Welcome back to another episode of well Me Kevin goes live to talk about crazy stuff going on in the world. Donald Trump has just walked into the New Yorker court building. He was potentially expected to talk outside of the building. He did not.

He just walked right in. I'll go ahead and play what that shot looked like so you could see it. He has an appointment there. uh in about uh, 44 minutes.

Uh, we expect the arraignment process could end up going pretty dang fast. Uh, the big thing that we're looking for here is what are the charges. So as you can see on screen here from NBC no finger or sorry, no mug shot, no handcuffs, they will process Donald Trump and uh, then uh, he will be uh, moved from that booking area to the Uh judicial uh courtroom where uh, a judge will read the charges off to Donald Trump There is a chance there will be a break for uh, the uh defense Donald Trump's team to read over the actual indictment which could actually be quite long Donald Trump Uh So far this morning has been extremely active on Truth Social. We'll go up and, uh, pull a little bit of this up in just a moment.

Extremely active on Truth Social to the point where uh, he's he's been attacking the judge and the judge's family in part because one of the releases reported on Donald uh on Donald Trump's judge. Here is that the judge's daughter potentially worked for the Biden campaign. The Biden Harris campaign potentially had uh, the uh, the daughter of the judge as a candidate. uh, uh, or as as sort of a a candidate helper, political helper or something like that.

Apparently it's uh, she is a partner at authentic campaigns and at some point in the past had a work history history on her LinkedIn which included working for the Biden Harris campaign which of course Donald Trump and uh Trump Jr jumped on arguing that this is all set up, that essentially everyone is hand-picked here. you'll see Donald Trump there he is sort of in the middle there walking. Uh, no statement from Donald Trump this was just moments ago Donald Trump gave No statement to the public Uh, pretty much every single a police officer an Ny A PD in the New York Police Department is present, uh in New York uh and uh, and on duty today. Uh and uh.

So far, everything seems pretty pretty relaxed. Uh, again, we're waiting for that indictment to come out now. so uh, let's listen in here to see what uh NBC is suggesting. And uh, then we're going to go through some of the truth social posts as well while we wait for the indictment.

Let's see here, let's fast forward a little bit. There we go. over the last couple of weeks since we first reported that security was being ramped up and preparation was underway for the Grand jury to act. Uh, it has been hundreds and hundreds of threats that have been filing in So Uh, the security precautions.

Understandable and understandable why the President had what amounted to from 109 PM when he left Trump Tower he made it down to and walked into that building at 124. that's 15 minutes on a normal day in New York City You're lucky if you make it in 45 minutes to an hour. Well, we will. Uh, we may or may not see him in front of that camera shortly.

but apparently he is still communicating via truth. so so let's go to. Kristen Walker Kristen What do you know? Lester This was posted just moments ago from the former President on his Truth Social website. Let me read it to you, he says heading to lower Manhattan The courthouse seems so surreal.

Wow, they are going to arrest me. Can't believe this is happening in America Naga. In all caps, this is significant Lester because it is consistent with the line of attacks that we have seen from. Mr Trump Against this entire process, this is consistent with the line of attacks we have seen from his other.

GOP Rivals Really trying to make the case that this is a political persecution against the former president, but look. I Spoke to a source close to the former President who said to me, the President sees this as a really tough couple of days. Let's not forget yes, politically speaking, he is using this moment to try to Galvanize his supporters and his base. but he is still facing an indictment, some 30 charges that we are waiting to see what exactly they Yeah, and it's important to think about that he.

He has not had this much attention for his campaign since he announced his campaign almost a year ago. That's pretty incredible because he announced his campaign. Uh uh, I mean potentially free announced his campaign. It was the first one to announce uh and uh I Don't think his campaign has as much media coverage as it does now and a lot of people who have dare I say sort of cast aside Donald Trump as I'm gonna part ways with Donald Trump potentially as a Republican or potentially rejuvenated to be attracted back to Donald Trump because of what's being seen as sort of a politicized uh witch Hunters Donald Trump Describes: Let's take a look at the truth Social posts here for a moment.

So this is the Uh heading to the Lower Manhattan The courthouse seems to real post that we just heard read: Let's uh, go through some of these others here. Uh, when you see rhinos, oops, there we go social. being a little buggy, uh, like uh, Karl Rove Bill Barr or Paul Ryan on your television screen. just turn to a different station or turn off your set.

You're better off watching the Democrats ouch uh, why does Fox keep putting on Bill Barr As Attorney General, he was a complete coward who was absolutely petrified of being impeached while the Democrats threatened to do until he became uh, their virtual slave and refused to investigate and prosecute the massive election fraud that took place in the 2020 election campaign where 2020 presidential election of course remember Dominion Uh, Dominion is currently being uh, sued or uh, sorry, Dominion is doing the suing Dominion Voting Machines is suing Fox News for covering the election uh, fraud in a way that sort of implied that Dominion was that fault for the election fraud and Bloomberg Intelligence provides a 70 chance that Dominion will win that case and potentially win 350 to 500 million dollars of Damages Uh for uh, for the reputation damage against Dominion voting machines. Let's listen to Fox for a moment laid out by them. you know when you consider Brian that he was appointed by then Mayor Bloomberg to the Family court in 2006. Judge Merchant's life and his caseload is certainly uh, taking a turn.

uh for the more uh I guess um, greater public visibility as well as notoriety here. Wow, now at this arraignment: Brian this is Jillian We know that in order for Trump to receive these charges today at the courthouse, what went on preceding this is that at least 12 out of the 23 Grand jurors assigned to this case had to agree there was enough material evidence to press forward. Um, with this case. Yeah, and remember, it's important that when we think of a grand jury, a grand jury is a group of people who decide whether or not to bring charges.

and then a jury different from a grand jury will determine if uh, you are indeed guilty or not. You could also have a bench trial where a judge would make that decision. Uh, now. Um, Marjorie Taylor Green was asked via the Financial Times by the New York mayor to please behave at the protests in New York Apparently she only uh, stayed outside for about a minute long enough for uh, some social media posts.

