Over the past few month's Cathie Wood's Ark Invest has dumped all of her Chinese stocks. This comes in light of the Chinese government's recent crackdowns on ride hailing company Didi as well as the for profit education sector. Investor sentiment has turned sharply negative with many calling Chinese stocks uninvestable. We believe the fears are overblown and many Chinese stocks provide compelling growth potential at more than reasonable valuation.
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What's up guys and welcome back to wall street millennial on this channel, we cover everything related to stocks and investing over the past few months, kathy wood dumped substantially all of her arc invest holdings in chinese stocks. As of april, she owned more than 3 million shares of chinese search engine baidu. She has subsequently dumped the entire position. It's a similar story for video game live streaming, company, hui and social media giant tencent between all the arc etfs.

There are only five chinese stocks remaining, but they are tiny positions amounting to not much more than a rounding error for her to dump. All of her shares so quickly is highly unusual as she is usually a long-term investor. For example, she held tesla for years as his stock moved sideways and eventually reaped the rewards when it mooned in 2020.. So why did she sell all these stocks with most of them being well below her cost basis in this video we'll go over her reasoning, we'll also explain why we think many chinese stocks provide growth opportunities and valuations too attractive to ignore, even despite the risks we Already know a lot of you guys, don't like chinese stocks, it's great that there's a diversity of opinions and you obviously need to do your own research and build your own conviction before making any investments.

But with everyone saying to dump chinese shares, it's important to hear the other side of the argument. If you only follow the crowd, you'll never make above average returns with. That being said, we are not financial advisors, and this video is for entertainment purposes. Only make sure you do your own research and consult with a professional before making any investment decision.

With the dd fiasco and de facto nationalization of education companies. Investors have been dumping their chinese holdings hand over fist. Investors now view china as too unpredictable and dangerous to invest in on august, 7th kathy wood hosted a webinar where she explained her rationale for selling her chinese holdings. Last thing.

Capital may be flowing uh to uh our economy and other developed markets and maybe other emerging markets from china. Because of what has happened recently, um the the government is cracking down. Um it ha it. Uh has uh strengthened its crackdown, it started with jack ma.

We just thought that was a bit of a power play last november, but that was really the beginning of a number of moves having to do with david data privacy data leakage. Data leakage would be dd which, right after it, ipo'd uh the government. Basically, in effect, is, is, is uh trying to shut it down uh, but we don't think it's entirely uninvestible. We know that china does want to become the largest economy in the world, wants to be the most innovative in the world as well wants to dial down some of the mass media products and the inequity that has taken place.

But i don't think it wants to shut its economy down to determine whether chinese stocks are uninvestable. We must figure out the objectives the government is trying to achieve with their recent crackdowns and how far they'll be willing to go. Like kathy woods said, they still have ambitions to become the world's largest economy and leader in technological innovation. To achieve this, they will need their domestic technology giants to continue growing.
Now, let's look specifically at what happened with dd just a few days after they ipo'd on the new york stock exchange, china announced that they are suspending the ride-hailing companies app from the app store and is conducting a data privacy investigation. Some observers view this as a cash grab by the chinese government. They wait for u.s investors to buy shares and leave them holding the bag as they tank. The stock dd raised 4 billion dollars from the ipo.

China has a 15 trillion dollar economy, so 4 billion dollars is not enough to matter so this was not a money grab. The real reason is because of data privacy violations. Dd collects immense amounts of data from its passengers. Many chinese government employees write dd in 2015.

Didi published a report saying that many chinese ministry employees were working overtime as they were hailing rights as late as 2am if they know which government agencies are working overtime. This could reveal that these agencies are preparing to rule out some new actions. This kind of speculation could undermine the confidentiality of their work in the ipo process. Dd executives could potentially divulge confidential information to foreign investors.

This is one reason why the crackdown coincided with the ipo. It wasn't just an arbitrary cash grab. It was a specific situation relevant to dd. The next issue is the crackdown on education stocks.

They lost almost all of their value, as the government announced that it would force them to turn into non-profits. This was obviously a disaster for anyone investing in these stocks, as tens of billions of dollars of value were wiped out overnight. This also compounded fears that the chinese communist party was not friendly to private enterprise, but you have to look beyond the alarmist headlines to see. What's actually going on, china's existing education system is basically a rat race where parents are obsessed with getting their kids into a top university.

