Then someone on Twitter at the time said um, hey, you should fight zck and I said well, I'm willing to fight if you if he is um and um and then Zck posted uh I think on Instagram or something, uh name the place or something. something like that effect and I was like okay, how about the Vegas octagon um and then um and then uh Italy actually was willing to let us use the Coliseum so I was like well, let's can't turn that down you know, yeah, um and then um but then and then I was like well, if it's going to be in the Coliseum you know we like I like UFC and everything but we don't have like tons of ads in and UFC branding on the Coliseum because it's a historical you know, play. it's a you know it's a place of great history you don't want to right? Just uh, you know, have it be like NASCAR right? So so then um and then Zck Zuck pulled out. you know, wait wait wait wait wait wait wait no no no no no no I don't think you could just say And then Zck pulled out Elon's like yo, let's go to your house and do There's so much more to the story and I don't know everything but I definitely know there's way more than we just heard.

To the point where Elon was like live streaming himself on full self-driving wanting to go to Zuck's house to fight Zuck at his house and then Zuck's like no, no no man like no free testing of the skills basically Bro like, if you want to do a fight, let's do it real and Elon's like yo, why are you chickening to scrimmage me? You know, and and and and then it kind of just like faded and then nobody ever heard about it again. Uh, you know Zuck's kind of like, well hit me up when you're actually serious about having a real fight as opposed to a backyard fight. But now Elon's here saying H he backed out. Bro: no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, like even Elon supporters should call on that right there.

that no, no, no, um so he pulled out. he pulled out of it. Yeah, yeah, no, oh what was the narrative? What did you hear Jamie yes Joe Joe yes well I'm will so he was like oh no, it's got to be dude I love Joe sus right here I love Joe susing this out dude, let's go UFC Rules I'm like, well okay, we got have UFC Rules in the Coliseum It's fine, but we just don't want to have You got to respect the historical Integrity of the place, you just the Coliseum just seems like the coolest place to do it. that's why and then and then Elon distracts and then Elon flips and distracts.

No way Elon flips it and turns it into oh uh yeah. Basically, let's go back to talking about the uh Coliseum no I mean Like Gladiator You know, come on. if they said it's okay, yeah so he just wants it to be in the actual UFC like in Vegas So so then he said oh well you know, uh like he accused me of not not being serious I said look listen at the end of the day if I'll fight you any place anywhere under any rules oh Z that's what I said So so I'm you know name the he's the name of the place I'm like I'm if I'm happy to fight him in a house on a mouse with a we like Go full Dr Seuss here now how much time I'm way bigger than him. This is unfair I know I don't think he should fight me.

Um, because because you're so much bigger than him yeah I'm like 50% harder than him. yeah I'll just use a war I've got my pented War rust move. Oh and now he's doing the angle of well I would have won anyway Zuck shouldn't fight me anyway. Oh dude, no Twisted narrative L him Well you know, like Warus doesn't need martial arts training right? because it's really big, you don't want to go wrestling A W R Us right because he's Gonna Roll on you.

Have you ever been ever rolled with someone was much small. Keep in mind I found a Zuck post Zuck said Elon won't confirm a date then says he needs surgery now asks to do a practice round in my backyard. If Elon ever gets serious about a real date and official event, he knows how to reach me Otherwi time to move on. I'm going to focus on competing with people who take the sport seriously.

that's not musk. Zuck backing out like again like I'm just trying to be factual here and I I can't defend musk on that and I think Eli or uh I think Joe Rogan here I mean look at his face, look at Joe Rogan's face Joe Rogan's like you're a Shyer musk aren't you? Come on dude, it totally susing it out smaller than you the does Jiu-Jitsu yes you Lex yeah yeah yeah no I I didn't 10 years of martial arts? um how much have you trained personally? I a decade of it? Well you did a lot of uh karate right? uh I did Judo Judo Kai kin Kai karate yeah um I did some Jiu-Jitsu Taekwondo um street fighting which I was involuntary um I I I'm you know I think I'd be decent I I did martial L competitions when I was a teenager. Really interesting so look at you George St Pierre Elon John Doner the Great Master and Lex Fredman but like like Lex is uh I think he's got like 20% heavier than Zuck so and I'm way bigger than Lex yeah that's why they have weight categories. Oh yeah yeah, um did you get a chance to talk to Doner at all? The guy on the left.

That guy F do you know history? No, he's from New Zealand or something. he was a professor of philosophy at Columbia okay and fell in love with jiu-jitsu Okay, I mean fell in love with it to the point where he was sleeping on the mats and teaching all day long. He's an obsessive. He is a real Kaizen disciple and in oh man, he is one of the most unique characters I've ever met in my life.

one of the most I will say that's that do is very unsurprising for Elon Musk to spin the narrative like that. Huge credit to Joe Rogan for Susen that out never ended up getting the full narrative here from Rogan or the staff or whatever. In Fairness I think that's awkward. like let other people do that like me.