At least that's what's being reported right now on Bloomberg as Donald Trump is being processed inside the uh, uh, the the court facility here. When this arraignment is done, we'll relay to the rest of us into the world what was said, and we're going to send a producer to the court clerk and try to get a copy of that indictment. We have no indication that it's going to be handed out to the Press uh, willy-nilly for instance. uh, you know, just given to anybody who shows up to court.

But as soon as we get a sense of that indictment, we'll be able to go through those charges and be able to finally verify what's been reported for as long for over the last couple of weeks. And Jillian one more. Point New York Law states that if you were to break a gag order and if that were to be implemented by the judge, it would be a thousand dollar fine and up to 30 days in prison or both. but that again, obviously extremely hypothetical.

We don't know what's going to happen, but I Just wanted to clarify that in the sense of what kind of punishment we're talking about here in New York Just want to flag for our viewers what you were seeing. There was a head-on shot of the President for the first time. He gave a fist bump to the crowd after he got out of the limo before he headed uh inside the courthouse. Uh, Brian You know, stick with us.

We'll come back to you shortly. Switch for a moment in Alexandria Virginia Three miles from the Pentagon and we assembled a fair jury. Again, folks on the jury had heard of 9 11 of course and maybe even had known of somebody who lost somebody in that horrific attack. What you're looking for are jurors who will listen to the judges.

All right, this is, uh, more. uh, grand jury selection process. Let's jump over. Let's try to give some balanced View and uh, see if we can get a little bit of that here.

Yeah, fairly sizable, popular whoops. Uh, this one. onto the cameras and make a brief day. Ton has not done so obviously we're still.

We just got here so we're just waiting on you to come up here. I Will say as we're talking about the processing here looks like I was told before this that as they were discussing the logistics of the actual choreography visit, Trump had expressed some interest in actually having his mug shot taken. Obviously, they have been doing a lot of this through the lens of, um, what it would look like when it comes to the 2024 campaign, how to use their advantage when it comes to fundraising and they believe having that mug shot taken could actually be beneficial to them technically. so we don't know that that's happening obviously.

But that is part of the mindset into how they're not just from a legal perspective, but also from a campaign. In a political perspective, we'll see what it is he says before cameras, His attorneys, his legal teams, and his age have been obvious concerned that it could be something that could maybe not help this case in this situation. That's interesting how they were basically debating hey, should we have a mug shot or not I don't think it would be a good idea to have a mug shot I Don't think a good mug shot is ever a good thing. Every panel in there and say can you be fair even if you have an opinion on Donald Trump can you be fair and look I I don't I'm not the lawyer that Turley and McCarthy are.

but my advice to the President if you're complaining about pre-trial publicity, having a rally could possibly undercut that if your argument is there's just too much pre-trial publicity, then having a press conference at a rally may actually be contributing to the pre-trial publicity. Um, Trey Let's talk about the charges that are hopefully going to be unsealed imminently. We don't know what is in them. As you rightfully pointed out, a lot of uh, sort of finger pointing has been based on speculation to date.

Um, but we know, Um, thanks to court leaks. Uh, direct to Fox News Channel That Um, there are at least 30 distinct charges. One of them is reportedly a felony. Um, what types of charges could be included Here We know that all eyes are on the alleged hush money payments to Stormy Daniels.

There's been some reporting. Um, there could be charges related to Karen McDougall as well other kinds of business dealings. Possibly what is the likeliest scenario to your legal mind? Oh gosh, I'm terrible at speculating, but but my guess would be uh, because the way prosecutors minds work is they think if I don't have great facts, let me at least have a bunch of counts. So it might be 34 different instances of Michael Cohen being reimbursed for legal expenses.

uh, by the former President. If it's 34 discrete fact patterns, 34 different Stormy Daniels and Mcdougall's then that may be a challenge. That's a good point. That's a really good point.

Is this just 34 counts of nonsense? Uh, all right, like basically the same thing attacked many different ways. Everybody's waiting for this indictment. We just want to see what the charges are. Come on.

Yahoo says it's 34 counts of falsifying business records, but is it just versions of the same thing? It's a good point trumped up charges. pardon the pun Uh, let's go to Andy McCarthy Trey because you you mentioned him and and I I know that you weren't a young lad when Aaron Burr was tried. you were in law school at the time as I recall uh but Trey makes the point Andy that uh, an impartial jury was found for that trial Canon impartial jury be found uh for Donald Trump I I think since Hamilton the play came out, everybody knows who Aaron Burr is so this day and age you might have a harder time uh, getting that impartial jury. But but seriously, I think this is a big issue I appreciate what Trey said.

but I don't know anybody who doesn't know Donald Trump and hasn't formed an opinion of one way or the other. Well, well John I appreciate you and Trey because my sons think I was at the trial of Socrates Okay, so I'm going to back off their opinion for a moment I just want to say like I I don't know I think it's possible I Think it's absolutely possible to find an impartial jury I Know it'll be difficult, but um I mean I just try to put myself in my shoe, in in the shoes of a potential juror. Uh, obviously I'm not. but I think all of us could do that and uh, maybe not all of us.

Maybe some of us are like hell no. I'd never do it in his show, right? But but I think there are a lot of us who could be pretty impartial uh, on a jury I don't know. Then again, that's the the tough thing is everybody has some kind of preconceived bias. you know? I personally I Love Donald Trump when he was on the original Apprentice I thought he was an inspiration.

uh then Celebrity Apprentice became a little bit more of a clown show. That was my opinion. Uh, but uh, you know, and then then you know some some things uh, uh, were good and some things were not so good during his presidency. Just trying to sum that up.

but uh yeah, it makes you wonder like how much have people's biases been affected by. Uh, really, just the drama of the last? Uh, I mean almost what? Seven seven plus years here of Trump politics? I mean since he started campaigning probably eight years, it's a good point. It's a fair point. it's listening over here.

One of the big questions we all have once we actually see the document is what is their theory of the case and is there anything there? Um, that's new? Is there any fresh evidence? You know we understand. They said you subpoenaed a number of different records They had a number of different Witnesses in front of this grand jury. That's all under seal. It's all supposed to maintain a secret process to protect the Integrity of um, the investigation and so I'm looking for in that indictment.

