Hey everyone meet kevin here. Welcome back to another episode of the meet kevin show. Today we have somebody very special. We have ivory hecker, which what's really exciting about this, is many of you remember my campaign for governor in california and how difficult it was to get media attention.

Now, while i've been on fox i've been on many of the national right side of channels, it was really difficult to get the left-leaning channels to talk to me, and it's always made me wonder how much media censorship is there really coming from producers and when i Saw this here, uh back in the summer, i thought oh, my gosh. This is. This is exactly how i feel and what i'm going to do is i'm going to play this clip of ivory and then we're going to talk to ivory. So i'm super excited here.

We go i'm going to go ahead and play this for about 30 seconds. Take a look at this. This is uh when ivory gives us a little bit of a heads up that maybe there is some real censorship happening in the news. Let's listen in thanks guys.

That's right before we get to that story. I want to let you, the viewers, know that fox corp has been muzzling me to keep certain information from you, the viewers and from what i'm gathering. I am not the only reporter being to subjected to this. I am going to be releasing some recordings about what goes on behind the scenes at fox because it applies to you, the viewers.

I found a non-profit journalism group called project veritas. It's going to help put that out tomorrow, so tune in to them, but as for this heat wave across texas, you can see what it's doing. This is incredible, and so i am super super duper intrigued. I've been following ivory's story and uh.

Today we get to talk to her, so welcome aboard ivory. Thank you so much for being here thanks for having me absolutely so i i got ta know what what did it feel like doing that piece right there, because you had to be on pins and needles, because you know the hammer was coming down yeah. I knew it was a hard pain page turn in my life, like i was going into a new chapter and ending a chapter that i had loved that i worked so hard for so it was just a crazy experience like hard to explain. I went into shock immediately after going live and i could barely drive home and then i bawled my eyes out at home.

Oh my gosh, i was so sad that it had come to that. You know so tell me about this. What what made you feel compelled? I mean i, i know: you've got you so you've got and correct me where i'm wrong. I believe when you're a reporter you've got uh sort of desk managers and then they're managers for them and they kind of dictate.

Okay, we're going to cover the story, we're not going to cover this story. Uh tell me a little bit about there's some examples that really threw you over the edge where you're like this is ridiculous. The people deserve to know this, but but media is censoring us. What what happened there? Because you were you were in media - i mean almost the definition of media over at a local fox station, yeah yeah.

It was fox owned, so the murdochs were the big bosses there and i began to learn that a lot of edicts during the pandemic were coming down from the tip top in new york, not not local houston, you know and um. You know. The biggest thing was when, when a i was, i was harshly punished for just allowing a doctor to say what he uses to treat his patients. I was supposed to know to censor him out to censor part of what he set out to accept the things that were with the narrative and then cut out the sound bites that weren't with the narrative and because i didn't follow that they uh they harshly punished.

Me and actually corporate took weeks to draft a fake letter about me and put in my file had to get a lawyer uh. Then they worked with their their they. At one point. They accidentally forwarded me an email from their fox corp la lawyers uh about how to talk to me.

Oh yeah, it was like this is insane. I was like what is going on all because you want to keep certain medical information from viewers. My understanding is, if you do a story, let's say you interview someone, then you have this footage and you can edit that together, right yeah, but i have to write a script about what i covered and the script is what i will say on air and then I have to forward that script to my bosses and they rewrite certain things a lot of times and then send it back to me and i'm supposed to just say what the script says: whoa whoa, so so they'll rewrite your script. Even though you did the reporting they'll rewrite it, and this rewriting i mean how, how often is it does it change the narrative uh? You know i understand like an editing review, but at what point does it rise that level of changing the whole narrative um? Not very often uh, not very often, but you know there were more cases than not, and you know during the pandemic, where they were trying to change the narrative and um.

You know it's just the way that i cover news. I you know, i i provide the facts and the evidence in such a compelling way that if my bosses say we can't cover this or we need to change this, then it's going to be met with a big. Why? Because this is obviously a journalistic script, and so the boss is, you know, sometimes they'll backpedal and be like okay, i mean there was one time i covered a uh black on black murder and the the black friend of the black victim showed up to the scene. The guy had been killed by a black man, white officers were were fixing the situation they had just arrested the killer, and the black friend said you know.

