What's going on, everybody welcome to the tui talk. Show uh is this. I can't remember if this is episode, seven or eight, i want to say we're going on eight here um and i have a really special guest. I apologize.

I was not able to make uh make it. Last week i had family in town, but now i've got one of my really good friends in town who i'm extremely excited to introduce to you. Some of you might have heard him. He doesn't have a huge presence on twitter, but he absolutely murdered the 2020 and 2021 market he's been like a huge inspiration for me.

I actually met up with him for the first time. I met him on twitter and flew down to aruba and met up with him and it's it's been a pretty wild story, but we'll get into it um without further further ado, connor callaway. What's going on guys yeah me and bryce met on twitter uh, i think through the last podcast i did with uh jack and all them and then uh talking from there and we uh yeah. We met up in aruba, he flew down.

He was skeptical about flying down, but he came out made the made the mission and then uh from there we've been talking about. You know: markets uh in all senses since, and i've been good friends ever since yeah. It's it's crazy because, as as traders, we all kind of have this bond right through what we do for work um. But on top of that then, like there are some people you just connect really well with connor, and i have been like just fantastic friends outside of the market as well, and it's truly truly been a blessing gotten to learn a lot from him and just seen.

Uh, how much of a degenerate he can be too, but we're all a little bit degenerate at heart, um and actually. But when i flew down to aruba i because this was back uh august of 2021, so nfts were like really just starting to pop off and there were the pudgy penguins which matt had bought connor. Did you end up buying any yeah yeah, so matt bought it? Pretty like a little earlier than i did, but once matt bought it, i saw them. I'm like these are adorable like i just wanted to buy them too.

So i ended up. I was in miami partying before uh before aruba and uh. I bought a few of them. I got a night out and uh.

I think i sold them when we were in aruba right yeah. So that's i told my mom because she was like oh like who are you in aruba with and i'm like this guy. He buys and sells penguins and she was like she was freaking out. She's like you, do not hang out with the animal abuser.

Those people will kill you. If you tell i'm like mama. No, no, like i was joking, their pictures. I was just being sarcastic and uh, but no, it was yeah that was back like peak nft or well, not peak like beginning of when nfcs really started to pick up, probably one of the first uh first peaks of it.

Like i mean the first peak was obviously i think would have been around march um march april 2021 uh, but then, after that, like they really picked up over the summer like august july and uh. That was definitely a hot time. They slowed down september picked back up in october, but the cool thing with the nft market that i've noticed at least is uh the peaks and, like the lows, it's so quick, like in market cycles, i mean obviously because it's rather new, but the p like it's Like slow down for a month pick up for two slow down for a month versus like stocks, you're gon na have, like you know, eight month, slow downs or whatever, and that's like in this market, normally you'll have even longer right. So it's a cool market to you, know, look at and see what's um for people watching because you're you do have a twitter.

However, you're not you actually don't even have access to it right now, so my twitter is literally penguin cons. Um penguin spelled incorrectly right correctly. Yeah, i'm not very good at english, so i spelt it wrong um, but yeah it used to be. Like penny cons.

I think yeah and i changed it to penguin cons one day and someone stole pennycon, so i couldn't change it back, so that is my like technical twitter and that's like the only place. You'll find me regarding like stock stuff, but at the same time i haven't had twitter in a few months now, at this point right yeah. I think your last post was in february yeah, yeah um, that's what i was getting at. It's like i'm sure, for people wondering like okay, who is this guy like what's, and i know we're talking about nfts right now, so we'll get to the stock stuff in a minute like.

What's your experience with the nft space yeah so right now with nft space uh at first it was just buying and selling nfts, but you know one of the cool things that i wish you know for in the stock world. It was like a potential for, like i always traded stocks right and uh when nft started coming out. It was kind of like you're like bringing us a company public or whatever, which obviously i have no idea like any background stuff of that. So i really got interested in the creating of nfts um, so i basically right now so far i've you know funded uh marketing for a few the project for a few projects, uh they haven't launched yet um they're set to launch.

You know sometime in the next few months, but uh that's kind of what i've you know really focused on in the nft world and also meeting a lot of people, who've created, nfts and uh. That's my focus there it's more on the creation side and you know meeting those people in comparison to actually trading them. That also comes to like a bit of like me, being confused by the whole buying and selling of them like it's, like you put so much time into stocks or whatever. But then, when a new market comes out like totally different like nfts, it can be like a little confusing right.