Is there anything other than a falsification of business records charge? Is there a conspiracy related charges? Their banking? Is there tax fraud? and we know that his former Chief Financial Officer Alan Weiselberg actually pled guilty, uh, to tax fraud and falsifying business records? Uh. The very issue that we think is at the center of this case. and so we need to see. sort of.

how do they explain their theory of the case and what's their legal hook? We've talked for days about how normally this would be a misdemeanor charge, right? How are they going to elevate it to a felony? What's their hook there you need to have? Yeah, well, we've actually heard that hook in the explanation for that many times. I'm going to hop to uh, Truth Social, but I'll quickly explain the hook. It's very simple. It's that New York has a code the sex Penal Code 175 and it says if you falsify business records that is a missed demeanor that would be like saying hey, um you know um my boss said uh, that's seven hundred dollars was a business expense okay and then let's make up a fake receipt to justify that.

That would be falsifying business records. The boss gets in trouble. The employee could use that as a defense that it was. My boss told me to do it and that's a misdemeanor charge.

Now if that falsification of a business record now potentially helped cover up that. there was another, uh, you know, crime that occurred like potentially those seven hundred dollars. That 700 business expense wasn't actually business expense, it was under money as an example, right? Well, now you've got two crimes and so you could Elevate the falsifying of business records to a class E Felony in New York which is the lowest form of a felony and the big frustration obviously in the political uh regime right now of. well, America Is that what the hell New York You guys downgrade 50 of your felonies, including people who have literally killed other people.

You were downgrading felonies left and right. You, uh, essentially convict. You earn convictions on about 28 of your felonies, you earned convictions on just 25 of your misdemeanors, and you're supposed to somehow now be elevating misdemeanors to felonies against. Donald Trump Let's see the evidence because so far it seems politicized Fair Points on both sides.

So what do we got right here on? uh, Truth Social. What we've got is very unfair venue with some areas that voted one percent. Republican Do keep in mind that in the 2020 Presidential election and the 2016 presidential election, the votes were 76 and 78 for Democrats Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden and Donald Trump was in the mere 14 to 18 percent range during those elections. So yes, Manhattan is substantially left-leaning so one of a voter rolls point of view 100 highly.

Democratic Uh uh. Estate, uh, left-leaning or should I say uh uh uh, District or or however we want to call it Manhattan City the city with five bureaus anyway. Burroughs Burrows Gosh Kevin get your English right? Anyway, we keep going here. What are the five? No, no, no, No.

Manhattan Queens Bronx Okay, anyway, let's keep going here. Uh okay. very unfair venue with uh, some areas that voted one percent. Republican The case should be moved to a nearby Staten Island That would be very fair and a secure location for the trial.

Additionally The highly partisan judge and his family are well-known Trump haters. He was an unfair disaster on the previous Trump-related case. Keep in mind that was the Trump Organization tax fraud case. Oh, let's see if we get a shot of Uh Trump here.

Hold on a sec. Pass through in front of this one so they'll pass through, but the courtroom I believe is behind those black out windows so he's going to come out of the elevator Bank Make a quick turn and go into the back corner courtroom if it, if that is still the 15th floor courtroom that they are using. So as you see that is a cool camera that has been positioned uh, front and center for all news media to share and so it'll be a very quick shot of the former President going into that cool. If he wants to say anything, he can walk to that extension and we were told they are preparing for that possibility.

but we are hearing from the defense side that there is no plan for him to speak at the courthouse that they plan to leave right away get to. LaGuardia Airport He wants to get back to Florida as quickly as possible to prepare for his Prime Time 8 15 PM Speech announcement, press Conference: Uh, to talk about what has happened. All right? Let me ask you about these indictments and and the way that they are made available to not only the council but to the media. You've covered a lot of trials in that.

Courthouse How does that typically work? How long before we might see something in heaven in our hands Really right now? Because of the way the judge has restricted access and the way the court works, you have to get hard copies from the clerk's office after the hearing. It takes a while so we're at the mercy of the District Attorney's office right now to email us the hard copy of the charging dock. You know it's really bull crap like. Let me just say it.

At this point. the indictment should be out like this is It's I I Don't want curse cover the children's ears but I Gotta do it. It's the indictment isn't out yet. This is ridiculous.

Uh I I Don't understand. if are they trying to get them out of here first because they're worried the indictment is gonna, you know, have something in it that's kind of like people don't believe or whatever and there's some kind of uh uh, reason for uh uh, risking a protesters. I I It just seems ridiculous that it's not out yet. Some highlights of the main charges: There'll be some back and forth on the calendaring of the next court hearing, which is probably in May or June as the Uh: whether there'll be any admonishmentary from the judge regarding public statements regarding this case, all to be determined and Garrett will be in the courtroom.

Melissa Russo Wnbc will be in the courtroom. Uh, there are 60 seats for reporters in the actual courtroom, 200 seats in the Overflow rooms. but it's going to be a little while before we see the actual document. We're at the mercy of the D.A And when they press send on the email or posts foreign, it's just not the New York court system.

The way it's set up. it's just not. You know it's not Pacer It's not the uh, uh, a federal system or some of the other state systems. uh, it is a bit slower.

And because the judge has not allowed cameras in and he's not allowing any sort of communication from why why would you not allow cameras in like there should be cameras there. If this, this should not be uh uh oh, let's hide from cameras. That's another thing that's just bull crap to email out and usually they email it as soon as the hearing ends. So that's when I would expect the email to come because to date, the District Attorney's office has been following what he does in other cases he's doing in this case which is I'm not unsealing early even though there's enormous public interest.

even though the court was on standby the day the indictment came by, that they were willing to entertain a motion from the D.A to unseal right away. the D.A said no I am going to handle this like any other case and they wait until the defendant appears in court, then literally the unsealing the envelope gets handed to the judge and or the clerk and it gets taken out and now it is public. And that's when this document first becomes public in that Manhattan Obviously he is getting special treatment. Keep in mind what he just described is just a BS political process that could easily be modified.

just like everything else here. Look, he is the President, former President of the United States He's surrounded by Secret Service agents. so is he a Flight Risk. He's the most recognizable man on the planet, so there's no need for a mug shot at this time.