Basically, black lives matter needs to take a hard look at this, because what the biggest thing the biggest issue for black people is black people. This is what the black friend said. I included that in the script my boss had an issue with that. That's against the narrative, oh my god, you know you're, not black people are not supposed to be calling all black lives matter, so she stopped me right there and i said, excuse me what's wrong with that and she and i this was in in the pandemic.

I had already i had already come at her with a lawyer over the covet treatment stuff. She knew i was down to fight and she was like: oh okay, well, fine, but well, if you're, if you're short on time, just that's the sound bite to get rid of. I was like okay got it and i rolled that clip nice yeah, because that's interesting because oftentimes in the media we hear a blm, it's always white versus black, and so here was this example. Where you were hearing a black person amplify uh that hey there are also black versus black issues here and, and so your boss wanted to censor you from covering that exactly it went totally counter to the black lives matter.

Narrative, a black man calling out the black lives matter and saying black people are actually killing black people, and here at this scene, the white people are saving the day. They're, not they're, actually helping my friend's family they're, not uh screwing. This up, you know anyway, he was there to call black lives matter. My boss, didn't like it.

I'm like this is the best friend of the victim, i'm gon na. Let him say what he wants to say: just like we've allowed every other best friend of a victim to say what they want to say: wow wow! Thank you for that geez, okay! So with this, and then with the uh going back to that first thing that that started: creating this tension during the pandemic, with the uh with the doctor. How similar is that to what we saw with joe rogan cnn and the whole mac ivormectin thing? Oh, it's exactly the sort of thing that we're talking about here. What we saw with joe rogan.

He takes dr prescribed i uh. Can i don't know what words we can say here? It's on youtube anything you want doctor prescribed, i word and and um, and then all of the media goes on to say that he like hijacked some horse paste, which is absolutely absurd and misleading and actually would probably encourage people to go to the feed store. Instead of to their doctor, so the fake media was spinning a lie about joe rogan that was going to cause people to go to the feed store when joe could have helped educate people that you can go to your doctor and get this prescription for something that Has a lot of a lot of science backing it at this point, it's been studied uh over the course of pandemic and been proven to be very effective, and it is just startling the censorship of this code, vid treatment. It's really creeps me out.

Why wouldn't you want to cover lives? You know what's working to save lives and uh and that's exactly the sort of stuff that i was censored. I was first censored on the h word. You know i hadn't even paid attention to to hcq and this doctor just said he uses it. I was like okay, i'm putting that out there.

Oh, this is a taboo word. Now uh, we can't i didn't know. I wasn't following the medical narrative. He keeps sending me to crime scenes so suddenly you know i was a crime reporter.

Prior to this i didn't care about medical stuff, and now i'm on on all this medical stuff and i'm supposed to follow the medical narrative and it was absurdity, and so i brought up the i word too i was like. Did you know that the nation of india right now is completely going against the world health org and disseminating this drug to all of the nation, wow and uh, and my boss is like we are not going to talk about india? Oh wow, oh interesting, gosh. I mean that's, it's so odd to me, because it does feel like uh. You know, at least you could cover it to the point.

Where hey look, some folks are taking ivermectin. Some folks are taking the hydroxychloroquine, but it's important to talk to your doctor, because maybe some medical experts say this is controversial. Some say: don't take it others say hey, maybe, for certain cases there's a benefit, i'm surprised they wouldn't try to take that kind of more more neutral approach, as opposed to this approach that you're, describing which is just yeah, we're not going to mention those words at All yeah it became a media blackout, a media blackout, in fact um. The you know i i word was only covered once by my tv station in april of 2020.

It was initial research out of australia, showing that in vitro tests, showed immense promise for stopping covid. In its tracks, and then they went into a media blackout as the science actually progressed into humans and nations started, prescribing it to their people, and there was dramatic improvement in cases. Yet the media across the board went into a blackout on it. Wow, that's incredible! It's it's so odd to me.

I i and do you think this is coming from uh like? Where do you think these narratives are coming from something like uh? It sounded like initially, you said: maybe the top so fox corp all the way at the top. What, but why is it a? Is it a political push? Are there connections with them and maybe the companies that make who knows uh resveratrol gilead, you know moderna finds wait. Why where's this coming from it's hard to tell, because the bosses will never admit it, they'll never admit to why why they? You know my bosses may not even know why they're taking orders from their bosses, they just want to keep their big executive jobs, and my boss wanted to keep her very nice house. Okay, so she's just going to follow.

