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Everyone meet kevin here is kathy wood wrong about inflation. In this video, we'll discuss and we'll talk about the three types of inflation camps that exist now, you might think wait a minute. I thought there were only two. I thought there was either the inflation camp or the non-inflation camp.
Well, it goes a little bit more deep by the end of the video i want to know which camp you're in because there are three and you got ta know what they are, and it's helpful to know is kathy right about what she says. But first i want to just quickly mention that this video is brought to you by masterworks dot. Io they've got a special link in the description below that lets. You skip a wait list that they have so check that out we'll talk more about them in a bit and check out the black friday sale for the programs on building your wealth linked down below.
Okay, let's get right into kathy wood without any other delay check. This out kathy wood responds to jack dorsey from twitter and square. When jack dorsey says, hyperinflation is going to change. Everything is happening now in this video we're going to really pick apart kathy wood's argument here.
She says that hey look in 2008 and 2009 when the federal reserve started printing money. She thought that inflation was going to take off, but she said she was wrong because the velocity of money or the rate at which money turns over declined, taking away that inflationary, sting and intuitively. That seems right. It would seem that if i had five dollars and i spent it on a hot dog and that hot dog vendor spent it and then whoever received that money spent in and so on and so forth, and that chain happened 10 times, then we would create 50 Of value, but if that chain only happened five times, we would create 25 of value, and it would make sense that the 10 times version would create more inflation right.
So it kind of makes sense when kathy wood says oh well, yeah the velocity of money is down, there's not going to be inflation, we're good, but wait a minute. Is that historically accurate, and is that actually how the velocity of money is calculated? Well, let's answer exactly that right now, so the easiest way to understand the velocity of money is not trying to over complicate it. I think, most of the time when we hear this phrase we're like this is ridiculous. I cannot pay attention to this.
I do not want to pay attention to this. This is insanity, but it's really not that difficult. Because take a look at this. There are three things that you got to know and they're really really easy number one: let's throw down the size of the economy.
Measured in how much money we spend okay about 21 trillion dollars per year, roughly we're going to do rough estimates to show you an example here, okay, this is known as the gdp, the gross domestic product. You don't even really have to know that all you have to know is okay size of the economy, measured by the sum of all the things that are spent 21 trillion dollars got. It sounds good, okay cool! Now, let's divide that by how much money exists. Well, we could use something complicated like the m2 money supply or different measures of money supply like how much money is in savings account. Checkings accounts, retirement, blah blah blah blah or you could just go with the example and go there's, probably somewhere around seven trillion dollars floating around out there. Okay cool got it got it all right. Well now, if i divide these two, the size of the economy by roughly how much money is floating around out there, which again could be approximated by m2 or m3, it doesn't matter we're keeping this simple here then you're going to get a velocity of money of Three, this means a 21 trillion dollar economy was created by seven trillion dollars circulating three times each now. That doesn't actually mean that every dollar i spent circulated in the economy.
Three times like you could have spent a dollar and it could have circulated 30 times and i could have spent a dollar and it could have circulated one time. It's just a big fat, boring average. And so, when you look at the velocity of money chart and people are like. Oh, my gosh, the velocity of money is going down and when the velocity of money goes down, that means we're probably not going to have inflation right as much as i'd like to agree with that simplistic argument, it might be historically wrong.
We're going to talk about that history in a moment, and here's where you could start getting a little sussed out by kathy's argument you ready to get sussed out. Let's go back to this math for a moment. Let's say i print three trillion dollars tomorrow, like i'm jay pow and i just got this magic money printer and i print three trillion more dollars and we've got a similarly sized economy. Is that me or does that all of a sudden mean there's no inflation? Well, let's do the math take a look at this okay.
We are now going to say that there are 10 trillion dollars of money supply which 21 the size of the economy divided by 10 means money. Supply is actually two point where money velocity is actually 2.1. Wait a minute: the more money was printed, the more the velocity of money went down instantly, it's kind of like jerome powell came in with a big punch bowl and it's like hey. You were using a small punch bowl earlier, which meant when you took punch out of it.
You were taking a bigger percentage of it. Now you got a big punch, bowl and you're, taking out less of a percentage. We we need your money to circulate less. In other words, right, we need your juice to affect less of the big pie, because we just just got you a bigger punch, bowl and everybody likes the party, so we got to keep the party going more punch.
Okay, don't worry so much about that! The point is wait a minute if we print money automatically, the velocity of money goes down all right. Well, now take a look at this. Here's the united states outstanding debt, look at it last 20 years from 2020 right here straight up and the velocity of money. The last 20 years straight down - oh my gosh - it literally makes sense you print more money. The velocity of money goes down. It's that freaking simple, but wait a minute. What does that tell us about inflation? Well, inflation's. Nowhere in this equation, bingo inflation is actually not in the equation of the velocity of money.