Whether they changed their mind when he came in and and the the capability we were told was put in place originally, we're told it may not have been in place, it was made to be put in place in case they changed their mind. But in terms of much of what we're seeing today is for the security reasons uh associated with this case, both for again the president and the judge and the DA's and the surrounding Community to make that building a fortress to make sure it is safe and secure for everyone involved and to get the President in and out, former President in and out as quickly as possible. So that is the logic certainly behind the court officers, the Secret Service, the NYPD and everything you've seen in terms of quote, special treatment, the logic. Again, you have to go back.

There have been a ton of threats uh, unsubstantiated, but a ton of threats associated with this case. So far okay, there's just now a note coming through that potentially the daughter of that Manhattan judge did not only work for the Biden Harris Administration which potentially also uh worked with the Congressional Campaign of a Democrat Adam Schiff who's a representative. He was also one of the folks involved in the impeachment of Donald Trump but then again, most Democrats were so uh, clearly seems like she's a democratic strategist, so probably the list of Democrats she's worked for is very long. Uh, at this point, it's kind of like all right, All right, we get it.

but it is a little weird, right? because it's the daughter of the judge. Anyway, during the grand jury investigation with the grand jurors and forming the indictment, it has been the advantage to the DEA because the D.A can take all of the information that the D.A knows and can craft the indictment in such a way that as much evidence as possible is going to come in at this trial. So if a conspiracy is charged if tax fraud is charged, if if the McDougall hush money payment is charged in addition to the Stormy Daniels hush money payments, this enables the DA's office, the prosecutors to bring in and as much evidence as they want if it relates to charges that are actually in the indictment. One of the most important things that a judge has to roll on is what evidence comes in at trial, and if these events are actually charged in the indictment.

if a broader case is charged, keep in mind these McDougall payments are for potential payments of a hundred fifty thousand dollars to a former Playboy model Karen McDougall which uh, presently information regarding that remains under seal so we'll see what gets unsealed here. Uh, let's pop over for a moment to this: View The judge is supposed to be this judge. Uh, March And at least that's what the Trump people have put out. Uh, and it should be a quick proceeding because it's a formal indictment, this will be an arraignment.

Uh, when people are arrested on a police complaint, they call that a presentment and you don't have to enter a plea. But here he's indicted. so that will be a formal arraignment. Which means he'll enter.

He'll enter a plea if not guilty. There isn't an issue of bail because this is a non-violent offense under New York law, he'll be released on his own recognizance. And I Guess the importance here is that the the judge should begin to set a discovery schedule an emotion schedule. And as a number of my co-panelists here have pointed out, the motion schedule is probably the most important thing because I think this is a case that ought to be dismissed on the papers before it ever gets to trial.

Well, I think former President Trump is expecting that he will be allowed to leave the courthouse because he is God at 8 o'clock tonight. Uh, plans for a news conference? Yeah, so after he gets back to Florida what we're looking at right now. okay, there's no question of that he's getting out I Don't even know why they're even remotely teasing that idea that that he's not going to be able to leave from court tonight. So I think that's a little odd and therefore now I will change the channel.

Here we go. it's the judge's call as to when he's ready they have a room reserved. Um, we've been told a conference room or an empty courtroom on this floor for the attorneys and aides to gather. Um, as Ali pointed out, that's probably where they're leafing through what could be a 50-page indictment to learn it.

Uh, Adam Kaufman A former prosecutor in the Manhattan District Attorney's office is also uh, joining us as well in the conversation. Adam what are your thoughts as as you as we wait to get sight of the the former president? Um, about what are you going to be listening for in the indictments Once they are are read out, what's in them and what's not in them? I think um, it's really interesting to think about how this indictment might be framed and you know we think about the false business records. um I wonder if any of the valuation issues uh, the financial fraud type of issues that were part of the prior investigation and grand jury and and feature a large part in the Uh in the civil case filed by the Attorney General I Wonder if any of that will be in it? Um, you know an indictment like this If you take a listen here or just look for a moment at uh, this was yesterday Trump Jr posted foreign looks like that was as they were leaving. uh in Uh West Palm Beach presumably uh from Mar-a Largo And so I'm wondering if there is.

Yeah, let me ask you what. Why does a conspiracy count allow you to then have a narrative? I Understand the idea of a narrative in the indictment that tells a story rather than just a dry recitation of facts. But why does the conspiracy count give you that? So, a conspiracy count lets the prosecution frame the conspiracy and describe the evidence that the Grand jury heard. If generally speaking, if you're talking about for example, falsifying business records, the boilerplate language is just a dry recitation of the facts.

The defendant on such and such a date with fraudulent intent caused false entries in the records of a business. Uh, with intent to conceal the commission of another crime. Um, you can add a little bit to it, but it doesn't lend itself to really telling a narrative or a story. A conspiracy is more of a story, and so that's what I would hope to see.

But on the other hand, you have to have a crime which was the object of a cons. It has to be a conspiracy to do something. What makes that conspiracy? So that's a great question. Um, a conspiracy is nothing more than an agreement between two people to commit a crime.

And you can describe what the agreement was and what the conspiracy hoped to accomplish. And so that really gives the prosecution a strong ability to craft this sort of narrative. much more common in federal practice than in state practice. but it's a great opportunity for the prosecution to make a public statement within the four corners of the indictment.

given that Michael Cohen has served time for his involvement in this, and there was an unindicted co-conspirer in the federal case, Does that lead you to believe that there would be a conspiracy account Problem is that the crime that Michael Cohen pled to involving Mr Trump was this or involved in I should say involving co-conspirator number one involved this uh, Federal campaign or election law violation The Pro: The Manhattan DA's office cannot prosecute that crime. It's a federal offense, so they couldn't articulate that as a conspiracy to commit that crime because it's not a state crime and so it makes you wonder. is there another Financial crime for example. They could do this through a scheme to defraud um, that would be.

This is a big thing is a lot of people wondering like, hey, what else are we gonna find out Uh, let's take just a little pre review visit here of uh uh, it's kind of kind of neat to see and then we'll pop back on over here to that hallway. Donald Trump is expected to be walking through in just a moment, but gives you a little bit of picture here. Yeah, here's uh. Donald Trump's motorcade took about 15 minutes for him to get from Trump Tower to uh downtown.

Uh so I said downtown I Suppose this was more closer to the financial district. It's pretty good. It's like we're considered downtown. Trump Tower A little more uptown.

