We live in a system where if you ruffle the wrong feathers and those people have a lot more money and a lot more political connections than you, you're going to have a really bad time. I I Was arrested under the Terrorism Act schedule 7. It's one of the only times you don't have a right to remain silent I have no criminal record despite popular belief I Literally got a letter from the Australian government saying I had to stop involving myself in politics altogether if I wanted to be in that country, they just want that feedback loop and the content creators making that content get a lot of money. How many different times can we say it? It's a vicious cycle and I almost can't even be mad.

They wanted to create a villain because that's what people love to see and I was just the blonde cute villain that they could create at the time you nailed the Tucker Carlson prediction. Yeah, I it doesn't surprise me. that's I kind of feel like what's motivating you now because I I sense not only the the frustration but almost some regret I can't help but feel you sound a little defeated I actually have something I care about and I want to protect. Welcome back to another episode of the Meet Kevin Show It has been 3 years since we last confronted Lauren Southern and I think you're probably best to introduce yourself but I Want to start with apparently not only are you banned from Airbnb but your blood is banned from Airbnb you got were part of a show with Tucker Carlson but then after he got canned that got canned.

uh, you banned from Pat You've been demonetized plenty of times. Wikipedia does not love you what is going on Lauren Southern And thank you for coming back. It's been almost three years. I Really like how you're almost legally obligated to refer to this as confronting me instead of interviewing me because anything other than that means accepting the person banned from every platform banking institution Wikipedia Hates? You know? no.

um I said I have a friend of mine who has an excellent quote maybe he stole it from someone, but it was. It's better to be uh, wrong too late than right too early because if you're if you're right too early if you're the Berserker going in, you're just going to hit the machine gun fire. The people who kind of wait back and are like I'm going to let you guys go first with your opinions that are a little dangerous like you can look at this with black lives matter, you know, criticizing the protesters. The first people that came out as critics, maybe questioning should we be burning down cities canceled Canceled canceled right now.

It's pretty normal to question that the first people who came out and said hey, you know this Mass immigration stuff might really be affecting our economy in Canada and our housing market. Um, let's let's look into that racist canceled from shows Now that's a pretty normal talking point, even in regular magazines in Canada. A lot of I mean the thing that I was probably the most cancelled for ever was a video I did called the Great replacement in which I literally just described Rena Kimo's philosophy was a French philosopher who said um, when you have one population in a time span and then within a certain amount of time they're replaced with another population through various means immigration, whatever. that's replacement politics and I described it in this video.

Didn't say whether this is an amazing good or bad thing, right? but wow, I got in a lot of trouble for that. like that. got me labeled as a white nationalist Nazi This none of those things. you know, none of those things.

but now Tucker Carlson has talked about it. Vic Ramaswami all vi vi like cake. Got it? Yes, you know there's a lot of people that have. The thing that I've been the most canceled for is now being talked about by some of the biggest commentators that are nowhere near banned from countries the way I have been.

but I was a little, uh, early. So what do you think? Most people consider you on the political spectrum and then what do you consider yourself if I take a political Spectrum test I land pretty I I'm embarrassed to say it because I understand the uh connotation but I actually land pretty Centrist when I take a political Spectrum test myself. Um, but border Patrol doesn't think so. you were autism spectrum.

That's a little. what were we talking about? Border Patrol don't agree last. Yeah so but if you ask people based on my Wikipedia because you know people don't grow up or portray their opinions differently, they don't get misrepresentative. I'm just like a straight up new not that wants to kill immigrants in the you know.

Mediterranean Sea That is not true, but it doesn't really matter once an opinion has been formulated About You by the masses. So I I tend to prioritize relationships and conversations with people who are actually interested in getting to know what I think rather than concerning myself with the thoughts of people who have already decided. How has that affected you? Um, I mean it's hard to say that it hasn't massively impacted my life, right? I It's to the point of affecting every aspect of my life. my ability to travel, my ability to get jobs, my ability to rent places get a mortgage.

Everything. Like rent places, you've been denied rentals because of your Wikipedia Oh well, like this is a thing for. I Have friends that are in media industry that aren't even controversial like me that they have trouble just because they have a public profile like you think and people are worried. Oh, there's someone with a public profile living in my house.

they might you know? someone might try to find where they live. It might end up on the Internet or whatever. So then you think of someone like me, you Google my name. You're getting some interesting results, right? And it doesn't really matter if they're true or not.

people are just concerned about that. We live in a day and age where Association is very important. We're in this like soft communism where you can be cancelled by association. You can lose your job by association.

My parents got banned from BNB for the crime of being related to me, right? Tell us about that. Yeah, I I 2018 20 I think it was 2019 I got banned from Airbnb which was crazy because I had already taken a step back from politics. They sent me a message saying due to your political persuasion and connections we have taken down your our Airbnb account and you can't use our site anymore So literally due to my politics and then I it was last year. My parents were booking a nice little getaway and you know they I I am not the voice of my parents.

They are their own people with their own opinions and their own lives. Um, and Airbnb sent them a message based on I I'd have to get the exact writing but it was essentially based on who you are related to and connected to. We have shut down your Airbnb account and I my parents, my parents. so that's once again by blood relation.

This is fullon Nazi communist regime stuff which they're accusing you of. Oh it, the irony is endless. You know this is always the quote online. Imagine the other way around or the hypocrisy and you can scream about it all day long.

But that is just the system we live in. We live in an extraordinarily hypocritical time where the people screaming Nazi are the first one that will put you in front of the firing wall, vice versa. Um my yeah, my parents were pretty upset because you know as much as they've had their life impacted by just even emotionally by having to watch what I've been through getting calls like hey, we've got your daughter arrested in Cal and she's getting questioned under the terrorism act Like you know that does a number to parents who, uh, you know, get those calls in the first thing the morning your daughter's in jail and Turkey right now and we don't know if she'll be released. You know, like that definitely does a number.