So i'm more interested and more working on the creation side of things for sure i love it yeah that was really kind of a cool thing that i've i've kind of gotten to watch. You do, and it's like it's totally totally different than like going and trading nfts um yeah, it's more on, like the business side of it right, like you're, working with the financials like understanding how not just how much money to put into marketing but where the best Most effective ways to market the artwork exactly and that's the craziest thing with any new business or any new venture of any sort like the errors you just have to go through them right, so i've definitely had my fair share of you know: errors in terms of Allocating capital in certain points for marketing, or even just like, teaming up with certain people or like whatever it may be and uh it's definitely an interesting market uh. It's really cool to learn it, though for sure absolutely um, and so that that's we'll we'll keep the nft talk brief here, um, because i know you, like you, said you're working on a few projects and that's about that's about it right now, yeah! Actually one more question: besides the pudgy penguins, were you actively trading anything else like around that time or no uh? So back in the day i had a like. I had a board api club.

I had a had a punk um, but i had them when they were. I think, like the punk was 40k floor. Uh board ape was maybe 20. but like back then it was like.

I didn't really know what they could ever become. There was no like blueprints of like what an nft could become, so you know you make two grand on something like that or whatever, and it was like. Okay, whatever so you know, i i sold them a long long time ago, um and other than that. I had one of my buddies, who would you know buy? I got ta give him a recommendation to buy this, and then he had some of my capital in crypto, and you know we just do that type of thing, but uh i haven't really been buying or selling too many of them um at all, really uh.

I just haven't really got to be able to nail them, learn them. Okay. I know i said we're gon na like like transition to stocks, but i am kind of curious you're, one. The way that you've have seen the nft space change like what it's become now and kind of where you think it's going, because i know you have a yes you're in tune with it.

Yeah, so i mean the realistic of the nft world is the way that, like i like to think about, it is kind of, like i mean i'm sure, a lot of people that listen to these podcasts know what the otc is, and so like solana market seems, Like otc to me and then eth seems like small cap, mid-cap, large cap and so it'd be like nasdaq's and stuff right right and i think the realistic is just going to become that the big projects that are coming out. You know right now, like uh moon birds just came out, and that was an 80 million project and uh. I think that's going to become a realistic. I think, when a big project releases it's going to be 80 to 120 ml market cap and it's going to be harder to release projects.

I don't think like back in you know, october of this year you were able to do let's say a 20 30 k marketing budget you'd probably sell out a million dollars of nfts still possible. If you know the right people and this and that, but it's getting harder for sure - and i think soon enough, like the million dollar projects - are going to be kind of ignored, and i think at one point it's going to be. You know 80 to 120 million market caps for a solid project, and so the creators of these projects are going to put multiple millions of dollars into marketing and you know making sure everything's. Okay, the artwork, the websites, all the content, um, but then they're gon na sell the projects um on mint.

For you know: 80 120 million. I don't know how soon that is. I was kind of surprised that uh one happened: moon birds, yep. I thought i've been talking to bryce about this for a while.

We started talking about that type of project, how that will be the future in january, but i thought that was going to be next year, like i didn't think that was going to be coming around now, so i think the projects are just going to get bigger. I think they're going to get more expensive and just like any business in the world like they start off at one point, but at one point it's too expensive to start it right like say, like you can't start a real estate development, uh company with i mean, Maybe i'm wrong, but i don't think you can with 10k right right right, but at one point that might have been a potential to start with a lot less capital than you need today. So it's just, i think, realistically, like the projects to create them is going to get a lot more expensive marketing going to get a lot more expensive and then also being able to bring the buyers into one. Big project is going to be where people are going to look for you know the the projects that they're going to actually want to put a lot of their capital into are going to be the big big projects.

Do you think that, like legitimizes, though the space i completely do because, like let's say with like moon birds right, i have no idea what i usually do case studies on nfts to try and learn like what they did for marketing like who they work with generally, Like those type of things, what they probably use for a capital - uh startup on it - and i haven't done it on moon birds yet, but i'm going to assume it was multiple millions. It had to be there's no way, it wasn't um and you know if, let's say it gets to the point where you need to get ten million dollars to drop a project because the project's gon na sell out for a hundred mil. But let's say - or let's say it's even just 50 mil, but you need 10 million to do it - you're not going to have these guys that are, you know, scared to put out you know their docs personas you're not going to have guys that are just creating You know rug pulls because, if you're putting 10 million into it you're getting that capital some way, and you know to get that capital. You have to put yourself out there right.

You can't just be a hidden face, you're going through like vc's, who do not want their name negatively associated with the rug poll yeah so when it gets to those like that level of projects. It's going to legitimize so much of the nft world, because it's going to make it you know expensive to get into and when it's expensive to get into it. You take out a caliber of um people in the business world, not that if you have less money or a different caliber, but just in the business world takes out a caliber of people that could just go drop a project and you know do it in a Week or two and try to make a couple dollars, um it's gon na, be you know, people creating serious, serious business and uh also like footprints in the nft world, and you know you never want your footprint to be terrible right. So i think that was a big thing.

