What happens if hedgies cant pay? What if citadel gets liquidated, who will foot the bill? The DTCC insurance policy? Other banks? Will the SEC let them off free and we wont get our tendies?
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In this video I explain exactly how a long and short trade works, and how this means that we are largely fine. As citadel continue to average up, their short liquidation point will increase, when AMC hits that short liquidation point, the money is already in the trade to pay us.
However, if the price of the AMC stock jumps over their liquidation point then we might be in trouble, as Citadel wont have enough money in the trade to pay us, and it will have to be covered by the DTCC/Other banks... or they allow citadel to pay the reduced price and we get 75% of our tendies, or 50%, or maybe 20% of our tendies.
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Welcome back to the channel everyone today, i want to talk about what happens if the hedges can't pay, for example, what happens if citadel get liquidated and they go under? They go belly up who's going to pay for our shares. Some people have been suggesting. There's a dtcc insurance policy or dtcc themselves will foot the bill or maybe the loss will be spread around all of the different banks across the us. But other people have speculated that.

Maybe the dtcc will end up siding with citadel and will bail them out and not pay us a penny and never buy back our shares or somehow force us to give back our shares and won't pay us for them. But i think a lot of people don't quite exactly understand how a short position works and how a liquidation works. So today i want to break down all of that and explain it for you very, very simply, but guys before i dive into the video. I just want to give a massive shout out to the 3 800 of you that have currently ding that notification bell, because you guys are always the first to watch a new video as soon as it's released so guys be sure to drop a like down below Subscribe to the channel and ding that notification bell, if you haven't already so that you don't miss another video, just like this one and guys if you haven't already be sure to check out the links in the description below to get four free shares with moomi worth Up to 3 350, also once you've signed up with moomoo, be sure to follow me on the platform, because they've got a whole social network inside the app, and now i want to dive straight in with the key information.

So, to start with, i want to explain how exactly a long position works when you trade on margin, so, let's say you're buying a hundred dollars worth of stock on a two to one margin. That means that you're going to be putting in fifty dollars into that trade and the margin provider or your trading platform is going to be providing the other fifty dollars and therefore you've got a hundred dollars in that trade. If the trade goes against, you and the value of your shares falls to fifty dollars. You get liquidated because the trading platform takes back their fifty dollars and leaves you with nothing, because obviously the trading platform doesn't want to lose any of their own money.

Okay, so that's a long position, but how exactly does it work with a short position again if you're shorting a hundred dollars worth of stock, you put in the fifty dollars on a two to one margin and the margin provider or your trading platform provides the other? Fifty dollars, but so with a short position, you're selling, to open so with a long position. Your hundred dollars disappears and you buy a hundred dollars worth of stock. You exchange it but with a short position, you're selling to open, so you sell shares for a hundred dollars and you put your own initial hundred dollars into the trade as well, so technically, there's two hundred dollars in the trade. So obviously, when you short a stock, you don't immediately get an extra hundred dollars into your account.
You put your fifty dollars and fifty dollars on margin into the trade and then obviously you sell to open. So it creates a second hundred dollars because you've sold the shares. Therefore there's two hundred dollars in the trade. So let's say your hundred dollar short position moves in your favor for the eagle eyed amongst you.

You will notice that i did just update this figure because i realized i had an error in my workings. At least i realized now rather than later, but so your 100 position moves in your favor and the stock falls all the way from 100. A share down to zero dollars a share so therefore, of the 200 that was in the trade zero dollars is used to buy back the stock. Let's say the company went bankrupt.

Fifty dollars is returned to the margin lender and then 150 dollars is returned to you, because you effectively made 100 profit on the trade as the stock decreased from 100 a share to zero dollars a share, but because you're on a two to one margin. It's effectively a two hundred percent profit, because your initial investment went from fifty dollars to a hundred and fifty dollars. But what happens if that position moves against you you're, a hundred dollar initial investment of a hundred dollars, a share turns into a hundred and fifty dollars per share, and therefore you've got a fifty percent loss or because you're trading on a two to one margin. You've.