So I've calmed down a bit. Well, wait, so you've changed your behavior because of this. But like what Behavior I mean like is it just like expressing your opinion and and making videos online? Or what do you mean when you say you've calmed down? Um, well, you, you have to I Learned very quickly What? I thought because I came from a very normal, you know workingclass family I I didn't come from any sort of House of Cards powerful You know Elite family that's going to know what's going on and how the world totally works. You know we know the basics of of life and I was taught everything that a kid you'd think a kid would need to know.

But I definitely went into the world being like yeah I can say my opinion I can speak freely Free speech um I'm allowed no matter who I am and and what my background is to start a business to live my life and that is just not how it works. We live in a system where if you ruffle the wrong feathers and those people have a lot more money and a lot more political connections than you, you're going to have a really bad time. a really bad time and and that doesn't even necessarily matter the the politics. like if I ruffle the feathers just by being too famous and taking up too much of a slice of the pie within the right-wing Circle that might ruffle feathers in there to get you taken out, especially if you don't have the resources or connections to defend yourself.

But definitely most of my experience was criticizing governments and I spent most of my focus criticizing governments worldwide and repeatedly found myself being banned from those countries. Whether it be the UK where I went in and I was like you're banned from the UK B I I was denied entry from the UK and I don't know if I would ever be allowed to return, especially considering um, you know I've I've put in inquiries and I was I I was a arrested under the Terrorism Act schedule 7. It's one of the only times you don't have a right to remain silent. You legally do not have a right to remain silent and I was 21 years old.

What were you doing? Why? What? What would cause the British government to arrest you under the terroris after I can't even remember. it was like 8 n 10 11 hours or so that I was like questioning detained. um, they gave me a letter saying that I was my entry was rejected by Homeland Security whoever it was there under accusations of racism and wanting to cause racial tension. But what was fascinating about that was the Alle racial tension was me holding a pride parade kind of a mockup YouTube video pride parade in the city of Luton.

So what inspired that was Vice News had put out an article saying Jesus was transgender and I was like okay, fine Vice that's that's very edgy right? Wow, you've really H stuck it to the Christians Jesus's transgender how new and original and I I think that criticism of religion should be low I I Really? Do whatever, no matter how ridiculous it's being. I think that should be allowed. But the problem is when you have these people that are pretending to be so edgy to question the Orthodoxy of religion, but you know they'd never do it in a way that would actually threaten their career or really ruffle feathers because they're all just clout chasers of wanting to climb the corporate ladder to improve their reputations. More clicks All of that.

So an Orthodoxy that everyone is way too afraid to question would be radical Islam Particularly because people get headed when they do right, you know Charlie Hebo right walk Paris and people get shot. Basically more than that, it's just within the kind of progressive hierarchy. White Christians are very acceptable to attack. kind of like white males.

All of that, but if you get into different racial groups, different faiths, then well Vice News isn't going to be so keen on doing a piece criticizing Brown you know non-Christian religions and so that it's just like I'm like okay, you could do. You could say the same thing. you could do an article saying Muhammad the prophet Muhammad was transgender but you won't and I kind of wanted to do a video. like going in front of a church and having like a pride parade in front of a church and seeing how people reacted within that community and then having a because pride parade is something that's very celebrated within the progressive belief and then doing it in front of in a Muslim area and seeing the reactions and being like okay, you're going to get a way strong reaction from one Community than the other.

And yet the community you're criticizing as extraordinarily homophobic is always the community that seems to have less of a visceral reaction to this stuff, right? So I was going to do this compare and contrast video but I wasn't actually allowed back into the UK to do the Christian part of it because after I did the little Pride Parade event in Luton the police threatened to arrest me for breaching the peace I wasn't attacking anyone I just had a little pride parade I had my gay friends with me and a few other people handing out flyers and uh, people were screaming like spitting at us and the police were like you guys are going to get attacked you are breaching the peace. You got to get out of here. We're going to arrest you I Always listen I Always try to comply. This is why I have no criminal record despite popular belief.

Um, and we left. but they did ban me for racism for that. which is fascinating because last time I checked Islam is not a race and uh, your sexuality is not a race either. So they just really pulled that one out of the backside and sounds like pushing the boundaries can not only get you banned apparently from entering countries but then also caught up at borders of you had mentioned before uh, we were sitting down here that you've spent, you've missed tens of thousands of dollars of flights, being stuck in questioning at entry points.

Yeah, and this is something that I mean I'm just going to build on this one hand, if you have ever met or spoken to someone who worked in the policing like Fed intelligence, any kind of sphere like that and you think about the lawsuits that they put up against J Sixers or any sort of protesters leftwing or rightwing antifa pipeline protesters, they will tell you the point of these lawsuits, these investigations, these arrests isn't necessarily because they think they're going to win, or because they have any sort of case whatsoever. it's for the purpose of distraction and wasting your time. The process is the punishment. The process is the punishment exactly.

and they know as long as they keep you hooked up in all these legal battles. many of them completely frivolous and they may know so as well that you're not going to have time to do whatever you were doing before. And that very much became my life after the height of my career. it was like I had the height of my career doing politics, criticizing all these governments and then everything after that was just governments Banning me from places sending me letters threatening to shut down my websites Banks Everything to the point where eventually I literally got a letter from the Australian government saying I had to stop involving myself in politics altogether if I wanted to be in that country and at that were Liv austral at that time I was married to an Australian and we were you got evicted from Australia Well no, they told me I wouldn't be allowed in the country where you know I had family if I didn't quit politics altogether.