They view this as the only way to be successful in life and gain respect within society. For-Profit education companies in china have been taking advantage of this for years by charging exorbitant prices for extracurricular tutoring. They use aggressive advertising to convince working-class families to spend thousands of dollars on private education. This is often money that they can't afford.

It's allowed companies like new oriental education to extract tens of billions of dollars worth of profits from the people without creating any real value. There's a limited number of spaces at the universities anyway, so that all these companies are doing is making the rat race more competitive. From an outside observer's perspective, the chinese government's crackdowns may seem chaotic and draconian, but they're, actually quite sensible, they're cracking down on dd to protect data, privacy and they're cracking down on the for-profit education industry to reduce the stress on students and the financial burden on parents. From an investing perspective, china is still investable, but you have to be careful right now.
The mainstream investor sentiment is at an all-time low, but it's not always the right decision to just follow the crowd. If you do, this you'll always be one step behind. For example, jim cramer told his viewers to buy as many dd shares as they could at the ipo, because the 60 billion valuation was reasonable. A few weeks later after dd tanked, he said you can't own chinese stocks.

All stocks have wide swings based on investor sentiment. If you always buy, when the sentiment is good and everyone is telling you to buy and sell, when sentiment is bad you'll always be buying high and selling low. This is exactly what kathy wood did in the beginning of 2021, as bill, huang was pumping up, the price of baidu sentiment was high and she increased her cost basis. By buying millions of shares.

When sentiment turns negative, she sells everything at a huge loss. There will always be ups and downs with chinese stocks. There is always risk and some of them will fail in the long run, but as an investor, you have to make your own decisions, look at what the company is worth and what the risks are. Regardless of what the stock price does in the short term, in our opinion, you should invest in innovative companies that create real value for the chinese economy.

There can always be bumps along the road, but in the long run these types of companies will thrive because they align with the government's long-term development goals. The for-profit education companies certainly did not fit this description and their investors paid the price. In our opinion, one of the most undervalued chinese stocks right now is the e-commerce giant alibaba. I personally have been building up a position in the stock over the past few weeks as its tanked, which i intend to hold for many years.

Nobody knows where the stock will trade over the coming weeks or months, but i think it could easily double over the next five years based on the fundamentals of the business, and it's not just me who thinks it's undervalued to take advantage of the depressed share price. Alibaba recently announced that they will repurchase 15 billion dollars of their own shares. This is the largest buyback in the company's history. Alibaba is the largest ecommerce player in china, with their alibaba.com wholesaling platform, as well as their more consumer-oriented websites, including tmall and taobao.
They have over 1 billion annual active customers, with 891 million being within china and 240 million being outside of china. That means more than 60 percent of the entire chinese population uses alibaba. They have achieved this market dominance by investing heavily in innovation. They have arguably the most sophisticated and advanced logistics network in the world, with autonomous robots, moving loads of up to 500 kilograms around their warehouses, they're expanding internationally and out competing amazon in many asian and european countries on top of ecommerce.

They also have a cloud computing division that generated 9 billion of revenue last year, it's similar to amazon's, aws, they're, constantly innovating and creating new businesses. For example, they launched the fully automated hema grocery store where you can purchase items by scanning their barcodes with your phone. We don't have time in this video to go over the entire ecosystem, but it is massive and continually expanding. All this innovation has resulted in one of the most impressive growth track records of any company in history.

Since 2010, their revenue has increased at a 45 compound annual growth rate and they made 23 billion dollars of net profit in the most recent fiscal year. Just looking at the fundamentals, it's an obvious buy after the recent pullback, the stock price is 196 dollars. A share. Giving them a 532 billion dollar market cap.

This gives them a 23 times price to earnings, multiple based on last year's earnings, but that includes their cloud and media businesses that are currently losing money. Those are valuable businesses that are still in hyper growth mode, they're losing money now, but will likely be very profitable at scale. If you strip out these losses from the businesses, you get a price earnings ratio of 19 times. Compare this to amazon, which has a price earnings ratio of 58 or almost three times alibaba.