Maybe that's where that old school phrase came from the cop shows. I'm gonna take you downtown I'm gonna jump take you downtown there. He is a rival here. Yeah, it's getting a little busy in the hallway here, so let's go back to this.

Doors opened a number of people. It's the Da staff that's the D.A staff. What does that tell you about? Sue Hoffman Peter Pope were there I couldn't see everyone but uh I See some Financial crimes analysts going in? Um, so it looks like it's the team that worked on this indictment. So where are they coming from and where are they going to? Are they going to the courtroom going in the courtroom? Yeah, Okay, so the court.

So that's the door that the President Karen That's the door the president, former President is likely to come through and the courtroom is immediately to the left. So there are many do doors into the courtroom. And it's not just this one door. There are side doors and there's a back door.

you're not just speaking metaphorically. So there are many doors in the courtroom and many hallways that lead to each door. Depending on where someone's coming from, a judge comes in a different door, a jury comes in, even another door. A defendant who's incarcerated comes in a different door.

The public comes in the main door. So there are many doors to choose from depending on for security reasons which way they decided. Mr Trump should go this one. One thing I was just thinking about right here is the irony of the situation.

All those all those rallies where they mag a crowd chanted lock Her Up. Lock Her Up. Lock Her Up and Donald Trump is now locked up right now at this point in time. So yeah, it's a stretch, he's not locked up.

All right. Let's go ahead and uh, flip channels Now, as soon as we get biased, what do we do? Flip the channel being arraigned and saying the words not guilty. It's not a good look. It doesn't help him.

That's why he's going to control the narrative, leave the courthouse, go back to home base in Florida and then he'll make his statements. But you know the interesting thing: there are a lot of different defendants out there. For whom being charged with a crime isn't the devastating thing that it would be for everybody else. And for someone like Trump, he's someone that appears to be unbothered.

It's water off a duck's back. So uh, he's walking into court, he's waving. He's probably not going to give a statement here, but look. Criminal Courts especially white-collar criminals are the type that never believe that they did anything wrong.

And the irony is they will tell their lawyers about how this is all a big misunderstanding and I didn't do anything wrong. They'll want to control the way the case goes not realizing the irony that doing things the way they want to do it is got is what got them a case in the first place. All right we're looking at this picture now. this is a Jonathan 15th floor.

Yeah, 15th floor so we just saw a moment ago. Excuse me? Lester uh the members of the Prosecution Executive team uh, come through the black uh black Outdoors there from the elevator and go into part 59 which we believe is the courtroom that's going to be handling this and uh, we are awaiting the arrival we believe of the former President who will come up with those back elevators, come through those doors and those few short steps into the courtroom for the hearing. again. it's scheduled to start at 2 15 today, but again it's unclear if it will start on time.

It's unclear if and when the defense is going to be provided a copy of that indictment. Joe Takapina again earlier said he may want some extra time uh with the defense team and with Mr Trump to review those documents. So Court Officials have informed us there is a back room behind the courtroom that if if they want a little extra time to go over the document and speak to Mr Trump and Converse about how they're going to handle this hearing. this 215 start if it starts on time, could be delayed if that request is made.

and will they, well, part of this process be scheduling a new date and what would that next date before? Well, some legal experts Danny might know better than me. Uh, you know we'll say this is months away. Uh, you're looking at a May June return at Best Yeah. I I Actually think they're right.

They're going to file a motion to dismiss. They're going to file motions alleging the Uh Ta is biased. if that happens today. Under the rules, some motions have to be filed I believe within I think it's 45 days.

So for example, within that 45 days you might see a venue transfer motion. The strange thing about those motions is that courts in New York almost never deal with them. They would prefer to get to voidir and actually the trial date to deal with that. But you will see some motions filed in all likelihood within 45 days of the arraignment because that's the date that many motions have to be filed in the state of New York by the rule.

So uh, yes, the next date is probably going to be something that is scheduled for emotions here hearing because you have a relatively short period of time. Once you notice that motion, notify the court in your adversaries that you're making a motion. The court will usually set a a hearing date or in New York for example, Sometimes the litigants in at least in civil courts, can pick a date themselves, which the court may move around depending on scheduling. So uh, look, the court will accommodate dates for regular, uh, unknown litigants.

Those they're certainly going to accommodate the wishes of these litigants because it's what they do anyway. And that goes for trial dates too. A lot of folks are asking when's the trial date Well, I think the answer to that is what are the parties want Because all right now, keep in mind Marjorie Taylor Green was outside briefly for only about a minute. She was getting heckled by protesters uh, you've got.

she's from Georgia Georgia District and she showed up uh to Uh to protest. She was only there briefly. She ended up getting heckled. uh AOC responded to that and wrote Welcome to New York City with a Statue of Liberty emoji and then wrote where there's still social consequences for Shameless bigotry that is uh by uh, AOC she, uh, Marjorie Taylor Green apparently delivered brief remarks uh, discussing what uh, she said were, uh, basically Democratic Communists and that's what she's trying to bring attention to.

Let's listen in over here Now going after uh Trump for uh, in a 250 million dollar lawsuit for defrauding lenders and others. And there's also a defamation case that's set to be heard in April as um, that's set to be uh, that's set to be held in April here in New York Um, somebody accusing him of a battery and whatnot. So this is, uh, you know, multiple fronts here in New York This is the only criminal matter, but uh, yeah, he's got some issues here. uh John go back.

Uh, we'll go back to you. Go ahead. hey Brian Sorry, it looked like there was some imminent activity. uh there with a number of people who are coming back and forth.

uh, through that door and we are getting very close. We're just 10 minutes away from the scheduled time of the arraignment. I Just wanted to make sure that we didn't miss anything with the former President coming through. I mean there's no question that prosecutors in the state of New York uh, seem seem to definitely, uh, want to make a point I'm trying to bring criminal charges into conviction against former president Trump which which again is why Jillian this idea of a gag order when that's his only way really of fighting back against uh, public officials making comments about him about the the media globally that we'll be covering this case.

How do you take that platform away from him? Yeah? I Don't think that's gonna happen. One of the primary uh thiefs for lack of a better word that President Trump's supporters have with the indictment is that they feel that even without a gag order, this limits his ability to speak open and honestly on the presidential Trail on the campaign, Trail about what he is facing in court. They feel that this puts an undue burden on him as Martha spoke about a few minutes ago. It also puts a burden on him to fight a legal battle.