Oh wow, Yeah so the government did eventually manage to shut me down completely and yeah, and for all that time I was also on secondary screening for flights. So anytime I had to fly anywhere, visit family or if I did even want to still work I had to show up for flights four hours early. and even so, I that didn't necessarily mean I was going to make it and they you don't get a refund. they'd held me for eight hours.

you know at times just asking me questions that they had asked me a thousand times before. It was crazy making like I have been in hundreds of hours of questioning sessions where they're just like what's your name, where are you from? tell us about your documentaries, tell us about the videos you've made, explain this video and every time like asking me the same question, same question, same question, legitimate crazy making and then I'd miss my flight and they'd be like we need you to stay for another four hours and what they would do is because they didn't have the grounds to necessarily like ban me from America A lot of this happened with the US. They would just say well you've missed your flight and we can keep you here for 14 20, 30 more hours. Um or you can just withdraw your application to enter the US come in just repeatedly have to withdraw my application to enter for 2 years.

That was a thing that happened where I just they would just hold me for long enough that I missed every flight and did never got a refund. and at that time during covid a lot of the only flights to Australia and to Canada to visit my family back and forth were through the Us because of all the flight cancellations. so you know prevented from seeing family and in some cases my last flight from Australia to Canada to come to the funeral of family memb members and C family I hadn't seen in a year. They told me we need all of your computers, devices uh passwords or you don't get to see your family.

Oh Go! And at that point I had been so emotionally beat down and so detached from the people that I loved and it was like my grandmother's funeral who was so close to me who I love so much you the government will literally get you to a point where it's just like I don't care like take it like that's my rights being violated I feel violated I feel like you have just completely VI Like you know I have no rights of my own but fine, you win. Do you think people could make this comparison to your situation and then the same power that was oppressing you but in the opposite form supporting someone like Jeffrey Epstein How do you mean so like the power of the government protecting all of the politicians associated with Jeffrey Epstein and the non-prosecution agreements protect protecting Alan Duritz and Jeffrey Epstein 100% the a single. If you have a journalist that would have been early days looking into this 1,000% you would have had people with all of these connections calling up. Oh this journalist.

They're trying to get to a conference over here where they're going to be speaking on an event about us. You know, um, put them, put a little like flag on their passport, get them pulled in, make sure they miss their flight and you know you'll never be able to prove that necessarily. You won't know who did screening random screening. Yeah you you and it's very crazym.

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Maybe it was something more Sinister they so right over there. Yeah, yeah, exactly right. Um, like I was able you know to get little pieces of information here and there because I I think I explained this to you before like through all of these questioning sessions. there's a bit of cross-pollination like I don't think they got any information from me that wasn't already public or online I ain't no snitch but no I'm Ser but like I also wasn't doing anything illegal like I genuinely I'm like yeah, you have literally held me here, questioned me, tormented me, held me from family like psychologically just tried to destroy me and you still have nothing on me I am not in jail I have no criminal record like I know I'm fine I know everything I'm doing is fine until ban.

Free Speech for real For real here, right? Um, but I did learn things about from them. You know the types of questions they would ask me, the groups they would ask me, about I'm like oh, so that's what you guys are looking into right now like that's your motus operandi? That's what you're focusing on. so it's the the flashlight has moved from Lauren Southern on to other things. Does that give you an opportunity for new opt like new activism in 2024? Like what are your focuses I I won't lie like I think I was explaining this you've talked about.

you're like wow, you aren't that active on your channel Lauren and it's true I have and even when I am I I'm a little trigger shy if if that's like a reverse word that I'm a little gun shy because it's like I don't know you've messed up so much of my life because of the things I've said literally when I was like a teenager like 20 21 years old right? Um, it's been scarring, it's been a bit scarring. It's like do I really want to get involved really shaking things up and I have moments where I'm like I do But even even then, like so much of the political sphere is very focused on the financial opportunity of people's like Collective hope towards certain ideas and like okay, how can we monetize this and and I get it like you need money to do things but I think it's become way too focused on that um just corporate media corate media that now it's not only like the government that you're competing against and which was it used to be this like Real Collective in 2015 of people who were super interested in this and got involved in it and were making their own little home videos and stuff, but now it's like if you kind of threaten the corporate regime, that's like listen, we got a good thing going here. We've got our donors. We've got our um, the opinions that we've created that are acceptable for our audience and we like like them being in this feedback loop of those opinions.

Don't take them out of that. Don't say things that may disturb the donors, Don't say things that might you know ruffle the feedback loop of money making that we're in right now. Uh, it's it's a very scary environment and I really feel like I'm in a point I you know I'm I'm really in this point of like data collection and like understanding better because I am aware of the position I'm in I am not wealthy I am not from a family with like strings that they can pull in the background I don't have all these big connections I'm just me and I feel like I probably spend a lot more time like analyzing how the system is working and understanding how I can contribute maybe in small ways behind the scenes, meaningful ways behind the scenes. and then if I have an opportunity to contribute things I think are meaningful on my own channel or in movies I make I do that.

but I'm still in this kind of data collection phase of realizing I went into this whole political world blind and got myself really messed up on all fronts Financial Political social and now I'm like, okay, it's time for you to sit down and realize you don't know everything and it's time to learn a bit more and it's humbling. It's good, it's good. I was a bit of an idiot and it's nice being humbled and both my both in my opinions and in my way of operating I've grown in a lot of it. I was actually about to ask about that.

