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Legendary investor Jeremy Grantham has a dire warning for all investors. He says the US stock market is currently in a massive bubble and he sees an additional 40% downside for the S&P 500. At the same time Ark Invest founder Cathie Wood says the worst is already behind us and disruptive technology stocks should start rebounding soon. So who is right?
0:00 - 2:48 Intro
2:49 - 4:14 Masterworks Sponsorship
4:15 - 7:03 Jeremy Grantham Super Bubble
7:04 - 9:09 Cathie Wood's View
9:10 Who Is Correct?
Jeremy Grantham's Report: https://www.gmo.com/europe/research-library/let-the-wild-rumpus-begin/
Cathie Wood's Report: https://ark-invest.com/articles/market-commentary/innovation-stocks-are-not-in-a-bubble/
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What's up guys and welcome back to wall street millennial on this channel, we go for everything related to soccer. Investing today we're continuing our coverage of the market crash, which has gripped tech stocks since the beginning of this year and trying to figure out how much downside could still be left when you're having trouble making sense of the market. It can sometimes be useful to listen to market veterans who have been in the business for decades. One of the most well respected such investors as jeremy grantham, the co-founder and chief investment strategist of gmo, an investment firm with over 100 billion dollars of assets under management.

Grantham is 83 years old and has made a name for himself by correctly predicting numerous market bubbles. He predicted the japanese real estate and stock market bubble of 1989, the dot-com bubble of 2000 and the real estate bubble in 2008, which led to the global financial crisis. While each of these bubbles were obvious in hindsight, grantham was one of the few investors who saw them coming beforehand and avoided catastrophic losses. In his view, we are currently at the peak of a super bubble, which is just now starting to burst.

The trend line being slightly generous is 2500 and most of the great bubbles, the super bubbles go below trend and stay there for quite a while in the greenspan era that tendency stopped in 2000. Yes, the nasdaq came down 82 percent, which was fairly brutal. Amazon came down 92, but the federal reserve raced to the rescue so loudly and strongly that they stopped the decline in the s p. A trend line it only declined.

50 percent 50 is a hell of a big decline, but it was only enough to get it back then to trent this time. Trend is at most 2500 and i would expect even if the federal reserve tries to do the same, it will be hard to prevent the market from declining to that level. Currently, the s p 500 index is at 4. 356.

grantham thinks that it will crash down to 2500, which implies a further 43 downside, and he thinks that technology stocks will do even worse. Going down to 2500 would wipe out three years of gains and take us back to levels not seen since the beginning of 2019.. This is quite a draconian view of the markets, but it's important to note that this is not a complete consensus. Arc invests kathy wood says the disruptive technology stocks are in deep value territory and now is a golden buying opportunity.

Jeremy, grantham and kathy wood are predicting the exact opposite scenarios for the market. Obviously, they can't both be right in this video we'll take a deep dive into their competing predictions to see which of them makes more sense. Quick pause from our sponsors over at masterworks.io, given the high uncertainty around the stock market and inflationary fears. Now, more than ever, it's important to diversify into alternative asset classes.

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Today and now back to the video. A few days ago, jeremy grantham published a long and detailed report explaining why the stock market is currently in a super bubble. I put a link in the description below and i recommend you read the whole thing. If you have time, grantham thinks that today's stock market looked extremely similar to three previous super bubbles.

Over the past century, the market crashed during the great depression and the japanese stock market bubble of 1989.. For all three of these bubbles, the rate of price increase accelerated in the last couple years before the crash. If you draw a linear trend line through each of the charts, you can see that they went well above the trend in the last couple years. As the bubble inflates, people get more and more excited pushing the prices up even further, but eventually the valuations become absurd and it reaches a breaking point in grantham's view.

Another common characteristic of bubbles is that they don't pop evenly the bubble stocks that led the market on the way up are most overvalued and are thus the first to collapse. This can be seen clearly with kathy wood's arc innovation etf at the start of the pandemic. Her disruptive technology stocks massively outperformed the s, p 500. They peaked in february of 2021, almost one year ago, since then they've been massive underperformers and have given back almost all of their gains.