Actually got a hundred percent loss so of that two hundred dollars, that's initially in the trade 150, is used to buy the stock back 50 goes back to the margin owner because they don't want to lose any of their money and you get zero dollars because your Position has been liquidated, so how exactly does this work without the margin and how exactly does it work using citadel as the example? Well, let's say that citadel short one share of amc at fifty dollars per share. Therefore, they've got the fifty dollars that they put into the trades and they've sold to open, so they've sold the share of amc for fifty dollars, meaning there's effectively a hundred dollars in the trade. Let's say, amc runs up to a hundred dollars. Therefore, citadel get liquidated because they need to use that hundred dollars to buy back the one share and therefore there's zero dollars left over for citadel.

Therefore, position liquidation. Now, obviously, it's not quite this simple, because citadel can continually average up their short position. Yes, citadel may have started their amc short position at two dollars a share and therefore should have been liquidated at four dollars a share, but because they continued averaging up it effectively continued increasing their liquidation point. So therefore, maybe they started shorting amc at fifty dollars.

A share but as it starts approaching a hundred dollars, they can continue averaging up and maybe they've averaged up their short position to 75 a share. So therefore, that's the same as citadel opening a short position at 75: a share, meaning they put 75 into the trade. They then sell that share to open meaning they sell for the additional 75 dollars making 150 in the trade therefore increases citadel's liquidation point to 150 per amc share. Now what happens when amc runs up to 150? Obviously, citadel get liquidated and that 150 that's in the trade, is used to buy back those shares and cover their short position.
So therefore, at this point the dtcc aren't even getting involved. It's solely citadel's position in the trade which is used to buy back the shares. So, let's put it into a real world example. As of may citadel's short position was around 57.5 billion dollars.

Obviously, it's not quite that simple, because their short position is made largely from call and put options, but let's just imagine it in a really simple way as if it was purely a short position. So they've started their short position with 57.5 billion dollars and they've sold stock to open, meaning they've sold 57.5 billion dollars and they've got their 57.5 billion dollars in. So that's a hundred and fifteen billion dollars, i think, of their total short position now. Obviously, it's not quite that clear cut, because 115 billion dollars is way more than that amc float and the reason their short position is so high is because their short position is made primarily from put options which are obviously just a collection of 100 shares or the Contract and the rights to buy or sell 100 shares so therefore, when the total value of their position moves against them by 115 billion dollars, the entire position is liquidated and the 57.5 billion that they got from selling the shares and the 57.5 billion they put into The trade is used to pay back us amc shareholders.

So therefore providing amc increases slowly from 100 to 105, 110, 140, 145 and then 150. At that 150 point, when they get liquidated, every single penny that they've got in the trade will be used to pay off us the amc shareholders, but where the problem arises, is what happens if the amc share price skips 150? What happens if the emg share price is running up to 130 140 and then there's a trading hall, a market hall and then when amc opens up, it opens back up at say, 180 or 200, just because there's so much momentum behind the amc stock. Maybe another hedge fund got liquidated and therefore they had to buy back pretty much the entire order book every single order, all the way from 140, 150. 60.

70. 80. 90, all the way to 200. What happens then, now again, this is where the problem arises.

Citadel have got that 75 dollars from earlier that they put into the short trade. They then sold shares to open, meaning they've sold 75 dollars worth of shares and they've got that initial 75 in the trade as well, meaning they've got 150 in the trade. So what happens when the share price runs up to 200 per amc share? Well, obviously, they use the 150 that they've got in the trade to pay off three quarters of our share, leaving them with zero dollars left. But obviously that only covers three quarters of their position.
If we place a sell order to sell amc at 200, they can only buy it back for 150, meaning there's fifty dollars unpaid. Now this is effectively the risky part when the deal goes bankrupt and belly up. This is how we might not actually get paid, because citadel can only afford three quarters of their trade of that position of our sell order. So this is where the dtcc needs to step in and either the dtcc covers that 50 unpaid amount themselves, or they split that fifty dollars between the rest of the u.s banks.

Now this is where dtcc 2021.010 comes into place. Obviously, you've got their sfts and the security financing transactions, so citadel can sell some of their other long positions to cover that 50 unpaid amount. But again what happens if their entire portfolio is liquidated? This is where that 50 unpaid amount is shared between all of the members in the dtcc or all of the members in the sfts. That 50 is shared between all of the u.s banks, but i guess it also depends on whether the dtcc or the sec intervene and make sure that the other u.s banks do actually spread this liability themselves properly or whether somehow the dtcc or the sec bails.