So obviously your behaviors changed. but what, how have your political opinions changed since you were 192021? It's hard being asked that because there are people that see that become more nuanced in my beliefs. and then there are people who are like very leftwing that are like oh no, she's still a Nazi like she still has criticisms of she still get immigration, She still has criticisms of this or that and I'll tell you right now anyone who comes out and is like I was a right winger and now I regret it and I am here to expose what horrible bigots they are. There's no honesty in that people don't change their views 100% especially when you've been in a political movement, leftwing or right-wing There are a lot of deeply honest people that really believe they are trying to change the world for the right in both of those movements.

and when you get to know them, you become friends with them. You love some of these people you know with with your heart or your family. you know you're all of those things you. It's hard to let go of seeing things from their perspective and seeing the parts where they are right.

And so anyone who like changes their belief overnight and is like actually all criticisms of immigration is just racism. No, you're just saying that because you want to make a quick Buck. You're just saying that because you think you can pull the wool over people's heads and you don't actually have any core beliefs to you. So you know I've definitely in my travels, exploring the world, meeting people I understand the nuance and complexity of things better and that's just growing up.

Yeah, the the way the internet acts like you made a video in 2016 that you had this opinion and it wasn't nuanced and that's who you are for the rest of your life. Like the in this situation isn't the person who grows up and you know creates Nuance in their beliefs a bit. it's the person who thinks that growing up doesn't exist. It's like an example maybe I I love? by the way, would an example of that maybe be if somebody sees if they Google Lauren Southern and they see a t-shirt that you're wearing, that's it's okay to be white.

Does that potentially leave somebody with an impression that isn't actually you? It's funny I went and I uh I Was speaking to a university class and there was a kid at the back of the class that like put up their hand and they were like you know, why did you wear this racist shirt and I was like okay, um why do you think that shirt's racist They're like, well this article says it's a racist shirt and I'm like okay, what do you think of the statement it's okay to be white and they're like um I'm like do you think it's okay to be white and they're like yeah, like yeah I think we both do and you know I understand when it's like portrayed and that I I get what people are saying, they're like, Well, it means more than just the statement itself. like your your dog whistling or whatever like black lives Matter means more than just black lives matter. it's tied to a whole social and political movement. I Get that, but also like you're not going to and maybe if we have a more nuanced conversation and you really convince me that it's okay to be white is like a deeply you know Nazi type statement.

I Think you're going to have trouble convincing me of that because I was part of the people that kind of popularized it at the time and I know my intention was just I think the media will freak out if I say this because they're kind of racist. So when you've been a part of popularizing that and you know what your intentions were, it's going to be hard to convince me that there were like other negative secret codes behind it. Sure, but yeah, that seems to be a a mainstream media almost approach of well, you're saying this and therefore you're inciting violence. We hear a lot of that now by like oh, it's one phrase is inciting somebody else and then you'll have interviews with the people who say a certain phrase or maybe wear a shirt or what.

Whatever it's I'm not inciting violence, it's just it's this statement in its own, not okay like you've just explained and then response, oh, but somebody might take offense to that. Is this like what's happened to the media? Is the media just looking for any reason for somebody to be upset to run a story or have people become more sensitive? What's going on? Well I think when when I was younger, when I was younger I talk like I'm 60 feel like I am I'm 28 I don't feel it I feel older than 28 but um, no. when I was like 20 really getting into this, um, the media. Have you ever watched the movie Best of Enemies? Oh no.

oh it's such a good movie it's Gadal versus William F Buckley who started the National Review and then Gadal very Progressive wrote a bunch of you know Progressive kind of LGBT books everything. um they they were looking to spice up ABC News at the time who was falling behind in third or fourth or something and so it was like the election I think it was Barry Goldwater or something I can't remember the exact election that was going on but they decided what if we did like a debate show between Gor Vdal and William F Buckley Completely different opinions and like just got them firing at each other. That would be fascinating and this was where kind of the debate TV and YouTube Sphere Blood Sports kind of all sparked from right and it did very well. It like totally boosted their ratings and it's one of the most fascinating movies to watch.

There's this one scene where I really feel it was like the damn breaking in the respect in media and Society where Gor Vidal looks at William F Buckley and says you're a crypto fascist and that was like you know, shots fired and Buckley snapped too and um oh what did he say he he said something about him being a goddamn queer and everyone was like shocked sh you didn't do these things and like respectable TV at the time right? And if you went back and uh towards the end of the movie I'm spoiler alert. You can skip past this if you plan on watching Best of Enemies but they towards the end of Buckley's life they replayed that clip in one of his last interviews of him saying like you're a goddamn queer to gorbad all and he almost cried. He looked like a Broken Man like he couldn't believe he allowed himself to get to that state. But that kind of behavior now is just the Norman media right? this name calling this absolutely visceral straw Manning of other people and what their beliefs are and what their core intentions are.

and back then for someone like Buckley to do that, For someone like Bdal to do that, that was like wow, what have I done not only to the sphere around me, but what have I done to my own soul to like portray people in that way and so dishonestly And now it's just the norm. Like the floodgates have broken and people see the opportunism that it created for ABC News at that time and others and and everyone. it's like oh, I you push it just a little further, push it just a little further, but it's always Icarus Flying Too Close to the sun right? Eventually you go too and it destroys the whole thing and I've I've partaken in that I've said things that I look at and I'm like I did not need to say that about that person I did not portray them I did not steal man them I did not really try to understand them and in turn I've had many people do it to me and it's a vicious cycle and I almost can't even be mad because I understand they wanted to create a villain because that's what people love to see and I was just the blonde cute villain that they could create at the time. Very interesting.

You know, a 20-year-old blonde Canadian girl that's a Nazi going around the world trying to shoot flare guns at Immigr. That's a fun story and it's a lot more fun than a girl who's just trying to learn her steps in the political world and has watch too much Fox News and really actually does have a lot of concerns about immigration because she grew up in Vancouver which is the majority Chinese City now and has changed so much when I was a kid. Tell us about that. You're what's what's going on, like what's motivating you now because I I sense the the not only the the frustration, but almost some regret.