You know from a third person point of view because if Joe Rogan fact checks him and makes him look like a fool on the show, Elon's not going to come back to the show. Other people might not want to come to the show so it's very difficult in Joe Rogan's position, but he gave enough of an indication where he's like uhhuh I'm on to this I I I Know all about the narrative I'm letting you tell a story I know what the story should sound like and that ain't it all right? Wow. Uh, so let's keep going with uh yeah, the Podcast Most Brilliant Man I've ever met and he's completely dedicated to Jiu-Jitsu and he has raised through this. particularly this bit him to a duel under any circumstances.

SW Fight what time you need to prepare I Don't need any time, no time at all. How's your cardio? wait? let's go back. Instructor more. He doesn't really have that hair, he bleaches it John Doner is universally regarded as the greatest jiu-jitsu instructor alive and his student is universally regarded as the greatest.

Jiu-Jitsu Competitor Alive. Yeah, and it is. because John is like a complete AB Like a guy out of a superhero book like you wouldn't you? You're not going to find another one of those a guy with a genius level. IQ Who's one of I mean you talk to him.

He's fascinating and he is obsessed with Combat Sports Warfare like th like strategy? Yeah, brilliant guy. Yeah, okay where is he I was impressed when I met him. um I mean the things that like uh, if I was fighting someone who I was not where I was not much bigger than them then I would be more concerned. Um, how much time did you need to prepare I like how Elon is that? okay Elon Now backtracking here Joe Rogan Just went on a whole tangent on somebody.

totally different and now Elon's you know in this defensive position, right? His hands are car like. this is It's defensive. It's like self- soothing when you sit like this. Or you sit with your arms like this.

He hasn't been sitting like that. He's been sitting pretty casually most of the time. Now he realizes he just said something that was a Fib and now he's after. Joe Rogan's entire rant on some totally unrelated wasn't really a rant.

it was a discussion. Elon Musk Goes back to the Zuck issue. Let's listen to how he tries to unbury himself from this fa: I Don't need any time, No time at all. No, how's your cardio finding someone? How much time do you need to prepare who I was not where I was not much bigger than them then I would be more concerned.

Um, how much time did you need to prepare I don't need any time, No time at all. No, how's your cardio? No, it's not it. That will not be a factor really. I I mean what's the likelihood of this actually happening I Like I'm willing to do it anytime anywhere.

any place, any rules. Well, I Think this. Stating it this way might accelerate this process, especially on this platform. I mean I I challenge him to a duel under any circumstances.

Sure. Jesus that's not Neary at dawn, that's not necessary I think physical hand. Nerf Guns at noon? Yeah, Nerf Guns at noon? Well, you could. You could slash it out in the Metaverse but yeah, in the real world.

I Listen I it. There's there. just a reason they have weight categories. you know? Um, so uh, you know there's a a friend of mine who is pretty good at fighting.

um but she weighs. She weighs about half of what what I do and um and I said. let me let me show you why there's weight categories in in Fighting and I'm I'm going to do move called the wal Rus and and you have to just I'm just gonna lie on you I'm not gonna put you in a lock or anything I'm just gonna lie on you. but I'm I'm gonna.

you know. position myself such that it's hard to get off out from under me. and I just I'm G to lie Crossways on you and and you you try to get get away, you won't be able to get away which you couldn't Just you know, like Joe's like I don't know about that man. you take somebody with skills.

Man, don't just rely on a weight sandbag. here. horse falls on you. right? You can get trapped under a horse, but you're not a horse.

What do you weigh about 230? Yeah, Two? 240. Yeah, yeah. so no, no. I'm not a horse.

But I'm saying in the limit, if something's heavy enough like you know, a horse falls in you and dies, You can get trapped under a horse and not be able to get yourself out right. A horse weighs 1,500 to 2,000 pounds on average. but if someone's good enough I mean I'm sure you've seen like absolute weight classes in Jiu-Jitsu where you'll get a 145 pound competitor who strangles a 220 pound competitor and they're both well trained Because if someone is that good unlikely, it's not unlikely. It happens quite often.

Okay, when you get Elite competitors, when you get Elite competitors like Elite black belts. at the 145 155 pound weight limit, you'd be shocked. There's a ton of videos of these guys who will strangle much larger black belts. Yeah, I'm not saying it's impossible, it's just highly unlikely.

Um, and if if if this were not the case, there would not be strict weight categories in martials, that is true. Yeah, that is true, but very. I don't know about that. I Think the weight categories are to equalize the fairness, right? Because at that advanced level of training, even a two or three% Edge makes a difference right? At scale two or 3% Edge Because let's say you're you're larger than somebody else and you're equally trained.