Potentially more than one legal battle at the same time. Yeah, I'm just going to jump in and say look, uh, I think the the worst thing the absolute worst thing that could be done is some kind of gag order against Trump uh uh. You know the last thing I think America wants is Donald Trump completely silenced. Uh, people revolted against Twitter and Facebook for banning Donald Trump and it ended up galvanizing his supporters more.

you know, let him say what he wants to say. If you support him, uh, you know, or what to pay attention to what he's doing, you can. If you don't want to, then don't you know? Just like he would have, free speech, you should have, uh, the freedom to choose to to listen or not. So I I Doubt we'd see some sort of a gag order like that pointing out the mirror.

hello Mr Jack Come on in, You want to say hi. All right, you know what's happening on TV right up there. Uh Mr President Trump The last President is technically at a jail building right now because they are trying to get him in trouble and so we'll see what happens. We don't even really know for what yet.

We think it has to do with making some fake documents and paying some people money you shouldn't have paid. What do you think about that? So you're gonna, you're gonna watch with me. Yeah, go ahead, do whatever you want. All right close to Bringing Uh charges in Fulton County Uh, there was a development in court last week where which makes me think that we may see that on or before May 1st and then it.

as as our reporting today has shown, uh, the Special Counsel appointed by the Biden Justice Department is working diligently away at trying to make a case on the Mar-A-Lago documents and on uh, January 6th so that that case is moving forward too, we may have all these charges. Uh, if there are somebody, uh, honest Harry in chat here is asking Kevin how is it that they upgraded the charges from a misdemeanor to a class C felony by charging him with a federal election Finance related charges when he is being prosecuted in state Corps Well, they're not actually charging him I Mean we don't know what exactly what they're charging him with yet, right? We don't know the answer to that yet. but what we believe they're planning on doing uh, is we hold on a second. Listen in here for a second that Alvin Bragg stood down because it's just getting busy there.

What we believe they're doing is all the cases, but he has his own constituency again. he uh, so okay. so what we believe they're doing is saying, look, uh in uh New York It is a misdemeanor to falsify business records. but if uh, you falsify business records and also cover up another crime, whether or not you get prosecuted for that other crime or not, doesn't so much matter the fact that another crime was enabled by your cover-up Boom.

Elevated to classy felony so they don't They're not actually getting him in my opinion on campaign Finance related because they're not Prosecuting that somebody else can prosecute that I believe it's just on the documents that they're now elevating to to uh, the lowest tier of felony. Let's keep listening again. Good question though. So I want to draw? You want to say something? Go ahead.

yeah, hello Robot, you want to show. Okay, Karen's gonna come protect everyone Okay, so this is a robot I bought it at a YouTuber's shop. um uh, it's their name and their channel name is Kankowski and if you go to hold on, here's Brad Hold on. We've decided by a handful of right Bragg just walked by through that door right there.

Uh, I'll replay it right here because I think it's interesting to see. Let me see if I can rewind on this one. I Just saw him live walking through that door. uh I Actually don't know if they if they have a serious uh, this here.

he comes there. he is there. He is on the right. All right now we're waiting for Trump So this is more of the live shot right here.

right now it is a unifying effect when you have Jeb Bush coming out in support. So you got this at a YouTuber shop? Thank you sir, we got we gotta listen for a moment. Okay sir, Yes, you can hang out Uh, when you have uh, parts of the Republican Party who are not inclined uh to back Donald Trump uh speaking up in for him. Um, and you have a unifying effect in the base? uh that you've seen polls go up and fundraising increase in the short term in the short term, there's a clear uh shot in the arm as far as tension.

uh, the fact that it's wall-to-wall news coverage? uh, is, you know Harkens Back to the 2015-2016 uh time frame when uh, the President was not president and he, uh, you know, was getting this kind of attention on the trail. I think uh, you know as time goes on and how these other cases play out, uh, other candidates will maybe look to, uh, talk about that about uh, running for office without uh, the chaos without everything that surrounds it. ASA Hutchinson The former Arkansas governor is already doing that, but he's alone as a reminder to get yourself 12 free stocks at Metcaven.com free Same sheet of music that they think is this is a political prosecution on the Republican side. Yeah again, we're now within three minutes of the scheduled start time of uh, this arraignment here and we saw Alvin Bragg as Brett was pointing out.

walk in. Uh, we have seen Walt NADA who is the President's personal aid Uh, come through those doors. the President, the former President usually not far behind. Uh, so we're expecting that this is going to happen in the next little while it is.

I Think worthwhile as we await the arraignment here. that uh, Alvin Bragg has been really making a a career here out of downgrading felony charges. In 2023 of 1972, uh, cases 54 of those felonies were downgraded to misdemeanors, the year before, 52 were downgraded, and when you take a look at the number of felony cases resulting in convictions uh, this year year to date, 52 percent. Uh, resulting in convictions 50 last year.

So the uh, it was it was. and keep in mind that's after 50 are downgraded so it's really more like 25, right? So they take 50 percent of felonies, downgrade those to misdemeanors, and then of the felonies they keep, they have a 50 conviction rate that gives the president, uh, former President a pretty good chance at beating this. I Mean for all intents and purposes, it seems the opposite is, according to our legal analyst is happening. Um with this case and these charges against the former president, they say Bragg is taking what is essentially usually historically treated as a misdemeanor and elevating it to a felony.

Also important to point out: John Yeah with the Yahoo League the Yahoo League was uh, 34 charges of uh falsifying business records I think it could be related to to campaign Finance violations but we're not sure uh if those will actually be the charges from this local Court here or if they're just going to focus on the falsifying business records. but the information that is revealed from this investigation could end up uh, turning into future or additional cases. But yes, the payment uh from story Stormy Daniels was made by Michael Cohen We know that the question is did Donald Trump reimburse it There was a letter from Michael Cohen's attorney that said no Donald Trump did not personally nor did the Trump organization reimburse uh, uh or I'm sorry Donald Trump's campaign and the Trump organization did not reimburse Michael Cohen But what if the Trump family trusted or he personally did right The letter didn't say that let's listen anymore, charges all of them um which will answer some of the questions whichever way this thing up, whether it fuels the fire of people who say this is political persecution um where it redeems brag and perhaps he has had in access to information evidence, witness testimony that those who came before him did not. We will hopefully find out in the next few minutes.

no Donald Trump is not prohibited from running if he is charged for presidency. Donald Trump should get life insurance in as little as five minutes. You know our good old paid promotion but uh Apple pay or injury pay for it. But but no, no, just by being charged, you're not uh, excluded from running for president or even being president.