I could be wrong, i want to say the the guy who launched moon birds was uh, kevin kevin rose or something like that. He has had other success. You know they were like three four. You know, i think, maybe a 10 million dollar project, but you know he at that point.

This is what i want to ask too. I guess we're not even coming close to deviating away from nfts here, because this is interesting but um. Not only did he build up capital himself, but he built up those networks that you need, and i wanted to ask your opinion like. I know, you're huge on networking.

How big is that in the nft space? You think i think it's everything to be honest with you, because it's still such a new space that, if you i personally like like bryce, said i don't have a name like in social media sense at all. But if you have that name for yourself in the social media sense at all for nfts and it's nft, you know focused and all of that, like you, have a pull in any direction, really yeah, um and building. That is a big thing, but also like you said, building the connections where you know you know other people that have dropped projects. So, let's say, for example, if bryce dropped the project, i could contact bryce and say: hey man.

Like i mean you were great friends from whatever sense and connections, and what did you do wrong like? Can you just help me in any way right and since it's such a new world, like people are very out there to help um, it's already getting less people being less collaborative but like in other senses of the world like even like in stocks and stuff, like People are less likely to help a random person because it's a very competitive world at first the nfts were so collaborative it wasn't so competitive. It's getting more competitive now for sure, like a lot more, but building those connections with people and just being a genuine person will definitely do wonders for whatever you know if it's creating, if it's buying selling, if it's whitelist spots, like whatever you're looking to do in Really any aspect of business, you know, connections can be everything if you do it right right. So what? What do you think you know they're gon na be people who know nothing about this right. Like i mean they, they know what, and i i think, if you're probably watching this, you probably at least know what an nft is you've heard of it, but they want to get into the space.

Maybe they just even start off trading it, but like what do you, if you were in someone else's shoes? How would you go about that networking aspect? You know what i mean. Would you be going to events? Would you be? I think events are everything i think it's. I think i could be wrong because, like i've always been kind of quieter on social media, like my old twitter, that i had was just basically memes but like being realistic, like the crypto space, has more events than i've ever seen. A stock market in my like in my life, like i've, never seen like nasdaq events.

You know what i mean. Crypto has everything, though so the nft events i mean they just had nft miami right and going to those events like the thing is like. If you can get yourself in the door which, for this just happens to be walking through it, the door's open right, it might cost a couple dollars or whatever. But it's investing in yourself, though, exactly and as long as you can hold yourself like um.

As long as you can carry a conversation and you've worked on yourself enough to present a good image, then once you get through that door, that's all you got. You got yourself right, so you can go to these events and actually portray like a good image and like be yourself, i think that's the best way to network, because you're actually meeting these people one-on-one and like let's say, for example, me and you knew each other For like four months before meeting and we'd, just like talk online and like we're friends for sure, but like once, we met we saw like we had really similar goals outside the stock market and before that, all we really knew was like he trades. I trade. We trade similar whatever this and that, but then, when you meet them you you know you learn about the person right.

So if you can maintain a relationship, then you can connect with all the people that are in the nft world and it's still very small, a very small, like community of people right. Well, it's funny too, because you know we're most. You guys, are, you know, on stock, twitter youtube whatever, so, like all of these concepts that we talk about are pretty commonly talked about in in the stock space in the trading space, but you go outside of that. People still have no idea what it like go to your parents.

Go to your go to your friends who have not like know nothing about stocks. They probably they know what crypto is right, but if you go and try to tell them like oh yeah, this is this is the point of an nft right now like this is what they do. People are still going to be very one skeptical and probably as they should be, it's very new um, but they just don't understand so, relatively speaking. That world is small.

It's just we're in like this yeah and that's that's one thing that, like you know i i live in dubai in the winter or at least last winter i lived in dubai and that's going to be kind of a going forward thing um, but being in dubai. Everyone's crypto everyone's nft, so it was pretty cool because i was the only american stock trader out of every group that i would meet. Nobody really traded american stocks. Nobody, nobody knew what the otc was, but in my business world before that, everyone knew that was all it was like.

If you talk to anybody that i knew oh you heard of otc is well of course, i heard of otcs right. So then, when you go there and nobody's heard of it and you're like okay, well, like like, i don't trade otc anymore, it's a dying market, but everyone here knows nfts and stuff. But if i go home to my hometown - and i talk to my friends - they might know what it is, but they know the memes about it. They don't you know right and they don't know like anything uh above that which just happens to be.

You know it's just research that people have done right, so the nft world's so super small, like i see it as like an otc, but like way back in the day right like it's still a very small community, a lot of opportunities still exactly right. Would you would you also agree with the there are these events, but i mean a way to literally go to exclusive events is by actually right buying the nft right and you're going to be meeting people who are one i mean half the time, you're probably meet The owner of the project right yeah, but like stuff like that, like that's, probably another way to get into it, is you know. I know this is like still talking about the transition of nfts from where they started where they are now. But a lot of the successful nft projects come with outside real-world applications right where there are member-only events.

