    If it wasn't obvious before it is painfully obvious now that most retail Palantir investors follow news headlines and couldn't read a balance sheet if their life depended on it.

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jose Quesada says:

    Best analysis for palantir on YouTube I’ve seen. Thanks

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Shay Johnson says:

    If you’re Tom Nash you’ll be wiping just a little egg 🥚 off your face but it’s a long way from the ridiculous price of $18 many we’re buying in at. Nobody appears to get it, that we have a long way to fall yet, even you sweet child 😆 You run a variation of hype & Burry. Hard to figure you out.

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Art says:

    Much appreciated. The best analysis of PLTR on youtube.

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jamie Mewburn-Crook says:

    Anyone else want Sasha and Tom Nash to sit down and discuss Palantir – it would be great to see the difference in their analytical inferences

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars RunningMan says:

    I'll stick with Tesla, can't get my head around PLTR.

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Raccoon says:

    so sell everything and buy PLTR stock then

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mi Nor says:

    Very solid points.

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Cizzy1983 says:

    Hei Sasha! Thanks for the deep analysis, I keep on holding, I see the good and the bad in this company 🙏 keep on posting this kind of content

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars magices says:

    Hi Sasha, thanks for your analysis but I think you are also kind of biased. I guessed probably you would use the British expression "bananas" (it always make me think of shameful British colonial past…) to refer to the price action, as if was something crazy or such, but I think it was a normal adjustment in a growth stock that just turned profitable. As long as I can see you are a tanlented analyst and you point out weak spots in the results, I still believe PLTR showed decent growth and it is good investment long-term. Sorry to say, but from what I saw in your videos, you took PLTR somewhat personally and I feel you are a bit chagrinned for having sold out of it before this improvement happened. As a growth investor you should have shown more patient instead of accepting a loss that quickly just because you disliked the hairy guy presentations. This is probably because many YouTubers took PLTR as an idol that eventually gets broken and destroyed, instead of like an human company that has some genuine value and some mismanagement practices which can, nonetheless, be cured and improved. Honestly, I think in 5 years time I will make more money on this stock that you will make on your Fiverr, which is not as near disruptive and innovative. Thanks for your honesty, Sasha, like a true Russian you speak from your heart.

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Daniel N. says:

    Great job. Thank you.

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars CH Ho says:

    I have a long position on PLTR. Yes, it is bleeding. But I rather hear both sides of the story than to live with my blind spots. Unfortunately they didn't really explain the cause of the lower average revenue per commercial customer. There may be good reason whey they didn't to manage new customer expectations. Good to hear your views nontheless. Thank you for your honest take on the results, Sasha.

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Gamer Dell says:

    this company confuses me

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Daniel O Neill says:

    Great analysis. I agree although I have only started watching the stock since it has been beaten up so badly. It's probably too early to take a punt on it. I think that to invest in it, you have to buy into the idea that they have reached some kind of tipping point. I watched my first earnings call yesterday and I don't think I have ever seen an earnings call where people get on stage and start bitching about their co-workers. I know the two guys at the start were just trying to be funny but not really what you expect to see in an earnings call. The funniest thing was the silence in the audience. I was wondering how you would feel sitting there watching it if you have bought the stock at $30 per share.

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jakob Rassi says:

    People are probably just buying into the hype of AI stock, thats why a lot of the AI stocks have been making large upside waves.

  28. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars stockRage says:

    This seems like the worst period.
    Even the market are now very unpredictable. Started invêsting recently when the market prices were a bit high,today I am more than 60% down!

  29. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Richard says:

    People like this host just provides lip service.

  30. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mer Bal says:

    you have a big problem!

  31. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars vas thefox says:

    Thanks for your insight Sasha.

  32. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars affe gorilla says:

    Looking forward to Fiverr earnings in feb 22✌🏻

  33. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jim says:

    Another load of click bait Crap Sasha

  34. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Florida Man says:

    Where the fuck are you? Looks like a job center

  35. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Gavin says:

    Hey Sasha, in the footnotes of the slideshow there is a footnote that explains the step-acquisition. It’s from a small line that was released in their recent announcement with SOMPCO in Japan. There is a reference to something called “DX” that is referenced twice and is my best guess as to what this step-acquisition is.

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.