Lachlan's edicts and shari berg's edicts out of new york city and she does weekly calls with shari berg in new york at fox corp and they all make sure they're on the same page, shari yells at her. Sometimes it's all good and she you know to handle ivory, you know so so it's it's all good, i'm not the only one they they uh. They watch all of us on-air personalities closely. So it's a wonderful thing to be free right.

Now no kidding yeah uh yeah. I was just looking just uh for for reference for the viewer here. I just quickly found - and i haven't read through this yet, but you had referenced it and i found a publication here in science direct and it talks about uh. This fda approved drug ivermectin, and this is from back in june of 2020 and it talks about inhibiting the replication of covid in vitro, like, like you had mentioned so very interesting, uh you're, asking for your youtube to get deleted here.

I hope not yeah. I know i'm just saying i tried to put stuff like that out on youtube. I learned the hard way youtube is really strict about this stuff. Yikes i mean you, you put up a straight up peer-reviewed scientific study on youtube.

You know strike, you know, it's really bad. Now, you're making me nervous like wait, we got a disclaimer, we are not recommending. Yeah do not take talk to your doctors, we are non-medical experts. We love youtube exactly okay.

So what what happened to you after i? I think that's that's interesting to me and i think the viewers as well, because you you went home after you did this piece. Obviously you were either you know distraught full full of energy and nerves uh. What what happened like? How long until your phone rang and you're like? Oh no here it is uh. Let's see, i went, live at five and then it was like seven o'clock when my boss called and just said.

Why did you do that, so it took two hours and then she called and asked a simple question, and i said you know why i did this. We've talked about this many times. You know, in fact i spelt it out in our annual review a month or two ago and uh, even when i had to resign the employee handbook in 2021. I spelt out some of the issues like every chance i got.

I talked to my bosses about this stuff, and so she sits there and it's like. Why did you do this? You know and probably for corporate she had asked that and she was probably recording. I hope she was, and i went on to pour out my heart to her, and i just reiterated everything that we had talked about in regards to journalism, transparency, censorship versus free speech. I talked about it all i spelled out.

I named specific stories that that were alarming things that happened as far as their muzzling of certain facts and um, and so she was quiet on the phone for most the time, and i just i just went through it all with her again. You know, as like a closure call, i knew that'd probably be pretty much our last in-depth conversation, so it sounds like she felt that as well, that that she was almost calling you as like. I'm i'm gon na lose you now but yeah. You know it's.

It's almost like she knew uh, it didn't sound like she was calling to scold you there huh. No, there was no scalding just asking why and then saying well well, thank you for sharing your side of it or whatever she said, and that was it and then she called back at like 11 p.m or something and said you're suspended and then a week later, I received something in the mail that i was fired: yikes yeah, exactly that's what i wanted. I i was trapped in a contract. I it was the only way to get out of the contract - oh interest, so immediate you're signing these.

I mean your contracts like two or three years, two years, yeah, two years: contract: okay, okay, wow wow, that's incredible! So i want to know what happened uh next as well, i'm going to quickly mention, because i saw a couple of folks mention so just for the for the the sake of it. Uh, let's see here, there were a couple extra things that are just worth throwing up. Let me make this a little. There is - and i haven't read these, but i'm interested.

So it is interesting that even after these studies, you've got the world health organization, saying only use that i word in clinical trials uh and that's from march of 2021 and then the fda looks like as a blog about why you should not use it. So it's interesting, it's actually gone pretty. You know pretty pervasive uh to where a lot of folks are talking about it, but we'll get off the discussion of that and uh. I want to go to what what's next for you and where have you gone from here? Obviously, you've been on a whole lot of news stations, since this happened.

I don't know if you've ever been on a fox news station again, but i know you've been covered by a whole lot of news stations, uh and uh. It had a whole lot of interviews. What have been some of the big questions? People have asked what what are some of the things that have come out of what you've done, any big change. How was project veritas? Tell me oh yeah, it was.

It was crazy how i was blown up uh with alternative me. Only the alternative media wanted to interview me no calls from nbc cbs i'll be abc. Obviously, no fox calls. No, nothing calls the mainstream media didn't want to talk to me about it, but the alternative media hit me up a lot.