Member exclusives, we were just watching a video last night where, like the event, was only for nft that yeah. So it's like i've been to i've been to a few of them. Now um, i met some owners. You know at f1, in abu dhabi and uh.

They invited me out to their events and uh great guys, um, and you know those events. Everyone there, like really is passionate about the nft world and all of those type of things and on those events like the thing that a lot of people don't see is if you meet a thousand people right right, let's make the number small you meet 100 people. Let's say 70 of them: don't give you a connection that was worthwhile, but you can still learn from those 70 people because you might learn what not to do. You might learn how to do what they're doing, but a little better.

You might you're going to learn something as long as you're open to learn from everybody and then, let's say 20 of those people. You know give you a connection, that's kind of the classic. Like you know anything, you need. Let me know, but you know that's.

You message them and they're not actually like able to help right right, but you're going to meet a few people that actually make a substantial difference in a certain area of your life. It might not be your whole life, but they'll make a difference in the nft world to make a difference. In you know, crypto they'll make a difference in all coins or you know for them they met someone that can trade american markets right. So it's like you're able to learn from everybody.

So as long as you go and you you're open-minded in the sense that, like this one nft event right, it's not like, like a lot of people, try to sell it. That, like you'll, go to an nft event and you're going to meet someone. That's going to change your life, but, like i learned this very a very long time ago, uh like 2018., one really good friend of mine, told me this and he said you're never going to meet anyone. That's going to like just give you the golden key there's.

Nobody out there in the world that will do that right and so, as long as you go to these events - and you know, you're not going to meet one person, that'll change everything, but you might meet a hundred people that will all have a difference on little Areas of your life that could change everything is, if you take the time to. You, know, create a diagnosis of everything um. Then those events are super worthwhile right. So right you just got ta.

Do your due diligence, i guess, on the projects and see which ones are like legitimate enough to have events that'll, have that, and also like one of the best ways you can do. That is just see who they're marketing to right, like if you found a wrote about this project on tick, tock, right and they're, having events well, sadly, to say: you're, probably not going to meet many people that are going to change your life. If you found out the project and their main marketing was tick tock, but if you found out about this project because of such and such that are big business or whatever you're looking for um areas of your life, then yeah that might actually be a big project For you right, that's true so sometimes like with nfts, at least in this current day of nfts, like a good way to look at you know if an nft is worth it in your in your mind, is: is it something that actually correlates to you, or is It just something random, like every nft right now is having events right, but which ones are actually going to make a difference to you because which ones actually revolve around something you're interested in right. So that's like the one thing i would say on.

Like those type of events, you know you just got to pick the ones that are actually have the potential of changing something for you, because they're actually something that you relatively revolve around right. 100 and the last thing i'll ask about this is, and i get this will actually probably transition us into the next part, but are we in a bubble? I think it's an inevitable answer that we are, but i think the realistic is too is that we, you never know when it's going to pop, and you also don't know, i think the thing that people i think one thing right now is the nft world. Definitely in a bubble i mean everything: theoretically is that's right: everything in real estate stocks, exactly yeah, but certain areas of a bubble like people umbrella, the term nfts, as one thing so like we said like it's going to transition into very expensive projects. So would that be the bubble popping? Theoretically, it could be right because we're transitioning into an area where the average person can't go, make a project and make millions of dollars which means that that area of nft nfts popped that bubble was gone.

But now we came out of it in a new way, so the thought that i kind of see is like we're everything's in a bubble, but how will things come out of the bubble and which areas could survive? And i think the realistic is you know three years from now, yeah everything could be down 90 nft world, but at the same time that's everything like you have the constant risk of pretty much everything in your life dropping by half right now, right and everyone will Tell you that your dad will tell you that your grandpa will and but everyone's still bullish on a lot of things, because the realistic is you never know when the bubble's gon na pop and the bubble might deflate a lot before actually popping right. So it might deflate and then it might go back up right. So the realistic is is like we're definitely in a bubble, but there's i think it's going to be more of a transition bubble. It's going to just change things and eliminate, i think, eliminate the negatives of the nft world.

That's that's what i personally think i love it. I love it. That's write all that stuff down guys if you're listening that like that is a great way to like get into the space, and i don't know i i again we were talking about this in january and it already happened right kind of the nfc world is changing. It's yeah way faster than we thought it was going gon na happen, but the nfc world is changing and that's okay.

You just need to kind of understand why and how to take advantage of that right. Like there's, i still think there's gon na be plenty of opportunities, exactly um. Now, let's backtrack a bit right like this. This is you know, basically the past, like six months.