Inflation might literally have nothing to do with the velocity of money, but wait a minute. We should fact check this because intuitively, if my money circulates less, that would imply less inflation. Remember that hot dog example, we did yeah well. What does history tell us and if the velocity of money doesn't affect inflation, then what actually does is kathy right.
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Wait, a minute. Kathy woods says: velocity is going down, but when we do, the math velocity doesn't seem to have anything to do with inflation, but we should fact check this. We should see if there's a pattern in history. Okay, we can do that. Let's go to history. So, let's start with the 1970s, we had extremely high inflation in the 1970s go to cpi. Look at this 1970 starting in 1973, massive peaks of inflation, 10. 11 - very, very volatile! Here you go down to six percent, then you go all the way up to 14.
15 and you come crashing back down, so look for between 1973 and about 1983. This was cpi. What did it? What did the velocity of money do between 1973 and 1983 right here in this period very little very, very, very little movement, so you had mega high inflation, the highest inflation that you've ever seen, and the velocity of money didn't skyrocket, which, if kathy wood, is right. That we're not going to see inflation because the velocity money is going down.
Then then it would make sense that if we're seeing hyperinflation the velocity money would be going up. But we didn't see that here we did see the velocity of money have like this giant. Tumor of an explosion over here in the 90s, but what did inflation do in the 90s? If kathy wood is right, then, as the velocity of money goes up, we should see more inflation right. Well, what happened in the 90s? Ah, crap inflation went down literally wrong like wrong: no correlation in the 70s between the velocity of money, inflation, no correlation in the 90s, between the velocity of money and inflation, and what about the next period of 2010 to 2020? Well, the velocity of money was kind of stable, i i'd say relatively flat.
You could probably draw a pretty relatively flat line through here, with the exception of maybe 2015 here so pretty flat, and what happened to the velocity of money was the velocity of money flat. No, the velocity of money plummeted, which, if the velocity of money plummeted, we should have seen inflation uh plummet, but it really didn't it kind of stayed consistent and consistently low, like probably somewhere around 1.75 percent, so you've kind of seen it all here. You've seen that the math doesn't agree with kathy wood, that the velocity of money that we look at the charts of velocity of money, don't seem to have anything to do with inflation. The 1970s, the 1990s and the 2010s indicate the velocity money has nothing to do with inflation so using the charts for a law.
The velocity of money to try to understand like are we going to see inflation? Probably a really bad idea, because they're broken that doesn't work now again intuitively. It makes sense. If i have more money and my money is going to circulate in the economy more, then it would make sense that prices would go up right, because i could i could create more demand, but that would be measured in gdp growth, see remember when we were selling Hot dogs, if the hot dog market, it creates 25 dollars of power that goes into the gdp equation, which means we have a bigger numerator in that gdp equation, which take a look at how that could potentially work. You jump back over here and, let's say the velocity of money which really we're. Let's just get rid of that, because velocity money doesn't seem to have anything to do with inflation. Let's go back to the numbers that we originally had, which was 7 billion or 7 trillion circulating velocity of money of 3 and a 21 trillion dollar economy. Well, let's say my money went a lot further and instead, all of a sudden, there were 20. We had a 28 trillion dollar economy, okay, well, the economy grew, and in this case the velocity of money went up.
Yeah, that's true, but did that mean we had inflation? Or did that just mean the economy grew well? In this case, we could just compare the united states gdp to what inflation has done and if we look at the gross domestic product for the united states, we get this chart right here. This is the gdp which you really only see falls during a recession which makes sense people are spending less money during a recession. Imagine that otherwise it's like straight up and inflation is literally anything but correlated to gdp, like it don't care so so far, every possible way. I can look at measures of how gdp or the velocity of money is related to gdp.
Kathy wood's argument fails. It fails. Every single time and again intuitively it seems like it should make sense, but maybe when people spend more money, gdp just goes up which kathy wood is expecting gdp to go up. But that doesn't necessarily mean we're.
Gon na have a lot of inflation or no inflation or deflation, there's no correlation that i can find so. Instead, it seems, like inflation is a little bit harder to predict. Inflation really comes down to supply and demand, and that's why we have such crazy debates. In fact, right now there are a lot of fears that a coveted resurgence in europe could spill over to america during the winter leading to new lockdowns and new restrictions, potentially on manufacturing, which means we might worsen supply chain constraints and even if demand is constant supply Goes down well if supply goes down because of manufacturing constraints or shipping constraints again.
Well then simple, econ 101 says supply goes down, demand stays constant, then price has to go up. Price goes up if supply goes down, but demand is constant. The only way price would stay, stable is if supply fell, but then demand also fell, but we've seen that's not how it works so bottom line and then we're going to talk about the three different paths we could actually see with inflation. Inflation seems to have nothing to do with the velocity of money, at least from the research that we could do here using the charts.
