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The past couple years have not been kind to the world of cryptocurrencies. We've had the 60 billion dollar Terra Luna Ponzi Scheme The 10 billion FTX Ponzi Scheme The world's largest crypto exchange. Binance has been charged with fraud and its founder is nowhere to be found and Coinbase is in the midst of a legal battle with the SEC which could bankrupt the company. Despite these numerous disasters, Crypto Bulls still insist that cryptocurrencies are revolutionary new technology that will change the world for the better.

at the end of the day. For cryptocurrencies to have any value, there needs to be tangible use cases that improve people's lives in the real world. Today, no such use case has been proven. When asked about real world use cases, the crypto bulls usually beat around the bush by giving vague answers about Web 3 or decentralization.

One of the most prominent crypto bowls is a billionaire venture capitalist. Mark Andreessen He founded A16z Crypto, a multi-billion dollar Venture Capital fund dedicated exclusively to crypto opportunities. If anyone knows about crypto use cases, it's 10.. in the summer of 2022, he came onto a podcast hosted by an economics professor named Tyler Cohen which is linked in the description below.

Unlike most news anchors who are clueless. Dr Cohen Presses on Driesen on what the much vaunted Web 3 will actually accomplish. Andreessen's failure to give a single coherent answer is perhaps the most damning indictment of the crypto industry today. And so what? I'm hoping and what we're actually seeking at the firm? What we're trying very hard to find.

Um, I'm hoping for example, for a podcast, I'm hoping five years from now, there will be these thriving, you know, call it web 3 podcast environments that will be open and will be. You know it will have the sort of anarchic, uncontrolled kind of element that I Think that I think you and I both like Um. However, we'll have a higher level of trust and will have a higher level of monetary, incentive and economic incentive um than the open networks of the past usually did in this clip. Mark Andreessen is specifically talking about the podcasting industry.

There are millions of podcasters and thousands of creators making a full-time living by hosting podcasts. Most podcasts are hosted on YouTube and Spotify YouTube is an ad supported platform. The podcaster makes 55 of the revenue from ads shown on their podcasts with YouTube Keeping The other 45. Spotify is supported by both ads and subscription payments because they earn high Revenue per user.

Spotify generally pays podcasters a higher rate per listen as compared to YouTube. The trade off is that YouTube has more users so all else equal. You can get generally more views on YouTube than you can get listened on. Spotify.

Either way, the business model is the same. YouTube and Spotify create and maintain platforms which allow podcasters to connect with their listeners. In return, they charge a fee, taking a portion of the revenue for themselves. So why do we need centralized platforms like YouTube and Spotify? Why can't the podcasters just communicate with their fans directly? As a podcaster, you could set up your own website and buy your own servers, but this would be an expensive and time-consuming process which most podcasters don't have the technical expertise to do.
and unless you're already a famous podcaster, no one even knows you. so your website will get zero traffic. You're much better off using an established platform like YouTube or Spotify, which is what the vast majority of podcasters do. Also, despite their near Monopoly positions, YouTube and Spotify do not make excessive profits.

Google does not disclose YouTube's profitability, but many analysts believe that they're barely breaking even and Spotify is still losing money. This is because they have to spend billions of dollars to build and maintain massive data centers, so support the billions of hours of content on the platform, which is viewed by hundreds of millions of people each day. So podcasters already have a pretty good setup. Centralized platforms like YouTube and Spotify have economies of scale, which allow them to host and deliver content far more cheaply and efficiently than if every podcaster had to do it themselves.

But according to Mark Andreessen, he can create an even better platform with Web 3, which will allow for greater levels of trust and monetary incentives. So what is he talking about? But what's the concrete advantage of Web 3.0 for podcasts? So right now you and I may not feel like it, but we are anarchic and uncontrolled, right? Like we can say something, some external Force isn't going to censor us. Why is this a better podcast? If it's done through Web 3.0 why can't we just put it out there? Yeah, well, the most obvious thing is just money. Um, you just you don't get paid right? And so like YouTube YouTube has built-in monetization.

Spotify has built-in monetization. You know a big way that they're able to sort of entice creators over um, is is by paying them. You can tell that Mark Andreessen isn't used to answering tough questions about crypto and web 3. When Dr Cohen asks him how a Web 3 podcast will be better than a traditional podcast.