Eight months of you know your your um your journey here, but like way back in the day, you were started as just a stock trader, really nothing more i'd. Love to. I already know all this, but i'd love to hear your story, even maybe a little bit before you got into trading kind of what inspired you and then we'll get going into your journey as a stock trader way. Back in the day i was selling shoes.

I started i worked at mcdonald's and i sold shoes like resold, easy stuff like that um. This was in high school high school yeah. I was like 15 years old, 16. uh when i was turning 16 like middle way through the year.

I quit mcdonald's because i was doing well selling shoes and i got to the point where i just realized like. If i want to get to that next level. In my life i either need a huge capital investment for shoes which i didn't have um with shoes. You know you can't just i mean you can but you're not going to start making.

You know multi-six seven figures a year selling shoes with no capital investment right. So i wanted to take it to the next level and i was tired of you know: meeting people and people's parents and well what do you do? I sell shoes right so i figured you know: what's a legitimate looking thing of stocks right and so what actually happened was an economics class and uh. We were doing a project where basically, they give you. This is grade 12 grade 11 of high school.

So i was 17 and uh or 16 still and uh. We did a project, they gave you 100k of fake money and on monday you would write down on a piece of paper. What stock you were buying what price you'd hand it in to the teacher and then the next monday you'd get it back, and you say if you wanted to sell it and buy something else or like whatever you wanted to do right, and i was you know, Kind of lazy - and i just went on the tsx, which is the canadian exchange, because i'm from uh toronto and uh, i went on the canadian exchange and i saw like on the top. It said like today's top gainer and it was a ticker called weed and that ticker now is cgc which everyone that trades knows, but i tr i saw wheat and i was like pretty confused.

I was 17 a degenerate and i'm like, why is wheat on the stock market, but then i was like actually that's sick, like i'm just all in weed. Why not right? So i bought all of my money and fake money into weed and then every week it was going up. It was a month, long challenge and i like doubled or maybe more uh, my investment on wheat and i was like i'm a genius. You know, like i thought like this - is the easiest thing ever like i'm just going to be a stock trader.

You know, i went home and i was still 17.. I gave my dad uh like five grand that i had, or maybe it was less two grand or something like that, just a couple dollars from what i was doing with selling shoes - and, i said, put this all into aurora cannabis because you know i'm a genius. It's gon na and i literally texted him. I said when it doubles.

Let me know and he was like connor - that's not how the stock market works. No no and i was like and my dad doesn't trade, but you know he has a brain, so he was able to tell me like that's, not how it and i was like, and my dad had a lot of uh or a decent amount of weed stocks. But from like a year before me right, so he was kind of like. Why are you buying here right like, but i was like whatever just like put this in what year would this have been 2017.

yeah, okay, yeah so like the or 2016.? So it was right before 2017., so it was pretty much peak weed market. So my dad texted me one day and says no. I texted him and i said: hey it doubled. I said i want to sell it, so he sold it.

I doubled my money again and you know at that point: it's like there. It is yeah. All i have to do is double my money every time. One more time - and you know i had it like in a notebook like how to get to 100 grand like it's gon na, be five doubles or whatever right, and i thought like this is the easiest thing ever um.

I started trading and then, when i turned 18 i opened up an account started actually trying to trade, though so i was in school still um and the weed market at that point was so i was 17 and then i was with my like using my dad To put money into uh trades for me um, and then it got to the point where, like one of them didn't work out - and i was like screw this, like you know, it's like the market was wrong right. So i was like oh i'm gon na start to actually learn this now, so i started learning how to trade. I just watched tons of videos like i think i started with like trading like d guys and you guys, like etfs and stuff right um, and then i found there was like a youtube video. It was like how i made 1200 on one otc and i was like what is an otc, so my favorite movie at the time was wolf of wall street right.

So when i saw him explain he's like. Oh, you probably never heard of otc like this is a pink sheet sock and i was like oh okay, it's pink sheets, so i started. You know, learning that, and i remember one of the for in my first summer i was, i would have been uh 18. I was finally able to trade on my own and it was the summer before university, so i was going to university.

I was going for school for business starting in september and that summer i did. You know not amazing, but i did okay, um and then school started and i lasted a few weeks um and i just wanted to trade. So i trade in the back of my class, and you know i wasn't like again - it wasn't doing phenomenal, but i had this like. I will do good at this, like it's just gon na take time, whatever dropped out of school, kept trading otcs only right, because there's the only way i thought i could grow my account.

I wasn't starting with much capital, you know and then i continued continued to grow. It 2020 came along. I came around sorry and uh. You know.

Obviously that's when everything picked up for just about any trader. I was profitable before then, but that was the year. That was like, okay, like this might really start right and then what happened really was november 2020 um. I was doing well.