Uh, in in um, the trajectory of the impressions of people. It's not human. None of it's human. None of it's real.

People aren't what they are on the internet. They aren't even what they portray themselves as on the internet. I H I Was having this conversation with a friend recently. They're like man like you.

Get all these like DMS and messages from people that just like adore you that must be crazy and I'm like you know it's appreciated. Obviously like I work hard on some of the stuff I do and I appreciate it. but also they don't adore me. they don't know who I am like they know the image of me and the work I've done and everything.

but they don't know who I am The only people you know are people you've spoken to face to face and you know I Recently went to a conference America Fest or whatever. it was a TPA thing and I uh I walked in and I'm not going to lie I like immediately was like okay, it's time to leave after walking into the conference I like looked at all these faces and it was the like profile pictures that I had seen on X or Twitter and YouTube and I was like these things need to remain on my screen not in real life but like I I don't like the Collision of Worlds too intense or what was it? Well it's there's something very disappointing. You know, seeing people that are entirely willing to be very dehumanizing and cruel on the Internet or treat you in an entirely different way and then you meet them face to face and all of that disappears. There's something that creates hope in humanity because you know you get these two people in a room together and you get rid of the it's the ego.

It's the fact that people are watching on these websites, right? It's I can't lose in this game of ego. but you put two people alone. You get rid of all the viewers. Everything.

it's gone. there's no need to perform, and they're a completely different person. and there's something very emotionally kind of disturbing. It's like wow, we really are just like a bunch of monkeys on a stage just trying to have you lost hope.

Well this is the other thing I was going to say is there? There's something inspiring about it because you remember at the end of the the day when humans get rid of that ego and when they get rid of the the people watching, there is a core of good in them and they're actually quite Meek creatures that are feeling very lost and just want to understand and they see everyone else putting up an ego and everyone else putting up the show and they're like, well, I guess I have to too and I don't really want to be hurt and that person right now is getting canceled online in the Coliseum and ripped apart by the digital lions. and I don't really want that to be me. So I'm going to put up this personality. but then you see people face to face, you talk to them.

You know always that quote of I like the 3:00 a.m. version of people. You know the version where it's like really raw and that exists in all of these people that exists in everyone. The worst person you know online has that 3:00 A.m vulnerable version of themsel that.

I'm not saying it excuses their terrible Behavior But it exists and I I do believe it can be reached and I think every person has that part of them that can be. Say everybody want that 3: A.m. too I Do I want everyone to be like that all the time I Think that's that's when we're Raw and honest and get rid of the ego. That's when people can truly begin to love and understand one another.

Um, but I guess the depressing part is you go there and it's like the internet is not getting smaller. it's expanding and our connection to it, our screen time and I'm part of it. I'm part of that cycle like I am forever trapped in this internet world. I I This is my lifeline now and I think that's bad.

I Think the world where this wasn't people's jobs when I was younger was much better because um, when people are now trapped to it and they don't have the ability to walk away or be cancelled or just say something and then it doesn't work out, it's like, well, it's okay I still have my real life. Um, you could actually just be honest. You could. just you didn't have to kind of create all these fake characters that everyone's talking to online.

But um yeah, as it expands more and more people are going to be pressed to create their their avatars on the internet that are just like the super ego. It's we in regular want people to see basically well in regular life. like we all have a bit of a mask that we put on when we go out in our community trying to look good. but on the internet you can just like really pump that up right? Like not only am I wearing a mask, I'm literally wearing a mask I've got a filter going.

This isn't even me. This is like an AI person that I've invented and I'm not even going to live as myself. I'm going to spend 18 hours on my computer pretending to be you know, an AI girl that's 15 years old or what? Like, It's just. it's getting weird out there, right? So how does this affect everyday people? Uh, like, is it is? it? Is it something where, uh, it's important to spend less time on? say Tik Tok or social or is how how can an everyday watch or learn from the pain that you're sharing? It's contradictory because I'm sitting here a hypocrite making internet content literally right now I'm trapping you on a screen.

but at least I'm trying to say things that I think are honest I Think we all know we need to spend less time on the screens I think we all know that I Don't think there's any argument to be made there, but we're trapping people in false versions of reality. Um, and whether it be your political beliefs, we always create kind of hyped up pumped up versions that are more exaggerated than what actually may need to be applied because that is far more you know, interesting and encapsulating. And if you've just come back from an emotional argument with a family member at Thanksgiving where like your liberal cous or conservative cousin has said something that like really pissed you off and you're angry at them, you know someone on the internet telling you that they're literally a hellspawn demon that's going to have their life destroyed by degeneracy or have their life destroyed because they're not going to get the vaccine and CO's going to kill them or whatever because they're a stupid conservative. You know that's unfortunately the content that feeds the ego right? And it's it's a false version and that's how create sort of the amplifying self.

Echo Chambers is the idea Well, and and we look at it with you know both the discourse with men, women. everyone's like, why is the discourse with men and women gotten so weird? Well, there's a lot of money in telling people there's nothing wrong with you, it's everyone else's fault. And whether it be like the feminists who are like it's all men are trash and all men are evil queen You've done nothing wrong like that. Want to hear that because they're really hurting inside and the idea that they could be at fault for you know the position they're in in life is really hard for people to accept.

The men also have their own version. It's all these trying to steal your money and you're doing nothing wrong King Like they're just shallow. you know, barely humans. It's like they just want that feedback loop and the content creators making that content get a lot of money from giving them that feedback.

The idea: I've always been told this quote: if if I point the finger three fingers point back at me that I am more to blame than what I'm pointing at. Are are you suggesting that Maybe some of the issues that men complain about with I can't find a good woman or women complain about I can't find a good man? Maybe has more to to do with themselves than it does the other people. Is that what you're suggesting I mean we can only control ourselves in these scenarios. So if you're finding yourself repeatedly in a position where every single one of your relationships is not working out I'm not saying that we don't live in a broken world where people don't have issues, but you're the common denominator there.