Andreessen says quote. The most obvious thing is money. You just don't get paid unquote. Right after that, he says quote: YouTube has built-in monetization Spotify has built-in monetization.

unquote. He concedes that these centralized platforms have monetization, so a statements immediately contradict each other. It appears that Andreessen was not expecting to be pressed on this issue, so he didn't have a prepared response. So he starts grasping at straws and gives a completely nonsensical answer.

famously: Joe Rogan You know they're paying him, but it you know, only see the published reports, but you know a very large amount of money to take his content out of the open ecosystem and put it into it. Put it into a closed ecosystem and you know And I'm like and again like I'm You know, good for Spotify like I think that's tremendous. It seems to be great for their business. Um, you know that's all good.
and I'm glad that Joe Rogan's making money. but like he in my like he Joe Rogan should not have to choose. He should not have to choose between being part of an open internet um and basically not having a way to make money. um and then kind of going into a silo and then and then having that be the way that he makes money like that here.

Mark Andreessen says some things that are simply not true and not even close to being true. He's talking about the podcaster. Joe Rogan In 2020, Spotify reportedly paid Joe Rogan 200 million dollars to move his podcast from YouTube to Spotify where it'll be exclusive. Now the only way to watch full-length episodes of The Joe Rogan podcast is on Spotify according to Mark Andreessen Joe Rogan had a binary decision.

Either he could sign the exclusive deal with Spotify and make a lot of money or he could be part of an open internet and basically not have a way to make money. This is a direct quote from Mark Andreessen he said on the open internet Joe Rogan basically does not have a way to make money. This is completely false. Before the Spotify deal Joe Rogan was making millions of dollars per year on YouTube his YouTube show was completely non-exclusive so he was free to post his podcast wherever he wanted with no restrictions.

Obviously Spotify was willing to pay Joe Rogan more to make his podcast exclusive on their platform as this will drive more subscriptions. So if Mark Andreessen doesn't like close Zikos systems like Spotify, how does he propose to make a better system with Web 3.? How does someone like Rogan it doesn't have to be him but a well-known podcast host? How does that person get paid in a better way through Web 3.0 Make that more concrete for us? Yeah yeah. I mean I mean they pick they can pick their business model I mean they can pick their business model. They can decide to be a subscription-based business model.

You know, micro transactions they can pick. You know you can pick whatever model they want. Um, you know they can also have indirect. You know there's this whole this whole new rise of this kind of the the non-functionable token.

Um, you know, kind of this idea of unique digital assets. There's you know, completely different monetization methods that are opening up for media. Um, you know it's entirely possible in the future. For example, you'll have entire you know forms of media like video games and sporting events and music and so forth that will monetize in completely different ways through the creation of you know, unique digital property.
You know they get sold and and uh, And Trades Um, and so you? yeah, it's you know, it's it's yeah, it's look, it's injecting. It's injecting economics. It's injecting at a very fundamental level. kind of Internet Native money, Internet, native economics and incentives.

When Dr Cohen presses him for specifics Mark Andreessen Retreats into vague buzzwords like Nfts or Unique Digital Property. With Web 3, a podcaster can choose to monetize through a subscription model or microtransactions. The problem is, these business models already exist and have nothing to do with Web 3. YouTube and Twitch already have Micro transactions.

Platforms like Spotify and Patreon already have subscription models. But more importantly, Marcon Driesen doesn't explain how a Web 3, subscription or microtransaction business model would even work. You would still need a centralized platform to maintain the data centers that host the content. It sounds like what Andresen is talking about is a hypothetical platform identical to YouTube or Spotify, but instead of transacting in legal tender, they transact in cryptocurrencies.

Although it's hard to tell exactly what he's talking about because his answers are so vague and nonsensical. But it's the key difference. Easier micropayments is the key difference. So being able to sell Collectibles More readily say with the Nft model rather than signed t-shirts, they don't sound very big to me.

They both sound like possible advantages, but as a percentage of GDP, they sound like really tiny advantages. Well, it depends on your percentage of GDP. I Mean it's a percentage of GDP like everything is Tiny compared to like healthcare. Um so so I mean the media industry is quite small, right? Like if you just if you look at slice of slice of percentage of GDP like I don't really look at it as like okay this this therefore has to lead to like an expansion of 100x in the media business.

Like that's not the like. Maybe I think it grows the media business but it doesn't have to like it cost to explode like that. but having it be having it be a better proposition for creators having to be a better proposition for consumers having content come into existence that didn't exist before and then. Also, just as you think about scale, scale on these things is really hard to forecast as it turns out and the reason is just, we live in a world now very different than prior worlds.