But you're larger and you win solely because you weigh 60 lbs more. But you've both equally trained your whole lives the same and you have that two or 3% chance Edge that that that is the fairness that weight categories are trying to balance. Elon Is making this argument that weight categories exist because if you're 60 pounds higher, you will basically 99% of fights win just by lying down on somebody. and Joe Rogan's here like I Don't know Man, there's some pretty, you know, skinny dudes who are really skilled who take down big people.

Elon's like n no chances are slim to none. Like Elon's implying, weight categories exist to prevent this impossible extreme. I Think weight categories exist to level the playing field by shaving off even those small percentage of gains uh, between equally trained individuals. I Guess that's on to everybody's opinion though.

The reason why they allow absolutes in Jiu-Jitsu is, uh, because the it is the thrill of watching these smaller people go against much larger people and sometimes they win. No. I Just just like, um, armies. You know when the people take note when a small army defeats a big army because it is so unusual? Yes, not because it's normal, right? Um, you know if there's like it's like it was two against 10,000 and boy would beat those two guys up.

More likely what happens if if if you're cever outnumbered, uh, you will lose Almost certainly. So look at the size difference between these two guys. Play it out. Well, it's the end of the video.

This is Uh Mikey Musi who is another fascinating individual. This guy is another Super Genius who trains every day 12 hours a day and uh, he is competing against a black belt in the heavyweight division. Mikey Musi might weigh 145 pounds and he beats this guyy do super great shape part where the it seemed like you got penalties or something. oh they push them out of balance I don't know what that won on I think they're out of balance.

okay yeah, that's was. that's just out of bounds. so scoot ahead and see what happens when. C with what happened I'm not saying it's impossible, it's just very unlikely.

So he won by points. Yeah, so won by points I Think you're making the point for me here. Yeah well in that case, that guy's strangled a lot muchar larger people than him. um but again, he's extraordinary.

He's a world champion. He's world champion for one, which is this huge uh organization in Singapore They do these events where they have all kinds of different martial arts they have MMA tie boxing. yeah yeah. um so you would do it under any rules.

Sure, all right, let's go I Like it. I Like the fact that you're interested in doing this. it's fun. um it makes it fun yeah.

I mean I I Could you know this? This could be an exercise in huus yeah there's some regret there. Find out we could find out. I' like the fact that Zuck's interested in it too. I Like the fact that he uh, he trained so much.

Yeah, I mean there's there aren't very many ways to actually if if you stick with the rules that you just to um like for example, if you want to put somebody in an armlock, you have to be able to extend their arm. and if you if you if somebody is strong enough that they that you cannot extend their arm then you're limited to chokes, chokes and and you can you can do a an arm loock across the groin with with both arms and legs like hoist. Gracie did upside down and I think it was like the third UFC fight or something like that. Yeah, he was pretty severely damaged that was in Femo.

Yeah, that enormous guy. Yeah and he did upside down um arm lock across the groin because he could not do an arm loock. um you know, a sort of sidebar armlock. so um but after that people were like why to that move so they're like not going to be allow themselves to get a armlock across the grin without you know that that was like a you know overconfidence I think um well it was exhaustion I mean they fought like tooth and nail for something like seven or eight minutes and you know hoist survived and then eventually wore the guy well when you're a big steroid it up guy like that too the oxygen depletion like amward.

so that's that's the fight portion. Have to say, you know Elon really tried to backtrack the oops? uh Mark Zuck backed out. The only way he was able to backtrack off of Mark Zuck backed out was basically by committing to being willing to fight Mark Zuck anytime anywhere. So he's kind of reactivating the whole fight thing even though he probably didn't mean to.

He kind of had to because he called out Musk for or Zuuk for backing out even though that wasn't true. Interesting move. All right. What else we got here? Fast forward a bit.

UFC is not just Jiu-Jitsu You can punish people. Yeah, let's keep going. So the we bet the year off no this is that's That's Mike Tyson of Ander Holyfield that's from the 90s Yeah no. This fight that took place this last weekend Francis and who was the UFC heavyweight champion? He vacated the belt so he could take this fight with Tyson Fury more fighting.

Let's keep going. Um, it's a I KN I Knew you take it easy on me in the first round. so the only way I'm when to knock him over is is momentum. So I got to basically run.

wait wait we're back to more fight stuff. Hold on. This part seems interesting. like I I mean I had like some childhood injuries.

Uh, like I said I was in some pretty severe fights as a kid. like really like was almost killed at one point. So really what happened I was just in school in South Africa It's a very violent place. um so um there been many involuntary fights.