I was having record year, i felt amazing, but i was seeing all these kids who like were my age um. So i was 21 and they were all like 21 22, 23 and i've seen kids just like put like five grand in something and like hold it and make like ten thousand percent. Not actually, but you know what i mean right right and i was just playing my same patterns every day like i was going for, like you know, just the consistent like i never held anything over 50, 100 so other than my weed stocks, and when i was 17 right, so i was like, oh my god like i wish. I could do that and i said, and i'd always say, like they're, just gon na lose it like they're being stupid, but then like at one point i was like.

I can keep making these excuses or i can realize this. Is the market we're in i'm not just gon na hold things, but, like i got ta size up more, i got ta. Try like i got ta try harder. I got ta, you know all of those things and i was living in aruba at the time and uh.

So i started like every day, basically from mid-november until february 2021. I was all in every night. So my number one pattern was gap. Ups and every single otc right exactly and every day i had no no buying power at the end of the day.

So i did that. I mean, like that's, probably a lie: there's probably a few days there that right, but like for the most part any day that there was the opportunity to do it. I was all in right and you know i was able to grow exponentially because of that and uh. You know.

I remember, i always told my dad at one point: i'm gon na have a week where i lose a lot because of my my pattern, but i'm gon na lose a lot of money that i would have never had before. So it came to that point. I took that one week where it was like actually two days where i lost a substantial amount um, and i made it all back. You know like it's it, but like the only reason i was able to like deal with it and just make it all back was because i knew the whole time like if i want to grow the way i want to grow right now, i'm going to have To take a really big time where i just lose a bunch of capital, so you know when that happened.

I lost a bunch of capital, not really, though, compared to my account like it actually wasn't a big deal. Um, and can i clarify you weren't, like all in one no every time it was right yeah, you were diversified basically all day, like my whole, at the time i would have never talked about this stuff, but, like it doesn't matter anymore, because it's not competitive. There's. No tc trading right, but i would just gap up a ticker i'd, sell the gap up.

I'd watch the ticker dip, then, once it broke the pre-market high, which is usually where i sold it um. So literally. What i would do is 927 would come around for some reason: um tickers would always gap up until then um and then at 9 30. It would open right and at 9 27, if you placed your orders, then and say the ticker's at 15 cents.

I would sell multi-six figures with a limit down to 10 cents, and people would always be too scared to do that. But what i did was i just got everyone's fills, so i'd have people trying to sell five grand of shares that i knew like that were. Like oh what'd, you sell that and i was like. Oh, i sold it like top prints and they were like.

I couldn't sell to like it dipped, but i was i don't, and people would try and do it like, and if i place those orders like 9 15. I think because of the size it would stop gapping up like something would always the august whatever right. But i just well yeah i mean otc's are, let's be real: it's pretty easy to manipulate otc right, so when people see that kind of size coming through any big money, that's in that they're like oh, okay, exactly right so so i just like had it down To a pattern, i ran quants on it for like all of like a while, and you know at that, then it came to the point. 3.

50 p.m came around. I'd have 15 people messaging me like good friends like what should i gap up? What should i gap up right and uh? You know i couldn't tell everyone. I couldn't tell many, because the realistic was i had so much size if someone else was the same size. It probably wouldn't sell the next morning right.

So, basically, every morning i'd sell the shares, um watch the tickers dip and then once they broke over that high, that was my favorite setup. I called it a dip and rip. It's probably got a real name, but no, no that's yeah and uh. I play that.

Get like you know from the quants i was running, it was like averagely you're gon na get like 11, so i'd sell around seven percent every time, but i'd also look for the you know. I just look at level two. That's like the best thing i am in trading is otc level two. I can read it like a book, so i would sell and then go off.

So i'd go to the beach. I was living in aruba and i'd. Go there play golf whatever come back around uh 2, 45 and then i'd play like what i would call like a breakout pattern at the end of the day and uh i'd play that trade into close and then sell the ones that you know looked okay and Then gap the ones i thought would get right. So that's basically what i was doing in the otc the whole time and like those three like strategies like what made me all my money and i never like had those 50 100.

200. 300 trades like i wish. I did but uh it was just everyday, consistent growth and what i did differently was like people would have like a 400 trade, but they'd have that on, like 10 grand of their 100 grand account, but instead i might make you know, let's say 12 or 13 Of my account in the day, but it's my full account right right, so it kind of it kind of evened out in a way uh compared to you know what what like other people were doing but yeah i was never able to just like hold stuff. I wish i was, but you know i had it.

I had to do it in the statistical way that i found so and so there i you know, people are gon na, be like. Oh, my god, you only ever won you only ever won, but that wasn't the case. I mean you you've taken some i'm taking some uh heavy hitters, some heavy hitters yeah. What was what was it? An avoidable loss? I know you've taken a couple of a couple of size ones.