Just think to think you have nothing that you can change is delusional, you know? I've been through some tough situations with relationships I've been through a divorce and you know I I think I may have the compulsion actually the other way around to blame myself too much sometimes because it wasn't until like a judge told me like your relationship was effed and like you know like this is messed up and like you got to like get away did I accept that? Okay, maybe actually. I I do need to just accept but but then that still in that it's like okay, what is messed up in me that made me make this decision and not realize what was going on around me? know and and you're saying social media folks might be trying to accelerate the self- delusion and then profit off of it. whereas like, clearly, you went through something very extreme here I mean you were married to a federal agent and there's there are two things here I don't want to get into too much details because I think we can talk about these things in a general sense and you know it's H I'm still processing some of that, you know? But yeah, that was one of their jobs, but wasn't entirely okay. Definitely it was a big factor in like the very different lives going on and the contr.

You know, like when you've got a security clearance and when you're someone who can destroy someone's security clearance. there's some pretty fundamental issues there, but both of us decided to be in that relationship. so walk off that on. then the media.

uh, do do you think that's a thing is is this I mean it's what you're implying is that social media influencers are going to pry on. It's not you, it's everyone else and then accelerating that Echo Chamber for Profit is. is that your argument? Oh, of course, of course. yeah.

Um, you know if you go into conservative circles, for example, and I Just, you know, a lot of people in the conservative sphere, they kind of sometimes will refer to me as a traitor I think the reasonable people are like in the conservative sphere. Yeah, yeah, the reasonable people are like okay I completely understand what you're doing. but because I understand the conservative World better because I grew up in that I I spent a lot of time in that sphere I Don't consider myself or call myself a conservative. but I'm definitely in the dissident media for sure and I have a lot of love for those people.

A lot of those people are my family, my friends. You know a lot of the politics. I very much agree with conservative. the lot of and a lot of love for the dissident media too.

Okay, but um, I just don't want to call myself that and then have people be like, okay, well, this thing or that thing you did isn't conservative I'm I just rather be like, okay, fine, like don't call me that. That's okay if you guys want a very strict label I think that's okay. you protect that right? But um I critique it a lot because I understand it better. like maybe if I was in leftwing politics for a long time I could do a lot more internal critique of that and I already have done a lot of outward critique.

but I'll do a lot of internal critique because I think the best thing you can do is look Inward and try to fix the things that you are doing and putting out into the world and there's some frustration often within that audience they're like, well, you're you're a traitor, right? And it's like no. Love comes with honesty. Like if you are constantly like let's say you're you're married and your partner is going out. They've got food in their teeth.

you know they smell bad. Everything like well I Got to constantly affirm them. I Go. You look amazing.

You're doing great sweetie like perfect. And they go to the job interview. They don't get it. the person's disgusted by them.

Well, did you really help them by not pointing out like let's let's fix some things here. Let's like, but there's such a compulsion, um to not self-critique when you get in these groups because that means making your allies uncomfortable sometimes and the group dynamic is not always going to like that. it's the left, has problems with it, the right has problems with it, Everyone does. Genders have problems with it and within the you know the media.

Sphere For conservatives just as once again an example like if you go into your and I'm maybe you you probably have the same thing your background of your like YouTube Statistics: 90% of the audience of these videos Politics in general is going to be male. like 90% for most of these channels, Even not for you. Yeah, for me for everyone, 80 to 90% for most creators that are in the political right-wing sphere. and that's just.

You know people can make whatever analysis they want of that. But I'm just saying like a video saying all right men, let's look Inward and consider how women might be correct in these positions. That's just not going to do well. It's just not going to do well, right? So you get this feedback loop and then you know vice versa.

Jezebel Magazine: Whatever it is, they're going to have like an 80 to 90% female audience and doing a video saying well Actually, you know here's where men might be correct and where you might be being over emotional and misinterpreting them. that's not going to do well. People are going to be like I don't want to read that? sure And that feedback loop of like okay you've gone through a horrible breakup or had this situation of let's look up the specific situation I'm in on Google and why I'm right, Everyone does that to make themselves feel better because they already feel so attacked. They already feel so in pain.

they just want something to soothe them to make it feel like I did the right thing. It's not me and the internet has every possible flavor of it's Not you. So you talk a lot about self-reflection on a personal level, on a political level, on a social level. but so what about an economic level? What about a lot of those people who right now are not in a good place financially cuz I know a lot of your content covers like how much chaos the world's in and how like what a hard time it is to be alive right now? how much that do you think is based on luck and how much do you think is like again the common denominator being the person in the bad financial situation.

That is a very good question because we were talking about this earlier just for my own um episode with you and about your kind of positive vision for how you approach trying to build up your wealth and I'm like okay well here's all of the negatives that are facing young people. The reason I tend to focus more on being sympathetic to people that are economically struggling is once again because of the background I come from I Come from a sphere where it is very hardcore swung on the pull yourself up by your bootstraps like if you are poor it's your fault like that's kind of the background I come from and I do think that has helped people like get their butt up and just be like I don't care how hard this situation is I'm going to make it work no matter what and that's helped me in my own life. within the past four years I had like nothing in my bank account. you know I was like no idea what I'm going to do or where I'm going to go and I was able to build back and get my life back together and part of that comes from the way I was raised the attitude that was imprinted on me but also good for you by the way.

thank you thank you Yeah I'm pretty proud of myself actually for that one. Um, but also I know that there is the the self-reflection There is actually me saying okay, but is there something I can understand from people who are in that hard position? Can I like try to put myself in their shoes from this perspective I come from and say what are the challenges that could seem insurmountable to them? how can we sympathize while still encouraging people to work hard and try to pull themselves out? And that's more of the self-reflection because of my background. So one person's self-reflection is going to look very different from anothers depending on where their Bas Line is Now your uh, criticism that Echoes a lot in in your postings now is immigration. Can can you touch on what's going on in Canada what's the immigration crisis that Canada's facing Yeah, um I I think I've It's so hard to talk about immigration because I'm a little more self-aware of what other people are interpreting when I say immigration like they're like oh, you just hate brown people, you just hate people that are different than you and it's not.