It's just the way it was. um but anyway so I had like and I had some rugby injuries as well. um I suppose South South Africa won the World Cup which is cool and in rugby. um so uh so so I think that that was like not a good starting position.

uh but then um the world champion Su wrestlers world champion s wrestler they did kind of like a demo bout for my birthday. um and since it was my birthday they I guess they just they call up the birthday boy and say like hey do you want to suum wrestle this is where like it's a similar weight differential. he was 50% heavier than me so um like I know 360 370 pounds um and um it's a I KN I knew you take it easy on me in the first round. so the only way I'm going to knock him over is is momentum.

so I got to basically run at him. um so I did uh run at him, did a judo throw, knocked him over um and smashed the disc in my neck in the process. Oh yeah, it's like it be like running at that wall. You know if you run out a wall it's G to hurt.

Did you have to get it fused or anything? Yeah oh man. so it's like you can knock you. Can you? You can knock over someone. You can defeat someone bigger than you.

If willing to, you know, smash a disc in your neck. Yeah well. If you know, what you're doing and you're willing to smash a disc on your neck, Those two things. So he wasn't expecting me to be a total lunatic on round one.

Um, and he defeated me obviously in round two and three because he was like, well, eyes knows what to expect. but keep going. 5 C6 Because because it could, it could slide. and when it would slide forward, the C5 C6 would bang and crunch the nerve.

And what does the normal this has to do with a surgery do? Insanely powerful and fast. Yeah, cool. So you compete at the highest level with your neck fused? Yeah, yeah yeah. I'm not I'm not too worried about that.

Alaine Sterling Who was the UFC Banway champion? He um, got his neck neck fused and then or not got a disc replaced rather in his neck and then went on to defend his title three times. Still, this isn't helping. Elon Elon's trying to use the surgery as an out and now El's like damn. Look at Joe's face there in that clip.

Wait look at that look at that. The Joe's like got you what? What is going on here just a few decades ago? Yeah, now you're good to go. It be okay then. Yeah well.

medical science is pretty incredible. What they could do. Now you know I mean injuries that would have like you would have been for the rest of your life just a few decades ago. Yeah, now you're good to go.

Yeah, so I'm excited we've kind of rekindled this. Zuck versus Elon Fire I mean he's checking out what that's the I don't think he's checking out checking out you think? so? Yeah well maybe he's lck suck suck I'll go to him into fighting using tuns. it might work. Yeah it I mean somehow or another.

You got him to agree in the first place I was stunned. Surely he will respond to a taor like that. Yeah surely. I mean how can you resist? How can you res res? Yeah, exactly.

Just go. let's go full. School Schoolyard tor. What if there was like real, um, consequences on the line like what if you guys had a real bet? Okay, sure.

like the moderation team from X takes over moderation of Facebook If you win, no problem, it sounds good and if he wins Vice RSE it a fight for civilization. Yeah, a literal fight for civilization. I mean I'll do it Wow, Heavy, true and you would even trained for this No. I train a little bit, train a little bit Yeah like how many weeks you need I mean I I I don't have to train I could do it like tomorrow I tried going to his house.

actually did you? really? Yeah, because he lives in Paloalto. um and we're doing some um, you know Tesla full self-driving testing. So see, this is Elon literally trying to go back. Once again, we're like 40 to 50 minutes now from the FIB of oh Zuck backed out Elon Keeps going back to it because he feels bad the basic Ally got exposed I'm like well got to pick a destination, press the button, go navigate to Zuck's house.

Yeah, basically suck. Um Joe is so good. he's so good because he's like I'm your friend Elon oh it's so easy. Oh yeah, I'm on autopilot like he's He's totally trying to like soften Elon's guilt.

Here it is. He's a pro interviewer, he's not far. he's like a I think he's like three miles away from the Tesla Tesla California headquarters. Wow.

um but uh I don't know there's nobody there. he's probably in Hawaii he according to a spokesman, he was traveling Oh yeah, been wild if he was there. Yeah you say literally like like anytime I thought it was funny. um to go like you know I'm coming over to your house I'm gonna get you Well it's even more funny when it's two of the richest guys in the world.

Yeah, yeah. um so anyway he didn't uh, didn't answer yeah too bad. yeah too bad. it's a it's just fun, it's fun and I'm I'm glad you're you're just for the fun of it I mean I think it would be well actually like Dana Dana White thinks it would be like the like the you know a really big ticket fight.

it would be huge. Yeah I would commentate on that. yeah I mean the pro could go to charity and stuff it be yeah it' be crazy people would want to see what the hell's going on. oh my God it would be huge.

Yeah yeah it would be really crazy crazy. like if if they close the thing yeah and Bruce Buffer is in there it's time the place would go. Bananas Bananas Yeah yeah, let's do it. Does it have to be in the Coliseum Would you agree? No.

I'll do it anywhere I Literally said anywhere anytime you know where you should do any rules, you know where you should do it. The sphere in Las Vegas The sphere is great. Amazing! It's amazing.