We live in a world where we now have 5 billion directly addressable consumers online at any moment for any new thing, right? And if you just look at like just you know. Most recent example of tick tock you know Tick Tock is just. you know, Who knew that short form videos were going to be that big? And it just turns out that 5 billion people is a significant percentage of the like short-term video short form videos. All of a sudden it's this huge business and so the I think these things.
These are unpredictable in the scope that they this the scale that they can reach and I think we might be surprised to the upside about what happens when you start to make some of these things possible here. Mark Andreessen gives a master class on how to avoid a question. It's important to note that today there are no Web3 podcasts. They don't exist.

It's a theoretical thing that Mark Andreessen claims that his company is working on. He says that Tick Tock was far more successful than most people imagined, and therefore, his hypothetical Web 3 podcast could end up being far more successful than most people imagine. But Tick Tock has absolutely nothing to do with web3 or cryptocurrencies. The fact that Andreessen has to divert by talking about Tick Tock is further evidence that he has no rational arguments.

The idea of having crypto based micropayments is absurd on its face. unless you happen to live in. El Salvador cryptocurrencies are not considered to be legal tender. If a podcaster is paid in crypto, they would have to calculate capital gains and losses every time they sell their cryptocurrencies for tax reporting.

This would be a bookkeeping nightmare. As far as Nfts, the bubble has already burst. It is estimated that 95 of all Nfts are currently worthless. It's important to stress that Mark Andreessen runs a multi-billion dollar crypto Venture firm.

The fact that he can't give a single coherent answer about real world applications for cryptocurrencies shows that such real world applications simply do not exist. So whenever you hear people throwing around buzzwords like web3, owning a piece of the internet, or decentralization, know that it's all. Bs All right guys, that wraps it up for this video. what do you think about? Mark Andreessen Let us know in the comments section below.

As always, thank you so much for watching and we'll see you in the next one! Wall Street Millennial Signing out.

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30 thoughts on “Even marc andreessen can’t explain web 3.0”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars David Budge says:

    Hans Christian Anderson wrote an amazing story fore seeing NFTs and crypto currencies it's called The Emperor's New Clothes.

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Luigi Don Disco says:

    in the end, web3 hasnt been achieved yet. u know about a permissionless open verifiable global network protocol immune to censorship? lemme know if u do.

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Luigi Don Disco says:

    bruh all those problematic entities ur mentioning at the very beginning arent web3. theyre web2 fiat onramps that arent any better than ur average bank. just grifters profiting off the hype.

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars GeorgiH says:

    fuck web3, this is a scam so losers can lose their money. NFT's were the future of art, yeah, right 😀 Who talks about those jpeg bullshit now 😀

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ryan Shaw says:

    those who actually get bitcoin know BTC is NOT bitcoin, BSV is.. as per all your examples here, no one is putting data on chain efficiently, no one can transfer tokens because theyre off chain unless its BSV..

    use cases..
    data and videos on chain
    inherent auditable tokens
    immutable data and Un censorable leakers who put their evidence on a platform you cant take down.
    DAOs.. organizations with ownership rights and incentivization that is actually distributed.
    transactions world wide for a fraction of a fractionb of a penny
    Decentralized exchanges with indefinite auditability

    all currently feasible on BSV. Proof that BTC is a scam.

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars panographic says:

    How did Marc Andreessen go from inventing the influential Netscape browser to pandering this web3.0 scam? A genuine fall from grace …

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Douglas Sun says:

    Oh God, I just realized: Now that he has shaved his head, Marc Andreesen looks exactly like Zippy the Pinhead.

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Hola! Denis Robert says:

    There’s no such thing as web3. It’s a vessel for any hand waving magic beans scammers want to sell you. With blockchain.

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars pj says:

    Sounds like distributed computing. Also, 5B reachable consumers / 5M echo chambers don't buy you very many customers for your advertising buck.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars nikko validor says:

    web 3 is for people who want to basically be the owners of the new internet

    they could only dream about travelling back in time to attempt taking ownership of the internet when it got established

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars MGW says:

    The only real world application for cryptocurrency is to pay for illegal items and services, which is fairly inconvenient for crypto enthusiasts trying to make it mainstream.

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars julian foot says:

    This is the same as all the other frauds. Someone spouting BS and other people nodding and telling everyone else to invest. Utter rubbish. I kew someone who was a "Crypto advisor" told me I didn't understand its complexity when I told him I thought it was flim flam. Funny… he no longer works in Crypto now.

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars julian foot says:

    This is the same as all the other frauds. Someone spouting BS and other people nodding and telling everyone else to invest. Utter rubbish. I kew someone who was a "Crypto advisor" told me I didn't understand its complexity when I told him I thought it was flim flam. Funny… he no longer works in Crypto now.