A lot of these companies are losing money and have extremely high price to sales valuations. When a company has no earnings, it has no valuation to support. So they are the first stocks investors dump when they get scared. The mega cap tech companies like apple and google, are highly profitable, so investors are more comfortable holding on to them.
These blue chip stocks will be the last man standing, but grantham thinks that even these stocks will eventually crash and bring the market indices down with them. Another telltale sign of a market bubble is crazy: investor behavior, which is a little bit more difficult to quantify in recent years. Trading apps, like robinhood, have gamified the stock market and brought in tens of millions of new investors for investors who first started buying stocks at the pandemic. Lows they've, never experienced a bear market and think that stocks only go up.

Things have gotten even crazier, with the rise of cryptocurrencies dogecoin was started as a joke, but achieved a market cap of almost 90 billion dollars at the peak and melania trump is selling nfts for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Each grantham developed a model to predict the fair price and earnings ratio for the s p 500. He uses three variables as inputs. The average return on equity of companies, volatility and inflation in volatility and gdp growth.

A higher return on equity should increase p e ratios because it means companies are more profitable and it should be easier for them to grow their earnings. Higher volatility in inflation or gdp should decrease p e ratios as investors, hate uncertainty and thus demand a higher risk premium. In grantham's view, the fed created the current bubble by printing trillions of new dollars. All this new money is causing inflation to rise, which will ultimately bring the downfall of the bubble.

Importantly, high in volatile inflation is a major crux for grantham's market crash predictions, and this brings us to the other side of the debate where we have arkan best founder kathy wood. She thinks that inflation fears are overblown and disruptive technology. Stocks are now in deep value territory. A few weeks ago, she published an article explaining why this is the case.

I also put a link to this in the description below, while her stocks have been hit the hardest in the recent market crash. She thinks this also sets them up to massively outperform when the market rebounds, she made a table showing the performance of some of her top holdings, zoom, docusign and teledoc. These stocks were down between 50 and 70 from their all-time highs. In fact, they're down.

Even more now, but she points out that in the same time period their revenues have increased dramatically, despite tough year-over-year comparisons, while these stocks may have been overvalued at the peak they're at least less overvalued. Today she says the stock market has become dominated by quantitative hedge funds, who use algorithms to buy and short stocks on a minutely basis. These quants make up seventy percent of market volumes whenever inflation or interest rates increase. These algorithms are trained to automatically start shorting companies that are losing money or have high price to sales multiples.
The quants have no idea what are the future growth prospects of these companies or what disruptive technologies they have developed. The talking heads in the financial media cover the negative momentum non-stop, as market crashes always make for good headlines. This adds to the arrow of fear and brings even more selling pressure. Wood thinks that the narrative around inflation has gotten way ahead of itself as artificial intelligence and other technological innovations advance.

The real cost of reducing goods and services will decrease. This will offset at least some of the new money that the fed has printed during the pandemic. The savings rate increased dramatically driven by stimulus, money and people being unable to go outside to spend their cash. This has built up huge pent-up demand, causing consumer spending to skyrocket once the economy reopened.

At the same time, covet-related supply chain issues reduced supply for many goods, causing prices to rise, as these transitory issues work their way out of the economy, inflation will moderate throughout 2022 and the fed won't be forced to raise rates as much as feared. This will allow the entire stock market, and especially the disruptive innovation stocks, to rebound both jeremy grantham and kathy wood, make good points if you read either of their reports individually, you'd probably walk away, agreeing with them, but they come to the exact opposite conclusions. That's why trying to predict market crashes and bottoms is so difficult. Jack bogle invented the index fund.

He says that one of the main reasons most professional investors underperformed the indices is because they try and fail to time market corrections at the end of the day. Nobody knows for sure where the market will be one two or even six months from now, but as long as the american economy continues to chug, along as it has for the past 200 years, the stock market will almost certainly be higher three to five years from Today, with that being said, the valuation gap between growth and value stocks is near record highs to the extent that we're in a stock market bubble it's likely to be in the growth stocks, not the value stocks. The s p 500 value index has a forward price earnings ratio of 17 times, which is only slightly higher than historical averages. If you think tech stocks are in a bubble, it's probably better to rotate to value stocks instead of converting to cash.

This way you can avoid any potential bubble and technology stocks, while at the same time continuing to participate in the normal gains of the stock market. Alright guys that wraps it up for this video. What do you think about the current market crash? Who is right? Jeremy, grantham or kathy wood, or is the reality somewhere in between. Let us know in the comment section below as always.
Thank you so much for watching and we'll see in the next one wall, street millennial signing out.