I mean what were so some of them. I mean like one of them uh i took c-o-u-v yeah. That was the one i wanted to ask. Was that your biggest loss of all time, like that's my biggest loss of all time, so i actually had my biggest gain ever in a day and then the next day i took my biggest loss ever um, so yeah i had 400 or let's say 350 thousand Dollars a coup, i think it was 400, but something like that um and it halted right.

So when an otc halts, they suspend trading and then they're going to open up one day at a penny and the ticker's at 88 cents. And so again that was me playing a gap up right, yep, but with otcs they're dirty they can just suspend it so they suspended the ticker and the next day i woke up and it opened up like 30 right. It opened up five cents five, but that was a month later. So when it when it halted, i was like i lost everything, that's the best way to think.

If a halt happens, you lost everything and then, if you get five grand out of it great right but uh yeah, i had you know 400 grand position and that day uh i was, you know, started off the date great then my friend asked me they're, like Are you okay? I was like what are you doing you? You started off green on the day from other yeah, and so i'm like i'm phenomenal, like i was like it's like yesterday. I had my biggest day today like it's half of yesterday, but like it's still like huge right, so i was stoked and then they're like yeah. Look at look at koov and i was like oh there's there's that one and it was gapping up. You know like i think so.

Actually i think it was gapping up. I might be wrong, but it looked fine. I thought myself would have gone through and you know like that's just but again that was realistic with trading how i was trading, it's you know like to grow exponentially. You got ta also take those losses right so right that smoked me um and then you know.

There's a few other ones like i don't know a lot of my losses come with like a really funny story, so i don't know if that's like, i can talk about them, but like yeah, maybe some of them will avoid yeah yeah. So, like you know, a lot of them were just from uh. They were avoidable losses that happened from other things uh, but but yeah yeah, i lost, i think i lost my other biggest. Otc loss would have been, i think, clwd um so that went to.

I was walking, i was in mexico, i was living in tulum at the time i was walking to i get like water or whatever and uh my phone died, and it was at 18 cents and when i came back it was at like 12 and the next Day was when everything started to really die in the otc. Oh, i remember that yeah and there was just no volume right. So i had a sizable position and you know you wake up in the morning, and the volume on the day was like, let's say just two times my position, but normally the volume was like 30 times my position right. So then, the next day i mean i don't i can't sell you, you can't do it right, so how to eat that one, and that was the realistic of the otc when the otc started to die out in that way was just if you had size.

You had to deal with it right and the only way to prepare yourself, for that is to actually tell yourself every day with the way i'm trading something will come and it will take gains. But then you know after that happened. I think i reached highs again, like two months later, not even like sooner right and just kept growing right. So and that's the next thing i was going to bring up is people were like? Oh, he just got lucky in the otc run, but you transitioned to listeds yeah.

So i when, like literally when that first halt happened, i was like i was just. I get like a lot of anxiety, so i'm like they're, probably going to haunt more tickers. So i don't want to be here right, so i started looking at nasdaq stuff like that and started trading all those stickers and then i cut small caps were always hard for me. Um mid caps were where i was making like really good money uh when i was playing like the 10 to 25 years um, and in that time they had so much range.

That's what i was going to say right yeah. So it's basically like a small cap, but i could trade it a million times better. They tried to clean, they were thicker, so i always liked working exactly right. So i started trading those um and again a lot of my pa so gap.

Ups. I've never been able to find a gap up strategy on nasdaq or they're harder they're. A lot harder like i've ran like quants like for hours days weeks. I i can't find one right, so i had to like totally eliminate my gap up strategy right, which was my number one strategy at the time: uh dip and rips.

I still found - which i think i mean when you get to nasdaq. They got real names. You know they're like breaking like opening range breakout or whatever orb, but like still a dip and rip in my eyes, right yeah started doing a few of those uh that strategies were paying for a while you're buying the dips you're buying that break of the break. Yeah yeah, so for me it was just safer.

It was like. Why would i buy the dip when, for me, i'm not good at that? Instead i'll wait till it breaks, and then i have the statistical you know kind of uh. You have a risk level exactly that makes sense to me, and i know it's going to work x amount of times, so i'd play that and then i started playing and a day breakouts on listening too right funny. It's you probably you guys are watching.

I've heard that literally this i mean bowen talks about that literally like on you. You can go about any youtube video on stock straight and probably hear the difference. It's the same thing you let that stock dip. You have the risk level.

You have a confirmation level to buy exactly and it's it's so much and i think it's one of the best strategies and the one thing that, like you, said, bowen uh, plays that and talks about that a ton. I think the one thing about the market is it's competitive, but a lot of the retail winning strategies are, you know you talk to someone and they also play it in a similar way right, and so i'm not surprised that you know someone else like bowen would Also be noticing that pattern and talking about it and that's that's the beauty i think in the stock market right is that everyone is so worried, like, oh, my god, no one tells their strategies, no everyone. What are you talking about like? No, if you're a fund trading solely based on 20 000 different moving averages aligning yeah. Okay, no, like yeah, that's different, but these patterns that happen.