In theory, he could get convicted of all these crimes and still become president on what he has been saying about Alvin Bragg and judge Juan Merchant on Truth social that he will probably voice his opinion on what he thinks of this process and how he believes it's unfair, how he thinks that the venue is unfair and that he is being in in his mind unfairly persecuted uh for what transpired uh Eric Trump again was saying and Martha pointed this out as well that this city has gone or this prosecutor has gone to enormous expense for a 130 000 non-disclosure agreement. Now again, if you're accusing someone of a crime and Prosecuting them for a crime you don't do uh, this is a little bit more than a non-disclosure agreement I mean that is Fox's bias coming through right there. All right guys, listen up, we're gonna call the silencing fee an NDA back. uh Jonathan Turley Now Jonathan just a few moments, Uh, until we're going to have access to those charges.

Uh, we're hoping that they will be revealed in their entirety shortly after the former President goes into the courtroom. We do have a producer inside. He will be sending us information as soon as he gets out of there. He's not allowed to have a phone with him and communicate on it while he's inside there.

Um, but talk to us about Um Reporting today Confirmed to Fox News that there are more than 30 charges. One of those is a felony. Yeah, well. one very likely has to be a felony If they're going to use this bootstrap argument of the New York misdemeanor.

They have to bring that misdemeanor back to life. and the only way to do it is to say it was committed to hide a felony. Uh, so that would be part of that theory. Look, we've all known the most obvious fact that history is being made.

The question we're going to learn in the next few minutes is what type of history is it good or bad History? Many of us have no objection to a former President being indicted. That can be a Vindication of the rule of law. It can also be the degradation of the rule of law if you proceed against a former president for political reasons. It is the very antithesis of our legal system.

So whatever comes out of that gate in a few minutes hopefully will be more than what we have heard. If the rule of law is going to be Vindicated Hopefully it'll be more than just 34 versions of this rather dubious legal Theory that's been bantered about for weeks now. The suggestion is that there might be something new in the indictment. What we're looking for is: are there new crimes? Are all of these related to payments around 2016.? Are they all based on different variations of this bootstrap argument? Alternatively, do they have some new crimes that might deal with business or tax fraud else? What everybody's kind of excited to to see is: uh, are there going to be new announcements or or crimes here? Let's listen to uh Marjorie for a moment while we wait.

Let's see here to the Mayor: Adams Oh yeah, she called me out by name. While you allow crime in your streets and you send your punishment down here to commit assault against people by making loud noises, assault against police officers who are doing their jobs, and they allowed cities to be burned. 2 billion dollars worth of damage. Who are here today? Anyway, that gives you an example there of: Marjorie Taylor Green she was ridiculed by AOC later for this, she was heckled on her way out.

Uh, we'll uh, keep looking for more Clips as we wait in this hallway shot here with this case John And uh, we'll see if we hear from the former President here. He doesn't like to walk by cameras and not say something. Um, so we'll see if he's in that mood today, but we do expect that this is going to get underway very shortly. John Uh, let's go ahead and bring in Harold Ford Jr he's co-host of the five also a former.

Democratic Tennessee Congressman Harold Um. Interestingly Adam Kinzinger said a moment ago this he writes America faces great political polarization and this indictment will not help. Will not help. but upholding the rule of law is imperative to our nation's long-term success.

What do you say about that? It could be right? um I I Like you I'm waiting to see what's in this uh indictment. Uh, what the facts are that supported I think Jonathan has said Professor Turley has said well, uh and again I've I've urged everyone to show some restraint here I Think some of the speculation could be that's their beeping, some of it could be wrong. uh. but we'll know here in a few minutes.

I Do think the great gift that we all As Americans have is that we're presumed innocent until unless we're proven guilty. and we almost all remember the former President Trump who has been indicted uh is Presumed Innocent Uh Until facts are presented in evidence are presented that prove otherwise and hopefully we learn in this indictment. What the Uh, the skeletal evidentiary Uh claims are that the the District Attorney has I would also remind everyone that most district attorneys in this country are elected so they all run on a platform. So I I Don't take the idea that he ran the platform of Prosecuting uh former president Trump as anything other than uh, something that DA's do when they run all across the country.

Having said that, he'd best have a case because if the D.A does that, that's a good point here. I mean In Fairness all DA's run on some kind of I'm going to do this. This is going to be my my goal. but Leticia James and Alvin Bragg ran on the premise of we're going to get Trump who we are going to prosecute Trump uh and that kind of makes it feel like what did you string together here.

That's why everybody's so excited waiting to see uh, what what ends up happening here. That's that's exactly what we're standing by for us to see Trump walk by, uh, into the courtroom here. uh Court Proceedings are supposed to begin about seven minutes ago. We don't know if the bookings taking longer.

we don't know. waiting for the indictment. Maybe the judge isn't ready yet. We'll see.

Let's keep listening in here. Who knows. Maybe it's already going up. Let's keep listening in.

They didn't allow cameras inside the courtroom, so this is what we get. the the President's prominence as a public figure. Can that happen in? America Of course it can. I Think anyone that tries to besmirch the idea that we have one system of justice doesn't understand our Judicial System even our in our Judicial System We have checks and balances.

So if something happens at a lower court that people believe the lawyers believe it was a violation of someone's rights, they can appeal. It can appeal all the way up to a supreme court at the state level, or obviously at the federal level. So I'm not one who believes that anyone is above the law, nor am I one that believes that anyone should be targeted by the law. And to your question.