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31 thoughts on “Jeremy grantham: stocks are in a super-bubble , 40% further downside”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Dwight Simon says:

    I love a good, old fashioned stock market crash lol

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars No Ops says:

    I think for nasdaq it's going to 107-110 to 130-135.

    Currently oversold so I believe will uptrend to around 187-190 and will hit resistance at that area ,
    Then pull down to the top of fibonnaci retracement area of around 160ish and will not hold,

    From here next level is 130-135 if that doesn't hold I'm expecting it to go to 107-110 zone then stablize there as a bottom

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars I Penguin says:

    The US will rebound exactly like Japan did. It didn't. The US GDP will flat line, and the market highs won't be met this decade.

    The global economies have been on the down slide for years.

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Willie Fungo says:

    A crash like that would be a blessing.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars EC says:

    If he was really that good, he could short to make profit.

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Annonimity says:

    Inverse leverage go brrr

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Comrades Capital says:

    The monthly interval MACD for the Dow Jones, Nasdaq, and S/P all flipped bearish this month.

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Rude Sensei says:

    Idk about super bubble, p/e ratios haven't reached 2001 peak and not even close to 2008 peak. But yea we're gonna see a sale here in the next year or two.

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars K Roddy says:

    Graham crackers is always predicting a crash he's worst than YouTubers just needs a πŸ’©ty thumb nail. This is a correction 6-8% with 1-3% volatility til April than back up. He's using technical trend lines for God sakes.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jeff Setter says:

    The trade in 'Art' has devolved into tax evasion & money laundering. Which is why the price of 'Art' has consistently outperformed all classic financial metrics. The more money in the system, the more transfers need to be made, the higher the price of 'Art' (which is the currency of many illicit transactions).

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars O Davis says:

    Umm earnings are still pretty good

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jeff Setter says:

    Advice: Don't ever be the first or the last pessimist.

    Both have nearly a 100% chance of failure.

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Wayne Enterprise says:

    Yet you neglect to mention how many times had Jeremy Grantham missed his predictions. This guy along with mutiple CEO of JP morgan, Morgan Standley had predicted a stock market crash since 2008. Eventually one will happen. If you cherry pick datas then everyone will be right every single time.

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Samson Soturian says:

    Ok, doomer

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars 1boi says:

    i hope it does so that i can double my money

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Chai says:

    Cathy is overrated. All of her predictions have come wrong.

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Michael Steven says:

    Tech is waning on us..The world has never been in a worst time..I think we are all starting to see it's not the "future"..Metaverse be damned.

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars kenii28 says:

    LFG GME IS THE ONLY MOASS

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ian Smith says:

    He thinks the s and p 500 trendline is at 25k ish. Which makes no sense what about all the printed money. Also he has made a TON of bad calls about a market crash. There for sure is some kind of bubble though.

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Siddell Bloodsaw says:

    Cathy gets rinsed with every episode πŸ˜‚

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars brendan brink says:

    With all these bears, influencers, and β€œmarket professionals” coming out screaming about a crash, looks like we are going to be seeing a roaring bull market.

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Midnite Reveries says:

    This guy has literally been saying the market will crash since 2010……every, single, year.

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars StringBean & H2O says:

    Good thing I got out a month ago when my account was only down 10%

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars House Daddy Paperhands says:

    Good info

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars kant says:

    The negative news has gotten insane. Definitely time to start buying.

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars pilipinas aking mahal112 says:

    They will scare you to death so that you can paper hand. After you did it, they will pump it up to the highest level πŸ™ˆ

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jon says:

    Grantham is a super grizzly bear! lol

  28. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Siddell Bloodsaw says:

    If he saw it coming I would have taken positions and rode that stuff down and made lots of money on the way.

  29. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Siddell Bloodsaw says:

    How much downside is left? Quite a bit left.

  30. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars GRIZZLY CAPITAL says:

    FIRST … THANKS FOR YOUR WORK – LOVE YOUR CHANNEL

  31. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Siddell Bloodsaw says:

    This channel is great 😊 love the topics πŸ™‚

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