So, if you're trying to track what inflation is doing, ignore the velocity of money instead focus on. What's creating prices to go up, and do you think that the reason prices are going to up is going to be a consistent or sort of persistent reason that inflation goes up? That's really really important because look prices. Remember this always always remember this prices of this monster energy drink right here could go from one dollar to two dollars and then we had 100 inflation. Oh my gosh clickbait 100 inflation prices doubled it's insane, okay. What then happened the next year it went to 1.99 minus 1. Oh, my gosh deflation, right, like you, would have to have prices go up every year year after year after year after year after year, to have persistent inflation, and so you got to ask yourself: do you think that prices are going to go up year after year? After year after year that could be for rents that could be for food that could be for cars that could be for chips that could be for computers. You might say yes and that's fine. If that's what you believe, then you are going to be in camp inflation, which basically says that unless the federal reserve raises rates to stop people from spending cheap, easy money, then we're going to keep inflating because people are just going to keep buying, buying, buying buying And if anything, they're going to keep buying more on purpose until rates go up because money's just so cheap possible, that's camp one camp inflation camp, two is the deflationary boom camp and this is where kathy goes see.
Kathy believes that no no, no, it's gon na be easier to put this monster together and ship it to you in the future. We're gon na have robots delivering this to your door in the future, is going to be cheaper. It's kind of like a 48 inch hdtv hd tv in hg tv, too much real estate. It's like a 48 inch tv in 2008 costing 2000, and today you buy it on amazon for 300 right.
That's deflation! That's 15 of the cost of what it used to be. The other thing kathy wood says is that companies that don't learn how to adopt are probably going to fail, become obsolete and to service their debt they're going to have to cut prices, and she thinks when this happens, we're going to have productivity go up at the Surviving companies and we're going to actually see gdp go up during a deflationary time, so camp one is we're. Gon na have lots of inflation and we're screwed unless the fed raises rates kathy, says inflation's going to go down we're going to see deflation over time. Thanks to innovation and older companies going away, but we're going to boom because of that we're going to have an economic mega rally because we're going to have the most efficient companies in the world, potentially we're going to be spending money.
Without concerns about inflation, we could have easy money policies without being concerned about inflation and we're going to boom or you could be in camp ray dalio, and this is camp number three, and this is inflation's not going to last forever. It's going to go down, but when inflation goes down and turns into deflation, people are going to be motivated not to spend their money, which is going to shrink gdp, lead to fear and people hoarding money waiting for lower prices, creating a deflationary spiral. It's kind of like hey if the car is fifteen thousand dollars today and next year, it's twelve thousand five hundred dollars and the year after that, it's eight thousand dollars i'll just wait to buy a car, unless, obviously you have a necessity, a necessity. But if you have the choice, if it's discretionary, you have the choice which, for a lot of people buying a new car, is discretionary. You just buy a new car because you freaking want one uh. That's the american way right, then then uh, but you might put that off for deflationary purposes. Well, there you go now you might be in a situation where we have a deflationary bust, because our economy starts shrinking. When our economy, our gdp, shrinks, we fall into recession when we fall into recession, the stock market sells off and you got problems.
So what did we learn in this video? Well, i think we learned a few things number one. The velocity of money is not as easy as we think it is. We can't just look at the chart of the velocity of money and go. That's it velocity money's going down we're good.
You also can't look at the chart of the velocity of money and go as soon as this goes up. We're screwed we're going to go into hyperinflation honestly, the hype, the velocity of money should just not come up in discussions anymore. When we talk about inflation, i'm gon na make that a rule for myself no more discussions about the velocity of money, because it's a too difficult to measure b. If the velocity money goes up, gdp goes up which doesn't necessarily mean we're inflating.
Gdp is supposed to go up over time, uh we're supposed to be more productive with our resources, right, uh and and be able to have a larger expanding economy and be able to make more money and spend more money. That's the point over time, uh, if you believe in the growth of america right, but we also learned that there are three inflationary camps that one is we're. Gon na have an uh an inflationary nightmare and unless the fed raises rates, we're gon na have hyperinflation we're gon na have problems, or maybe we won't go to the extent of hyperinflation, but we'll have inflation for a while. The other camp is a deflationary boom.
Don't worry about inflation prices are gon na, come down and we're just gon na keep booming or we're gon na have a crash because we're gon na have deflation. I wan na know from you which camp are you in, and what do you think thanks so much for watching this video check out masterworks a link down below and those programs on building your wealth thanks so much for watching and until next time you.
I think inflation will persist. People are spending money right now because they are loading up and good to get out of the dollar
I am on Camp Cathie. Technological Deflation because of AI and automation.