The banks out or even potentially decides not to cover that fifty dollars and just says to us. Well, tough, you got 150, that's close enough now! This is the part that's uncertain. We know said that they are good for most of the position. We know that they can afford to buy back most of our shares, because they've had to put in their own money into the short position at the start, to open the short position and also they would have sold those shares to us, thereby creating effectively double the Amount that they put into the trade, but obviously if amc, runs up so fast and actually jumps over their liquidation point and carries on going before they get liquidated.

That's when there's going to be an unpaid amount that might not be covered. I guess it very heavily depends on what their liquidation point is and how fast the amc stock runs up. For example, if citadel's liquidation point is at 100 or 150 and we start creeping up to that amount. If we hit a hundred dollars dead on and they get liquidated, then every single share will be paid for, but obviously, if it jumps massively over that point - and it suddenly just disappears from a hundred dollars a share and opens back up at five hundred dollars.

A share or a thousand dollars a share: that's when the big problems are going to arise, and this is where the problems arise, because, even though they've got double the amount of their position in the trade, if the amc stock price massively jumps over their liquidation point, They won't be able to afford all of the shares and might not even be able to afford, say 75 or 85 percent of the share. They might only be able to afford, say 10 or 20 of the share. Therefore, if we're trying to place a sell order for a thousand dollars a share and they do get liquidated, they again might only be able to pay 150 of that thousand dollars a share. Therefore, the other 850 dollars will have to be spread between all of the dtcc members.
Hopefully that helps explain exactly how a short position works hopefully explains how to some extent, citadel will be able to buy back our shares, providing that amc price increases somewhat slowly and doesn't massively jump over their liquidation point guys be sure to. Let me know down in the comments below what you think is going to happen to the amc share price. Do you think it'll increase slowly enough for citadel to be able to buy back all of our shares, or do you think it's going to be massively out of control and do you think the sec and the dtcc are going to have to stump up a lot Of cash in order to cover these liquidations and as always guys if you enjoyed this video, be sure to check out some of my others. Alternatively, subscribe to the channel and ding that notification bell, because that way, you'll be alerted when i upload a new video cheers.


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26 thoughts on “Amc: πŸ”₯ what happens when citadel go bankrupt?! πŸ”₯ – amc stock short squeeze update”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars First Light says:

    Let's see how NESARA works and see if you really can't hide from paying your bills by hiding your billions. If what I heard about it is real or not. Me? I don't think that it exists and I don't think that they'll use it on them which makes the QFS corrupted also. I read that it was used for some L.E. activity on smuggling and dealers si I'm sure it could be used on Wall Street as well , only if that's how the design works the way it's supposed to. Also, I'm not an expert just some DD I've been doing for the past 5 yrs. off and on.

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars illanoize Gaming says:

    Bruh this is shit DD. What happens is when the HFS go bankrupt then next player to take over is the MM and prime brokers and once they take over that’s when the HFS no is in control and now they in the process of being liquidated. That’s when it’s you against yourself because now it’s your price. These AMC securities, even the synthetics, are federally backed securities. You will get paid but you as a seller have to decide based on volume when to sell and don’t sell at some shitty price remember you got what they want and NEED. After the dust settles you need to file a 13H with SEC because you have 10 from the day of sale. This is not financial advice I’m just an ape that eats glue and shoved crayons up my nose.

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Myst Silver says:

    I pulled this information from the Fintel website just to let everyone know that Citadel has more than 5 million short positions on AMC. as of September 1st, they have to pay a $250,000 cash margin deposit on each one. this is why they are fighting it so hard.

    "5,676,200 put options valued at $57,954,000 USD"

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Bluegrass Crazy says:

    AGAIN THIS IS FUD, ALL MATTERS MUST BE SETTLED, WHATEVER THE SHARE PRICE GOES TO ALL MATTERS MUST BE SETTLED. AGAIN PERIOD!!!!

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Duncan Mac says:

    They can't cover. They would have by now. At some prices AMC would equal the GDP of the USA. No, the entire US system is about to implode from rampant systemic corruption and fraud and total lack of confidence. Sept 15.

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Enzo says:

    So you're saying that if it goes over a few hundred dollars and Citadel can't afford to pay us, then the DTCC members could possibly tell us to screw off and not pay us?