It was funny um a lot of le a lot of people who, like collaborate with fox in some way. Maybe they have like a a fox radio show or something they would hit me up and then they would cancel. They would realize that they can't talk to me because i am calling out their people. They didn't connect those dots, it happened so many times um.

So you'd be ready to go on air where you're sitting and they're doing the mic check and everything and they'd cancel you exactly um yeah. Well, they would they would can't. They would give me more heads up than that, but they would they would reach out. Initially a lot of times, it would just be like initial reach out like let's do this, and then they would never follow through with confirming the interview um, and it was only the fox associated people that this would happen to uh and some pretty big names too.

That i'm not gon na call out, but it's it's pretty sad and it was really funny when james o'keefe, first uh, you know had prepared me for this was like he's like okay you're, going to get a lot of attention. He's like you're you're, going to be on tucker carlson is that is that okay, like tucker, is going to want you on, and i was like james, i'm not going to be on tucker, i'm calling out fox i'm calling on fox, oh my gosh yeah, so how? How so i want to know so james did he kind of help? You did you talk to him before this happened or after and and how did he guide you through all this um yeah james, actually, project veritas connected with me on twitter? First, they found me on twitter. I was already following them. They gave me a follow back and asked me if i'd witnessed anything in my newsroom and i was like yes, i sure have so then then uh yeah, we set up a meeting.

I got dinner with the with james and the crew and then we talked it over and and yeah. We just decided to proceed um. How did james prepare me? He sent me some books actually um. He sent me a book about whistleblower stories, which was actually pretty bleak.

This book, like talked about people's lives being ripped apart after blowing the whistle i was like. Are you trying to convince me not to do this ouch, um and um yeah, so uh? The whole team was very supportive, leading up to that and um. You know i i'll forever be indebted to them for how they helped free me from fox and put an army of freedom lovers behind me. Do you think you could have done this alone or or was it really that, having that sort of somebody helping you along the way that that kind of gave you that maybe extra courage? Oh it them.

You know his whole staff is so amazing and he assigned one undercover journalist to me actually the same journalist who who got that crazy behind the scenes footage at cnn. You know the cnn guy, charlie chester, talking about propaganda. This is yes. Actually, this girl was working on my case while she was working on his case and she's like i got it.

Oh, i got ta go get dinner with charlie tomorrow, oh anyway, but she was so supportive uh. The the project veritas team was really wonderful and uh, and so they helped give me more courage for sure i i would not have called out my station live on air. If not for them. Do you think things have gotten worse since covid, or was it more since, like the 2016 election, where we've seen this more divisiveness, especially with media, i mean you've even got andrew yang, who just came out and suggested that we're almost at civil war levels of distrust Between parties and and that you know, there's a lot of folks in the middle but but gosh if you're left versus right, it's it's ugly, yeah really ever since trump came around, it really led to some serious division, um and then the pandemic.

I think just took it to another level for sure. Have you ever considered before kind of that? What happened with fox houston? Did you ever consider trying to see if you can go to a different station just like live out that contract just put your head down and go to a different station afterwards yeah? Well, once i realized you know the links that bucks would go to for their narrative or for whatever cause. I i wanted out, and i didn't know what to do. You know i had loved journalism and and then another another big station reached out to me, and i was like oh yeah, maybe you know, can we do freelance or something you know and then, as in they're like yeah? Well, let's keep in contact because you have a lot of time on your fox contract and i was like yeah.

I do um. So as time progressed, i was less and less interested. I was like you know: it's not going to be any different at that other place. It's actually probably going to be worse.

Some of these uh. Some of these corporations are even worse than fox corp, so i was just like you know what i don't think i want that. You know this is the era of independent journalism honestly, so i just but every day i would rack my head about what to do when i left fox and finally, early this year, i bought a personal certificate. Personal training, certification course, and just doing that was like gave me pieces like okay.

I have a plan i'll just at least do that uh. You know because i don't know what to do. I just know i want out of this. So so you were just looking for any way to get out of essentially journalism, because you had become so frustrated with the the control of your narrative, because my understanding is as a reporter you're finding this news and then you're putting the pieces together.

But then it must be frustrating to have it always get edited and it sounds like it's gotten worse and worse and worse yeah. I wasn't, i didn't want to get out of journalism. I just wanted to get out of corporate news. There's a lot of propaganda and stuff and yeah i yeah i just that.