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Sky Tech says:

    To play the devil advocate, He is not saying you can't do podcast in other platforms instead web3 removes the gatekeepers because its a "public" database. He knows what he is talking about but he is overselling 😅.
    IMO, web is just inefficient in thermodynamics standpoint otherwise it would have suceeded long before. I other words market will almosy always choose least resistance for higher profits

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jim Elliott says:

    wow so many words but no info

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jose Fernandez says:

    You just have to keep saying to the moon watch it will happen lol

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Zminator1986 says:

    What i keep finding mind boggling about these crypto bros and blockchain boiz is how they keep trying to justify "Web 3" with systems and methods that already exists and don't need blockchain, but they keep talking like a politician rather than getting to the point.

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Alfie says:

    Lol what is the us currency use case then? And what is a crypto currency use case? 😂

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Till Salzer says:

    Not sure about what you consider a podcast here? To me, it’s (mostly) audio media, which is downloaded to a podcatcher and available on the move. I don’t consider YouTube a podcast platform, and Spotify… tries to become „the podcast platform“. Which it is not.

    AFAIK you don’t need much tech to host a podcast: basically just a website, mostly to host your audio files. Then you register it at… some Apple service, which is surprising, unless you consider where the words podcast comes from.

    Done.

    This illustrates the problem Andresen tries to address here: how to make money? Because, as we know, downloads are not impressions, and in the US, podcasts are usually financed by ads. His solution mostly tries to solve that on a technical level, which may work, if your listeners are interested in getting milked harder.

    The platform solution (Spotify) is obviously the worst case, as it basically tries to dry up all but one or two platforms, which eventually sucks a huge chunk of the money from the creators. And for what? Hosting a file and registering and address with Apple.

    So, while Web3 podcasts are most probably BS and, again most probably, will not become „a thing“, the opposite of this argument is also wrong, and, since Spotify and YouTube are already on the move, with a real chance of succeeding, even worse.

    Thumbs down for this episode for being poorly researched. 😢

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Uni3 says:

    For me its simple financial accesibility. I couldnt receive payments for freelance works that I did cause my country banned all the companies like paypal and wise and I had to loose up to %40 of that money if I wanted it to be transfered through my bank. Crypto just ease the process

    And I thinks thats the problem if you are in a country with good financial insfrastructure currently web3 is not a better alternative and you see all the people in those situations claiming its better

    I like Marc I think he is right about lots of things he is mentioning, however focusing on the industries that are already well functioning causing people to ignore the rest of the use cases

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jim M. says:

    coneheads are real. WOW.

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars C Dubs says:

    Fun fact – because of Joe Rogan's Spotify deal, I don't subscribe to Spotify.

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ultradude says:

    This channel's videos should be viewed much more. I don't know how other similar channels are doing in terms of views compare to this. I'm saying almost every video on here really hits.

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Kartikay Kumar says:

    I mean just because prominent VCs cant explain what web 3 really is, does not necessarily mean that web 3 does not have real world use cases. I would suggest you to look at what Dfinity Foundation is doing with Internet Computer, you would get a much bigger idea or picture about what web 3 really means and how are they implementing it. Although I do agree here that, 90% crypto companies/ VCs are trying to shill schemes on the retail audiences.

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars ilker says:

    His last podcast with Joe Rogan was also pretty silly 😀

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars MBG says:

    One more hit piece on a scammer. Keep them coming!

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Rxcketeer says:

    Humpty got pushed over

  28. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Richard Howell-Peak says:

    Crypto Currency could actually have numerous advantages over fiat currency, however only when it reaches a tipping point where it can form a closed economic system. The problem is at the moment, you still need to ultimately convert back into Fiat to buy things like rent, petrol, food etc. This means that converting dollars to crypto and then back to dollars again is completely pointless. So it really sucks as a parallel currency and doesn't interface well with fiat as it just introduces an extra step. What no crypto bull has yet explained, is how to overcome that network effect and reach that tipping point. Sure, on the other side of the tipping point, things theoretically would be better, but just having something better is not enough to guarantee you'll displace the incumbent due to the network effect.

  29. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Abhaya says:

    Bitcoin Web 3.0 and Large Language models are all scams and I think we can look to a future of all these three being involved in financing of terrorism Drug trafficking Money laundering and all kinds of scamming of innocent gullible human beings. I dont see anything good ever coming out of this rubbish.

  30. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars YouThought says:

    It’s all BS besides Bitcoin, and only as an alternate store of value. Maybe a handful of companies/ coins will be around in 5 years

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