There are so many factors that have absolutely nothing to do with that. you're you're becoming a lot more careful. Well, it's not even about being careful. I'm just like I actually want people to understand what I'm saying I actually just want you to understand like I just don't want I used to not care that much when I was younger when people didn't understand what I was saying because I almost found it entertaining I'm like look how mad they are look how wrong they are like they don't even know what I'm saying like you're just an idiot and in reality when everyone or when lots of people are Mis understanding you, you kind of need to sit there and be like okay, how can I explain this better That's another self-reflection Point That's fair.

That's fair. But um, fundamentally humans that are very similar to you that have grown up in the same environment as you. They speak the same language, they have the same cultural you know icons that they look to. If you were to talk about your childhood, you could talk about the same place you got ice cream from as a kid.

You have all of these similar reference points. Those people that have a 100,000 points of reference together that are similar. Obviously, you can understand each other better because the reference points. but they have a hard enough time as it is loving one another, being kind to one another, being good, and and misinterpreting one another.

You look at marriages even within communities that are very similar, similar values, similar morals, they still fall apart, People still go crazy people still Rob and murder each other and treat each other horribly. Um, we really are being naive when we think we can just mesh a bunch of people with a thousand billion different reference points and very few points of common um reference together and not have problems and and not have total you know disconnect. We're talking like we have immigration here where people don't even speak the same language. You're talking like refugees Asylum Well no, no, no, our like our immigration.

Just like the legal normal system everything. There's a joke within Australia that it's like, uh, what's what's the um difference between someone who applied for immigration to uh, let me try to figure out how this works. It's like yeah, what's the thing in common to an immigr in Australia and Canada that's from India Oh, they both applied for Australia but they have like yeah, they have um, much higher rates of like your English proficiency for Australia like yeah requirements so if you failed, well, you just apply for Canada next. So I think you're going to have a lot less problems with immigration in countries that have higher standards for no, you actually have to be able to be cohesive with the people in your community.

You have to be able to communicate with them, you have to be able to get a job and generally fun inte and function in society. We are lowering those standards all the time in part because immigration is being used as a tool to keep up the rich and Elites Ponzi scheme of property here in Canada Tell us about that. That was a mouthful. Tell us about that, um, the entire Canadian economy.

We're like in a debt economy right now where everyone's money is just tied up in the housing market and if that were to crash, everything would collapse, right? And I think even you'd agree with that. Yes, okay, um and so the kind of the mode of operation of our government right now is just keep the housing costs up at all. All costs like no matter what and that means keep prices up because all of our like, yeah, if this crashes, the whole Ponzi scheme fails and one of the ways to do that is mass immigration. If you have too many people for the houses that exist, well, there's going to be a lot of people competing and increasing those prices right, fighting for them Supply demand.

It's very simple you think. but like the the liberal government, they pretend to be idiots. They really walk around. they're building.

Yeah, they build 10,000 houses in three years in a town London Ontario Where they're inviting 30,000 people every year. You know, Whatever it is, the rates are just completely the num. The math is not mapping. Yeah, in this, you know we're talking 500,000 immigrants a year.

and that's not even including like student visas. You know all the illegal immigration to 200,000 houses being built every year and that's up substantially the 500k number as well. Yeah, it's going up every year and it's that's in a country where we already don't have enough houses for the people living in it. So that's just necessarily going to keep those housing prices up up up up up no matter what.

And it's getting to a point where it's almost like they're expecting the people in Canada to just lower their standard of living to the people that they're inviting into the country. So someone who has come from a very poor country and you know I Get it? I Understand I do the same thing that they're doing. There's no hate there, right? It's just a hatred for what the government plan is for the people that are like my family and friends in my community. they want us all to be okay with living 20 to 40 people to a house you know, all pooling in our resources from our minimum wage jobs to pay for that.

Like the people that they're shipping in who are doing that right now, we all know it. You can go look at all the videos of basically slumlord complexes in Toronto and Vancouver for Indian immigrants and students that they've created, which is disgusting and they just want us all to lower our standard of living to living like that. And then when we were talking earlier about wages and competing for lower wages this is big corporations that love the fact that oh, okay, local Canadians don't want to work this backbreaking job for minimum wage like everyday horrible Pay no benefits. That's okay, we'll invite someone instead of instead of adjusting our wages to what the people here will work for so that there's like an equitable trade of you know, the corporation investing in the population and the population investing in the business.

No, we'll just ship someone in from overseas who has a lower standard of living and lower standards for what their wages are. And then Canadians you're just not going to get a job if you don't lower your standards. Wow. And it's just absolute corporate political takeover of the population.