I knew that just was not for me. I just didn't want to be controlled like that um and have you know, be listening to my viewers questions every day and knowing my bosses never want me to go, seek answers to those questions wow. So i i was like, if you know, if anything, i'm literally wasting time every day for this corporation and the viewers questions are left hanging every single day and that's why ratings continue to go down well, our questions are not getting answered. They're pushing another propaganda piece on the late on the latest prize.

You can win if you get it in the arm. You know i was just like i i was just like. I can't be used as a tool of propaganda and distraction, and once i once it dawned on me, it's not going to be any better at any other news corporation. The corporate news is all the same.

That's when i was really wrecking my brain about what else to do, wow, that's incredible! So what uh? What's your response when you hear the term fake news like how is this? Is this every corporate uh kind of uh uh? You know news or what does that mean to you um? I feel like there's another element of fake news in all of the big corporations. Right now, all the big news corporations and it's interesting what we're seeing the same, uh deceptive narratives that are that are in fake news, are also in the social media. Corporations like the same facts, are censored like you're on youtube. They, i hope not, they punish yeah.

You might want to go back and edit out the i word because uh they're harsh about that, like we won't talk about this. Unless we're calling it horse paced and saying it's terrible and you shouldn't take it, you might die because it only goes into animals. You know, which is that is the definition of fake news right there, because it has been used on humans since 1987. It's been, i think it's been fda approved for human since 1987 used on humans, since even before that you know and uh, and yes, initially for parasites.

But now for years it's been used successfully against viruses as well. There's been a lot of studies on this against viruses, and it's really intriguing, you know just the relationship between big media and big pharma is fascinating and why the media never looks into why some of these treatments that seem to be so multi-purpose and it really the The studies are amazing and then they never really progress out of those studies. What's going on yeah, that's interesting, yeah gosh. It must just be so fascinating to uh to uh to even just well i mean it is just to think about how much goes on way at the top, like you're, mentioning even up at that uh for a fox corporate level.

So what about? What's? Next? For you, uh are you. I know you've got your twitter still uh. You also have a youtube channel. So tell me about that.

Tell tell everyone about that. Yes, everybody go to my youtube. Youtube.Com ivory hecker! Keep it real with ivory hacker, i'm doing a lot more youtube segments now on the news, both my original journalism and and kind of picking apart. The corporate news narrative so go check out youtube.com, ivory hecker, but i also have my website for for all the stories that youtube censors out, which, unfortunately, are a lot.

A lot of the my audience's biggest questions are things that can't be answered on youtube. So i put those stories on my uncensored website: ivory heckard.com. If so, have you found out a lot that that youtube is uh? You know also kind of pushing back on you have you had to yeah things off your channel or tell me about that? Yes, i've already had two strikes. I was on the hairy edge of my entire channel getting deleted out of nowhere.

So i'm learning there's a lot of things. Um yeah. They don't want you to talk about about. Basically, any any talk about getting it in the arm.

Can get your you know and use these weird code? Words like that because um it gets your it gets your channel flagged, especially in the way that we delve into. What's really going on with that and then um cova treatments. You know cova treatments other than the super standard of care talking about hyping up ventilators. You know if you know, if you talk about some of these things that are actually low, cost and very effective.

You can get your channel zapped really easily and i learned that the hard way uh yeah it was actually two videos were zapped for covid treatment, talk and then one video actually, because i showed a clip of alex jones interviewing me lots of rules on youtube. They don't like alex jones, don't show it yeah uh, so jeez um, i mean. How does that make you feel i mean it almost. I worry that it have.

You ever thought it kind of feels like you're, going from like kind of one potential form of censorship to another yeah yeah, but at least i'm free to talk in code words and have my own uncensored website. So you know i it we've. We've invented a new language here on youtube code words and i'm able to still talk to my audience here, but then also you know that website. It's all.

It's all mine, just no corporate overlords, it's wonderful! It's wonderful to do independent journalism and how, like life, has presented these resource resources that allow me to do that in a way i'd never expected. I thought i was going to have to switch to personal training, which i do love fitness, oh well, because you have an instagram as well. So awesome, awesome, okay, that well that's amazing, so um yeah, i mean uh any. What what do you? I guess maybe, as a last question when, when it comes to um uh, that that jab in the arm are you uh choice? Are you anti a four? Can you say that yeah i'm for informed consent? You know it was just.