John I'm not a believer that no one is that no one is so important and that no one is so supersedes Humanity that the legal system can't treat them fairly if T.A Bragg does not have the evidence, does not have the facts President Trump will if he goes to trial, will be acquitted and if there's not evidence to support uh, the the kinds of claims that we're all speculating might be in this indictment, then a judge will likely dismiss this. But like many, I'm going to wait to see what's in the indictment before. I comment much more on what may happen or what may not happen. Let's bring back in Brett Bear Uh for a moment here as this is unfolding.

Brett Last night we learned that Special Counsel Jack Smith who's managing the classified Documents case discovered new evidence pointing to Trump's obstruction. Um, they reports her that he has new witness statements, security camera footage, and some other kind of documentary evidence that speaks to the idea that Trump himself tampered with classified documents in his home in Mar-A-Lago After uh, the archives requested that he returned those documents to them right? And that's the reporting. After the subpoena, we also at let's hop on over here for a moment. There's a lot they know that we don't and so we hope to hear a heck of a lot more at 3 30.

from Mr Bragg And when we see that document to sort of outline, that's the press conference. By the way, the Bragg press conference at Uh in about one hour forward here, but he is a cautious, careful man in something like this. I do wonder if we will hear from him though Jonathan The way that you describe it is he's not going to get into things that are, um, extraneous if you will. I mean the very real threats against him, the threats that he has received, and this ties into something we were talking about with Kristen Welker as well On the speech tonight that Donald Trump will give at Mar-A-Lago he has attacked the judge presiding this case as we've discussed as somebody who he says hates Donald Trump Will he go after the judge again tonight? That is legally perilous for him and there's a question on how much or if right the judge will address that in this arraignment here in the next couple of minutes.

Yeah, just a reminder what he said earlier in that uh, truth social post. uh, talking about his desire to go to a different venue to Staten Island post Manhattan Very unfair venue, but he talks about the highly partisan judge and his family as well-known Trump haters. um I Guess what you're saying? It's hard to imagine him backing off that kind of a language here on the same day as the indictment. but what if he's warned by the judge? knock it off essentially right I mean then how does he? It's tough to tell Donald Trump Highly doubt that I Highly doubt this judge wants to come across as any more, uh, potentially politically divisive than this situation already is.

The judge has to appear impartial. He already got the judge's daughter who worked as a campaign uh, strategist potentially for Democrats Adam Schiff who's part of a Democrat part of the indictment as with most Democrats in the House of Representatives and then of course, uh, now uh, it's coming out that uh, the daughter of the judge potentially also worked on the campaign for Biden Harris So it's not, it's it's the hush. this this sort of idea of gagging Trump I highly doubt is going to go anywhere show a few days ago uh, it would just embolden Trump and he would just speak through his children essentially. and there's no way you can silence a political candidate as they're going through an election cycle.

There's no way I Mean, who knows. maybe that's the greater Spirit A conspiracy here is gag order Trump and make it so he can't talk. Uh, and now all of a sudden that all his campaign rallies he can't talk about this I Don't see that happening? Ask Andy about this whether or not he does actually have the right after being President to look through potentially classified documents unless he has previously Declassified them. but he maintained that he had previously Declassified them.

Uh, so that's a that's an argument that we can take up in a few moments. But again, I Was just advised that the former President is heading up to the courtroom now. so any moment now Jillian we should see him come through those doors. All right, Trump's heading up to the courtroom now.

Uh, Jack Go ahead, show your goal to Steve I Don't know. Jack's really happy, but do it fast. Okay I just wanted to show you, um, that I have a piece of gold right here I Don't know if you can see it all right Jack? I Gotta go back to this. He wanted to address, um, the events.

Jack's really excited about gold because it's been rallying the last few days since about actually like two and a half weeks right now they are on the way in, which means that he will be right behind them. I Would imagine. All right here. We go here.

we go foreign, so let's not forget that. Albert Bragg Not only is he setting precedent from bringing criminal charges for the very first time in this nation's history against a former president, but he's taking a case. Uh, and this is the uh, hush money that was paid to Stormy Daniels Back in 2016, just before the election, he's taking a case that the Feds shouldn't prosecute. Here Comes Let's just listen into this.

that's Donald Trump Nobody held the door for him president. Trump and he went right into the courtroom. We thought that he was going to come up to that camera. but uh, change of plans to what we had been advised and he just walked straight in there.

So again, yeah, let's watch that again. Right here. Watch that again. Look at that very very serious, Interesting.

nobody held the door for him. I'm surprised Lawyers we saw Joe Decapina walk in and here is uh, the former President areas president. Trump Will you come speak to US President Very very serious. stern here.

Um, doesn't look too happy I Have to say uh I I'm really curious. Now what's in this indictment? There was no indication here of any. Oh, this is uh, this is you know, uh, potentially. uh, okay.

we got this. Uh, this felt a little bit. That's the lead. Yeah, that's kind of the the reaction here.

this. this looks shocked. Uh, unfortunately like none of these reactions here look very happy. uh no, no door held there.

Trump's sort of looking down at the ground past everyone here. Where to go? uh brief kind of stare here that you get at the cameras really an emotionless there and walk into the courtroom. Very interesting. We don't know if he's had the indictment yet, so let's we'll have to keep listening here.

This is a a moment that no doubt is having a heavy weight on him. We know from everything he has said, he feels unjustly, uh, arrested in this case and he will have his moment to speak. He's going to speak tonight at eight o'clock for Mar-A-Lago as Andy McCarthy made clear he will be released on his own recognizance. Um, after this process that's underway now and we're about to find out the indictments that are part of this case and how many of them are felonies.

but I I Think that, um, the weight of this moment appeared to be on on the former President in a very significant way as we just saw him walk through that hallway. John Yeah, some of the uh comments here, that's a deer in the headlights look. uh we've got uh let's see here. Okay, some other comments here.

Let's keep the only part of the where he declined to speak or which we thought he may. The reality here is that if a gag order does come down during this arraignment, the President might not be able to speak at all. No chance. Yeah.

Jillian that's a good question. I think it's uh, something that we have not heard yet and uh, there's no indication yet that the judge is going to install that gag order, but we'll know shortly. Uh, I Just want to go back to that image of uh, former president Trump walking out and kind of glaring at uh, the reporters as they said, will you come talk to us Um, and that that moment of walking into the courtroom, you know he is standing across from the District Attorney Alvin Bragg who's bringing forward uh, these, this indictment, and t