This is despite the fact that arguably alibaba has a much greater growth outlook, as the chinese economy is growing much faster than the us based on their growth prospects. I think that alibaba could easily be worth one trillion dollars within the next five years, which would see the stock price double. Of course, there are risks with the stock, but as an investor, you have to weigh the possibilities of future outcomes and determine the future value and expectation. The main reason that alibaba has tanked so much recently is because of the chinese government's recent crackdowns in may.

They had to pay a 2.8 billion anti-trust fine and, in the future, they'll almost definitely have similar issues that they have to sort out with the regulators. But this is nothing unusual. All of the u.s tech giants have received regulatory scrutiny in the us and europe, with some of them being much more serious than anything alibaba is facing. In recent years, google has faced seven different major antitrust investigations with some of them still ongoing.
In one of these cases they had to pay five billion dollars to the european union, but nobody is saying that google stock is uninvestable because of these regulatory issues. In fact, google is one of the top seven stocks held by hedge funds. Every mega cap tech company will face scrutiny, but they're usually able to come up with a reasonable settlement to maintain their long-term growth story. In the case of alibaba, they are the backbone of chinese innovation and global competitiveness.

Their business model is aligned with the government's goals of increasing economic development and the quality of life for the people. There's no reason to believe that the government would stifle them to the extent that they can no longer innovate and grow. Alright guys that wraps it up for this video, what do you think about alibaba or chinese stocks in general? Let us know in the comments section below, if you enjoyed this content, make sure to hit the like button and subscribe. So you don't miss future uploads.

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28 thoughts on “Cathie wood dumps all chinese stocks, are they uninvestable?”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars nicolashrv says:

    Any stock is good to gamble your $$……problem is chinese stocks are much tied up to political decisions from the CCP, and not the market. That is beyond anyone's control and it cannot be foreseen, unless you have inside information right from the CCP itself..

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Daniel Wilson says:

    I make huge profits on my investment since i started
    trading with Cynthia Moran, her trading strategies are top notch

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars floxy20 says:

    You don't seem to get it. All Chinese stocks are subject to a unique set of negatives stemming from the totalitarian nature of the CCP. They are poisonous from the get go. One more web site to avoid.

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Fred M. says:

    Can I still invest in US stocks: yes.

    Can I do my research and decide which Chinese stocks to buy despite their president’s ability to say “alright wrap it up fellas, business is closed”: Yes I can, but I shouldn’t so I won’t, unless the money I’m investing is as good as I never had it e.g a birthday gift.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Robert G says:

    China is an adversary and a security risk of the United States and the west, they are reverting back to the days of Mao. We need to remove our dependence on China for semiconductor chips, that should be America's and the west's number 1 security consideration.

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars scifitoilet says:

    what a horrible take. China has been collecting data across ALL its apps, but only pumps the brakes on didi AFTER IPO??? the rat race for universities had been going on for decades and it only pumps the brakes now??? please dont delude yourself. Just because there is a good reason to crackdown doesnt mean their intentions are noble.

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Rio Riggs says:

    China is already the biggest economy in the world and the most innovative nation. The CCP is not trying to shut down DIDI. Cathie has zero credibility in my book. 100% of her picks are a disaster.

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Rio Riggs says:

    The way I see it, I will double my money with Chinese stock. Thanks to all the panic sellers, as usual, I couldn't do it without you.

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ja Nein says:

    Alibaba is a successful company. The point is, that the Chinese government ALLOWED Alibaba to be a successful company. You can´t compare Amazon to Alibaba because Amazon is a company located in America and Alibaba is located in China. The american government is bound by laws and norms, the chinese government isn´t. The chinese government could break up Alibaba to suit their political intentions. They could take Alibabas profit away. They could decide to never pay dividend. The American government want the tech giants to succeed and there's too much money going around in American politics to stop the giants. Alibaba is putty in the hands of the Chinese government.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Carlos Cardenas says:

    I don't trust American companies and their reports. as we know they can be falsified, even if they get caught later. SO, no way id trust a communist china company. no company in china is free even if they feel like they are. at a snap of a finger, anything can disappear in china. push of a button, they open a dam and wipe out a town. they control things to make it look like "natural disasters." the risk is higher. Good luck.