It was really alarming to me when my boss has had meetings about how to coerce people like. Oh, let's do some news about how you'll lose your job, if you don't get it in the arm and all these all these audience questions about. What's really going on with that, with that shot will leave unanswered? Oh i mean it is true and and then the ten was your job right. What's that i was just saying, i mean there are a lot of people losing their job.

I know right so they it's interesting back and i believe it was april. I actually had a recording that i sent to project veritas. They didn't air that one there were so many recordings, but of of my boss's boss, suggesting this back in april before anyone had lost their job. It wasn't even talk about it yet but saying you know if we talk about how you won't be able to go back to work, if you don't get this, you know he so fox corp was way ahead of the curve on like yeah.

Let's get people fired, you know wow, it was. It was just really alarming, a straight propaganda meeting, not nothing to do with what are the viewers real concerns here? It was all you know, the shot is god and we will create stories to coerce you, and that was just like the last straw, and i was like get me out of here. You know i'm just about i'm about informed consent. As long as you know what risks there are you know, most people seem to be doing.

Fine, that's wonderful, but to to see the certain people who whose lives have been ripped apart due to this um, and they never had a warning. You know i covered a dad whose son died suddenly, after after the shot, and he never had a warning. The news was telling him it was safe and 100 effective. The shot was, and so after he would watch nbc religiously, and they would tell him this, and so he sent his son off to get the shot and in the sun dies suddenly of myocarditis, and it wasn't until a month later that there started to be warnings.

Oh yeah myocarditis is, is uh we're going to have to put an official warning label on that because it's happening a lot, but the dad just believed the news saying: oh yeah, it's foolproof when the research was only beginning and we as the media just need to Be honest and say: look the research is very, very new on this okay way, newer than all these other shots that you've ever taken. So if you want to venture into this, do it at your own risk? If we talk to our viewers that way and was just gave more transparency about this, and then they decided to to get the shot and something bad happened, at least they knew they knew everything they were getting into, but i'm seeing a lot of these viewers, not Even know what they're getting into because they're being deceived by the media and that's what i have a problem with last question: do you think it's possible that there there's some kind of uh push that's happening from politicians? Obviously, for for you know certain uh certain things and that if media doesn't cover that in favor of the politicians that maybe the politicians would be less likely to accept interviews from certain stations, and do you think that there could be some kind of linkage there with? Oh, we got ta get those views from those politicians to a certain extent. Yeah relationships with politicians do sway. Uh sway our our news organizations on how they cover stories in a yeah and yeah.

There was one uh question that one of the reporters wanted to ask: the sheriff who's a politician, sheriff's our politicians and about i guess - about police use of force, and my boss stopped this guy in his tracks. I have that recording too and she was like well. We do not want to just blindside the sheriff with that question: whoa. Okay, we have to keep our relationship with him, so we're going to prevent our viewers from knowing how he really feels about that how he really reacts honestly, when confronted with a spur of the moment question we don't want our views to see that, because we got To keep our relationship with the sheriff wow so so that that definitely happens where we're not going to ask the hard questions we're going to go for the softballs, so we can get this person back for for the views exactly yep wow.

This has been our interviews with him yeah. We need to keep our interviews. We need to be able to interview him. We need to be able to schmooze him, so we're we're going to keep it light with him.

This year, yeah yeah wow, that's uh, that's intense! I think that's that's gon na be that's one to end it on uh i wan na uh. If you can shout out again uh your twitter, your instagram and your youtube and uh anything else that you wan na, say yeah. My instagram is at real.ivoryreal.ive. Twitter is at ivoryhecker and then my youtube is youtube.com ivoryhecker and my website uncensored ivoryhecker.com.

It's been so great to be on and chat with you. Actually things came to mind that i've never talked about in other interviews, so that was good, yay awesome. Well, i have i've linked your channel in the description down below uh for folks who are already watching they might have to refresh to if they just want to click that link, but you can refresh see it link down below uh ivory. Thank you.

So much stand by for one moment: i'm gon na end the stream uh and then uh we'll catch up for another. Second, thank you, everybody for watching. If you found this helpful share it before it gets deleted and uh subscribe, subscribe to ivory and we'll see you in the next one. Thanks alright see you later.