The politicians. you can look at it, they all got their investment Port portfolios, property all over the place, right? They want to keep these numbers up for themselves and their families. and then the corporations are making tons of money off of driving down wages with mass immigration. And then you have the delusional kind of liberal, left-wing commentator class that are like you're a racist if you criticize this, love the work in class and they I I I Don't know if it's delusion or if it's because they're employed by the same very politicians and media corporate complex that are doing this and they've just kind of fallen into line with lying to the populace and destroying your reputation if you criticize what's going on, but that's what it feels like.

or maybe they are just that delusional I Don't know. It could be a tossup, right? So is there a level of immigration that's okay that you think of or is it systems or what fixes the immigration problem? Is it just no immigration or no? I Think there is a level of immigration that is fine. We've had normal levels in the past that were sustainable where our infrastructure was keeping up and that's another thing that the immigration people never talk about. They say, well, why don't we just build more houses? Okay, well, let's deal with.

you know the problem we have now. we got to build the houses first. Like let's stop. You know, close the floodgates and catch up Like You can't just build these things overnight.

But even so okay, we build a ton of houses. The neighborhood I grew up in when I was younger. Langley BC Some people, you know you can drive down the roads there. it's completely different.

It's it. actually like hurts my soul when I drive through there because it's just townhouse. Central It's starting to look like been developed. To clarify, you're yeah, it's developed, looks nice, but it used to be trees.

It used to be parks and it's just like housing housing. housing housing housing like you can't see anywhere right? Urban sprawl and people don't realize that when you do that. There's a lot more infrastructure as well. Like let's Use our brains school.

Fire Hospitals are our hospitals keeping up. We know damn well our hospitals are not keeping up. The waiting times have gone way through the roof, people are d in waiting for their treatments. The infrastructure is not keeping up the roads.

Highway One Anyone you know Driving from Vancouver to Langley to Abbottford it's like getting impossible. You're sitting in traffic all day long. You you can only great build tons of houses. okay hospitals, schools, you know, walking trails, going to the beach anymore and not even being able to find somewhere to sit like the quality of life is dropping drastically as well when you don't have this infrastructure in place which we don't So it's quite obvious that it's just this Ponzi scheme of keep that housing price up.

don't care how it's affecting people and that's not even mentioning the social aspect that I was explaining at the be beginning of this where it's like we are having communities just quarantine themselves into tiny little micro cities and countries of their own ethnic group that speak the same language. Whether it be you know the Crystal Mall area or Richmond I'd take you there and drive you through if you had more time. but even the signs advertising property are all in Chinese there they're not even I want to know about this area? Well this is. It's like all Chinese everyone that lives there Chinese speaks Chinese up I mean if you're it's like 20 minutes.

it's near the airport w we are okay anyways um yeah that area it's pretty close. you can just drive in and about there or the guru and en act Temple area in Suri which is 80 to 90% ethnically Indian and you know people aren't speaking English There you've got the Kistan problems or you've got Korea Town areas and then you've got little like white enclaves as well and everyone's It's actually creating the opposite of this Multicultural Kumbaya state that people said we could achieve. We were closer to that to that in the '90s when you had people of different ethnic groups that had the same kind of interests. Hobbies We're talking to each other.

We're growing up in the same communities and like when you were younger, you know when I was younger? like when you were hanging out with someone who was of a different ethnicity they had generally they had so much in common with you because they were another kid whose parents grew up here and they're like yeah, you all Well now it's like an immigrant from an immigrant town where everyone speaks their own language and they don't really trust Outsiders from that area and even like down to like the gangs. our gangs are turning into ethnic gangs that are fighting each other in ethnic conflicts. It's like it there. It's hard for people to assimilate.

If I were to move to another country. I Don't think I could assimilate to all their values, language and customs. In my lifetime, it would probably be my children and their children. Maybe their children, my children's children that could do that right.

It takes a long time. people don't change overnight, even when you get married to someone from another culture. people marriages break up over that like it takes a long even when you love this person and you want to be a part of it and we're not even necessarily talking about people who love and want to be part of Canada For a lot of people, it's just an Economic Opportunity like I want to take everything I can get from this place and send it back home to my family. Well of course I mean if you come from Syria or Turkey or Venezuela or or whatever or a lot of refugees, they don't even want to be here.

they'd rather be home. But unfortunately the West destabilized their countries with their horrible foreign policy and I don't blame them for that. But let's not lose sight of the reality that this whole ethnic Kumbaya religious Kumbaya all of these things. uh it it.

There's very real Community conflict that occurs. We see that. how did the West destabilize in Europe oh I think think you know Foreign Wars that shouldn't have taken place in a lot of countries you know. Um, there's an amazing video of the French or is it Italian what's the Italian president's name I I on the tip of my tongue yeah yeah she loves M M.

Beeni her the name she loves Elon her her what is her name It's going to kill me I can see her face find out we need to know we must know uh and and as I pull that up of course this is the first thing I see on my phone of course of course yeah, this is what people wear in Canada right? and oh yeah that that's what we all all wear I hate it. Thank you I already my country, my country is sad enough. Thank you Kevin I thought all your heads were going to be like split. Yeah yeah, mm that's us.

there it is. Maloney Georgia Maloney Yeah there's a video of her speaking about um I to just find the video but where she's talking about uh, like economic meddling in Africa from FR France like basically taking all their resources, giving them essentially pennies the dollar for what they're getting and and talking about it's on all levels. It's not only Wars It's economic meddling, it's going in and um, you're like explain your foreign policy problems with the West Okay, let me go back to University here and write an essay for youor it's like I'm not going to have it on the tip of my tongue. that's okay.

I'm like oh my gosh, this is just a given and now I'm being asked for details. I'm sorry I'm it's okay. Do you think someone but no I do I do think I will I will stand on the talking point that if you gave me time to sit down and write an essay about all of the foreign meddling in other countries, I 1,000% would be confident with the time to Res I Get you specific examples: somebody like VI or Trump who would be more likely to to in your opinion in America maybe solve that foreign meddling and you know VI has this idea that let's let's just freeze the boundaries in. Ukraine Stop spending money in uh, you know to to Israel for invading the Gaza Strip Where do you stand on some of these things and and the the idea of uh, someon