These very similar patterns, they're, not a secret right. Like we talk about them all the time now, everyone is going to trade them slightly differently. Like i know, a lot of people would buy the dip on the dipping ribbon previous day. Support is a risk level right but like it's still and then maybe they add through that, and we all have our like kind of different names for him too right.

Oh yeah, like i might call it a dip and rip. Somebody else might call it something else and it's still the same thought process a pattern. Um and you know that's. I i'm a strong believer.

That's why the patterns work, because you have enough retail that sees it right, yep and then also algos, and everything like that, of course, which are a huge factor and then they get crowded and the market changes exactly. The beauty is, though, the patterns still present themselves. Almost the effectiveness that changes right, yeah exactly and that's why you kind of got to be on top of like if you're running, quants or whatever you're going to be on top, like i, when i say quants, it's very accurate, is that back testing essentially for you Exactly so, i just you know, will use a software that gives me all the examples of the pattern and kind of see what they what they do, but, like again, that's very basic quantum. It's not anything serious, but you just got to be aware of like okay, like this used to offer me x, percentage or x.

You know whatever and now it's offering me this and this used to happen seven days a week and now it happens or five days a week now it happens three or you know 92 percent of these used to work out now, it's 76 right and then, when That happens, you got to change your position, sizing your risk, like your risk and your reward, and you know all that has to change to make it still like a worthwhile pattern. But uh the mark is just cyclical. It's yeah exactly it just changes right so and so then the dip and rip worked really well for you for listeds. You also were a big fan of that afternoon, breakout.

That was my. That was like my second biggest trade and that's the one that really taught me about back testing, because basically, what happened was october. So i moved to aruba september 20, august 2021 and then october. I was playing those end of day breakouts and they stopped working 2021.

No would it have been because i that's 20, 20. 20.. Okay, yeah! I visited you 2021.. I don't think you were living there, no 2020, 2020..

So, in that it was like a month span september october, 2020, otc and a day breakout stopped working, and so when i started trading listed ones, i was very on top of watching like when they showed the same signs. So basically like what started to happen. Was these tickers would go for the end of the breakout and then they'd fail and then, after that they stopped going for them in general and then, when they started going for them again, they would start to fail and then they'd get to the point where they'd Go through and that was kind of like the cycle i found um, so you know with nasdaq and the day breakouts. That's exactly what i started to trade, because i knew the pattern in otc and figured let's see what it does here and you know i just wait.

Basically, i'd. Let it put in its high either before lunch or during lunch, come down, usually hopefully hold vwap and then kind of come up to a range where it's settling and then play the break out of that range right, yeah, and so that was my number one uh. You know strategy at that time for sure, do you still trade that way, yeah, yeah and guys? This is actually awesome that we're talking about this right now, because tomorrow today today is uh wednesday, but uh on thursday at 8pm, eastern tim bowen is actually doing a live, webinar completely free on essentially the this 2pm breakout strategy in the afternoon, how he trades it And what you should be looking for, if you do want to check that out click the link in the bio um andrew is there going to be because this is coming out on friday? Is there going to be a replay available, yeah right? There will be a replay available for you guys. This is something you absolutely want to see, because it's that's why i only trade the afternoon now connor you've mentioned like it's a lot easier.

They've already established their range. You have very clear risk levels. You know which ones are strong, but if you are not really familiar with this style of trading, this is a webinar. You absolutely don't want to miss hit the link down in the bio that replay will be available but and like, as i was just mentioning here.

Right, like that to me, is the easiest way to trade. I oh, it definitely is, and the cool thing is, you already know your tickers for it right and what i love too is like. Let's say i find sometimes opens hard, because so many things come at. You right you're, so you're overwhelmed with information, exactly let's say: let's say like me and bryce: you know we go to the gym or something and then it's 2 p.m or i guess 1.

30. This time we check. You know that we do a quick scan and there's nothing setting up for an after noon breakout and we know the pattern's not there that day, yep reverse like open like well. You know: there's no momentum there that they really exactly yeah.

So then, you just know right away like there's no point to get out there and you know try something because there's abs, like you, can't that's a pattern that you can't make up. I guess if that makes sense, you can't look at a chart and go. Oh. That's this: it's like no, it's either that or it's not right right.

That's a great point! You just brought up how easy is it right? I've been through it so many times, you're almost trying to force yourself to see a pattern. There really isn't their time. You can't do that in the afternoon if it's weak and under view op it's weak and under view off exactly, but in the morning it almost half time it doesn't matter if it's a weekend under view up, if it's a top percent gainer right like exactly it.