The FEDs behind the curtain agenda is to use smoke and mirrors to phychologically
I really don't like cathie woods lol. Good channel Kevin.
Kevin why did you believe the Fed's lies so long? Glad you finally came to your senses. Austrian economics is all you need to know.
Companies that become more dollar efficient+ramp up product delivery ability = price deflation. Whats the incentive to do this? Simple, as long as demand is there, increased production = more sales in same amount of time; incentive #2, competition. If you can produce faster, better, good customer service and beat competition on price, you are where people want to do business..
Hilarious when people try to predict the future of our economy with some silly tiny linear equation with couple of variables. Cathy Wood is a really good salesman
just come out and say it!!!!! most people srent spending their money or not as much as usual
I don’t know how that all works. You probably got it wrong Kevin. It’s probably not that simple
Oh! Man! You are too rich to remember that buying a car is not discretionary … for most people. When productivity becomes infinite, goods and services are limited by resources only, I can't imagine wages going up with all the AI and automation. Thus, affordability will be the ceiling, so I am with Dalio. BTW, I like to point out 1. correlation is not causation, so the counter-trend between velocity and GDP is true until it is not. 2. definition of CPI changed many times over the decades.
First we will go up a lot! Then we will go down further.
I have really thought annoy this. If Bill Gates goes from 50b worth to 150b of worth and doesn't spend it, he absorbs the money printer. Ther problem of inflation happens when Bill goes and buys 50 yachts and 150 other companies armed goes on a spending spree. A bigger number in his bank account won't contribute to inflation, his spending will.
Brightness has been increasing since the day we were born
The problem in my eyes is that inflation is happening because of shortages so money is not changing hands as much. This is why the velocity of money is down, inflation is up, and raising interest rates won't have the desired effect. It could even have the opposite effect by creating a stagflation situation as raising interest won't help the supply chain issues. Raising interest rates only helps in an over heated economy which we don't have. Look at Vancouver for example. The floods have washed out the roads and destroyed farms. Goods can't get through and milk production has stopped. That is going to drive up prices and inflation and higher interest rates aren't going to cure that. Just my opinion.
i agree….so long as more money is printed without an increase in GDP, this would result in more money chasing the same amount of goods and services, resulting in more inflation.
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It’s so clear, some part will experience inflation and some part deflationary. Property will crash in value. Metaverse will rise is value. One example.
Cathy is counting on innovation being deflationary.
Your being too simplistic! You you must consider employment rate, wages, supply chain, innovation, and public policy. And more important, consolidation of wealth. Billionaires don't spend their money, they use it to make more money, this lowers the velocity of money. And inflation is tightly correlated with wages.
Lol a Youtuber teaching an expert who's been in the business for more than 25 years, hilarious!
I've come full circle. The first video I watched from Kevin was him explaining how we could use velocity of money to predict inflation. Kudos to Kevin for continuing to challenge others and himself, and for never being satisfied with the status quo. A great show would be bringing on economists (maybe one from each 3 camps) to have a moderated Kevin debate!
Guy is probably going to get sued. Has allegedly been giving financial advice before
„Let’s get right into Cathie wood“ 🤨 did I hear that correctly?
One thing to note on the GDP/inflation graph comparison is that the GDP graph is a 'stock' chart, whereas inflation is a 'flow' chart. The better thing to compare would be GDP growth/decline % vs inflation, or GDP vs the real value of $1 using a specific time period as the baseline.
you got it wrong, Kevin, not ARK… you should have gone deeper
Everyone is right about everything from a certain point of view.
Maybe velocity of money is lower because people save more?
You're missing mv=pq so if the quantity is shrinking because of a pandemic the price goes up even if mv stays stable. So inflation will go lower if production goes higher and the velocity doesn't go up and we don't print so much more. Cathie thinks productivity will go up very soon without any monetary change so prices will go down which means deflation.
Coming into an age of AI and a new era of technological innovation it would be perplexing to have high and enduring inflation. I doubt it. And even if it is like that, companies with price power will flourish. So i will stick with companies like apple, microsoft, google, adobe, intuit, meta, nvidia, tesla.
Kathie Wood is just a moron giving any reason or argument to support her hype stocks. She would invent anything.
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Inflation is temporarily. Just wait long enough and a lot in life is temporarily.
I think every sector that is limited by physics and ressources will struggle and every sector that is not will grow. So drilling oil, mining materials, farming in general will struggle and will not grow very much since we already use very automated and optimized systems to extract food and resources from this planet in a gigantic scale. Services of all kinds, the internet, software. ai powered tech and turning analog systems into digital ones (no more pen and paper) will boom.
I thought he didn’t advertise or do sponsored videos ??
Price inflation WILL be high and there's only one way to beat it: run a successful YouTube channel (on inflation). That's the real meaning of "TINA".