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Chuck Wu says:

    All the people that talks shit about China yet none have been to the country or spoken to any American that have been to China. Lol

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Hany Taifoor says:

    Where is Jack Ma, and how investing in china is safe! You presented your reasons for the crack down of several companies but it does not mean that this reasons are the real ones, if a Chinese officials would support your opinion then we would be more convinced. But for now it is better without Chinese stocks

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Juan Pablo Goyeneche says:

    I bought at 220 thinking it was cheap, I bought at 195 thinking it was a bargain, I bought at 175 thinking it was a lifetime opportunity, today it got to 160 and my cost average is 198, but thinking straight I think in the long term even with FUD and everythink it is much more probable for the stock to get to 220 rather than 100 ($60 up or down) I'm waiting for the stock to get to 150 to buy more. If people is so afraid of china? Why arent they selling companies like apple with huge market operations there? Lol

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Silver Surfer says:

    Great video and sound analysis. As in the USA, buying mega cap tech stocks means you have to believe the country will prosper over the long term. Avoiding politics and ideologies, people need to consider standard of living citizens of the PRC have been experiencing. If one thinks these people can continue to be productive, accumulate wealth and be relatively happy with their political system, then that means the PRC economy should grow with time. In turn market leaders will also experience growth. Is the American dream of retiring with security within reach for citizens of the PRC?

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars MacNcheeseBurger says:

    Spend a bit less time on Alibaba and a bit more on other stocks. Sounds like you want us to join in on your gamble.

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Chong He says:

    Wait, if Didi is a privacy concern, Baidu is not? How is private tutoring not producing values by helping the students learn and compete better? What is your logic here?

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mike says:

    Why risk it NOW with BABA stock? You can easily get it LATER. When the stock recovers back to 225-230 and then jump in. You value guys get too aggressive when you see a deal.

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Michael Hammond says:

    What you are missing is :The Chinese have looked at how Big tech now controls our government and political system and dont want that to happen to them

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars MarketOracleTV says:

    What would Maximus Decimus Meridius do? HE WOULD BUY ! All you lot need to grow a pair of investing balls instead of listening to Cathy Wood who will never grow a pair of balls! 🙂

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars MarketOracleTV says:

    Cathy Clueless fund manager Woods – Buys HIGH and Sells LOW, I sold when she was buying and now I am buying when she is selling, the difference between real analysts / investors and a funds sales person.

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars RL Real Estate | West Chester, PA says:

    The problem is just a complete lack of honesty. You can’t trust the earnings. Stock market investing is built on trust in accounting practices and you just can’t.

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars David Does says:

    So glad I dumped NIO when it was in the 50s and bought ILUS when it was in the .04s! For once, I dumped all my Chinese stocks before Cathie

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Prizax says:

    Imagine hating Chinise stocks while not realizing that most of US companies you invest in depend in China to success. 😂

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Md S says:

    Peter Lynch's 10 most dangerous investing myths-think # 4 and 5 are very applicable to Chinese stocks right now.

    4) "It's $3, how much can I lose?" If your neighbor buys $10,000 of a stock at $50 and the stock is now at $3…and you put $25,000 into that same stock at $3…if it goes to zero, who loses the most?

    5) "It's always darkest before the dawn" Buying a stock simply on the basis that it's "cheap", beaten down, or the sector is out of favor is a losing strategy. Sometimes it's always darkest before pitch black too.

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Moribund Murdoch says:

    I rather only invest in freer markets or trustworthy governments. That crackdown on tutoring just created a black market. A lot more people are going to be getting ""dance lessons"" where school subjects will be taught and whatnot.

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Alfa Eco says:

    Chinese stocks are not really listed in US stock exchanges, and if you buy in Chinese stock exchanges you may be unable to get the capital out of the country.

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Yespire says:

    Ask yourself:

    1. can you trust communist regime with your life's saving ~ if you open history book, it is pretty obvious ..
    2. are you okay with your invested stocks if they are indirectly helping nazi's making incinerator and surveillance technology
    3. are you okay with a piece of paper (VIE) from cayman island promise you a share of a Chinese company4. if shit happens, can you fly to cayman island/China to investigate or initiate legal actions

    China is basically a big sized prison camp, all companies doing business in China is maintaining and upkeep the system

  28. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars sha add says:

    Best video I've seen from WSM. Being rationale, demonstrating ingenuity, and challenging thr mainstream opinions..china I'd going to be a long term winner and economical juggernaut and you can wait Till everything is perfect. Us has currency risk and economical stagnation. Say whatever you want but china Is cheap

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