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Robert says:

    I'm holding my AMC stock and no "breaking news" FUD will get me to sell. We are an army and all have Diamond hands. I'm sick of the market manipulation by the hedge funds and whales. It's past due time to teach those greedy b's a lesson.

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Peter D'Angelo says:

    Hedge funds come and go, after all their money comes from sophisticated investors. They only need to be right 51% of the time to be profitable. If you have your money in AMC, you have to be right 100% of the time. If they’re short from $10, they’re probably short from $60 as well. AMC has Falling attendance, crushing debt load, rising expenses and studios releasing direct to consumer. The odds aren’t in your favor.

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Warren Mccowan says:

    I think it will start increasing in $100 increments, going down likewise. Panic selling will cause this. But there's so many shares that need to be bought back i think it'll start increasing in $1000 increments the next week. Following this suit for 3-4 weeks topping off around 5k.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tyler Wright says:

    hi, new viewer here. Would you do a video on the MMAT short issue ? From what I understand there is $400,000,000 in shorted shares and there are failure to deliver issues. This is very complicated to me. I don't understand how after the TRCH/MMATF merger, the shorts were allowed to carry their short positions into MMTF (result of the merger) and how their naked positions have not been forced to cover.

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Frank Annis says:

    I don't know if all of the hedges have confessed their sins but I wouldn't want to be in their shoes on judgement day.

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Cajun Controller says:

    Don’t forget if they go bankrupt or get liquidated ALL of their assets get sold/liquidated to cover any and all debts not just their short AMC/GME positions

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Timothy Pope says:

    Great video brother- I want my lemon peppered chicken tendies! Massively out
    Of control there are too many synthetic shares in my honest opinion! That is because nobody stepped in early and stopped them from continuing to naked short.

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Timothy Pope says:

    The Citidel deserves to be bankrupted because of their corruption. The whole company is corrupt not just management, people know what they are doing and turning a blind eye to means they are core too. That means you are an accessory to the crimes. If you know something they are doing, turn whistleblower and stop them from stealing from retail public. They are stealing from you and I, your family and friends. Do the right thing and you will be paid for telling the truth

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Egg Boy says:

    Your question made me laugh. Will the share price rise slowly so that Citadel can buy back all our shares? What planet do you live on? Our brokerage apps don't HAVE a sell button for AMC. The button only appears at 500K. I thought they told you.

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Don T. RipfΓΌller says:

    however … in the event that the share price we see has been manipulated with illegally created phantom shares, and buy orders being rerouted , with held and so on to hide the real amount of money the share is worth, and taking this so far that the actual value per share is higher than what most small minded commoners can concxieve, then citidel holds their squeeze, pays out the actual value to people having accepted the false value thereby satisfying them there was a squeeze while not actually incurring the total loss of a real squeeze…
    …3 demon sional chess y'all…
    … theres just one big hairy precious gem pawed kink to the devil's deception…
    …good lord no! not that , what's wrong with you?! Jesus that doesn't even make sense …. πŸ€¨πŸ€¦πŸΌβ€β™‚οΈ
    πŸ€”πŸŒ

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars will geo says:

    Not looking good for those Apes that were hoping for 10k per share….they may be let down when they get 100 per share

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Real Talk says:

    I have amc stock but I'm not STUPID enough to think a hedge fund will ever go bankrupt. Govt will bail them out or impatient paper hands will sell off long before they ever go bankrupt. Felt my IQ lower just considering that will ever happen

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Riverside Choosing Living Over Existing says:

    IT does not matter the rate of increase. The higher, the faster the better. Unless there is a HUGE CHEQUE to be covered the interest in what happens will be insignificant. LET IT RIP HIGHER~

    @Anthony2021mdh30Vibes

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Anthony Strong says:

    Ridiculous Question. YOU PAY. AMERICANS PAYS. BAILOUTS PAY. There will be compromises and you need to accept the price per share they are WILLING TO PAY YOU. THE YAMAKAKAS, EGGROLLS AND DEVILS PROTECT THEMSELVES AND HATE YOU. You get the crumbs and better be happy about it.

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars DustOvisioN says:

    75 Billion his estimate, Citadel is a 295 Billion dollar hedge fund. They are over "24 other hedge funds" also Shorting.. GG My ApeS

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Herman Hinks says:

    You only speak of citadel and the hedge funds theirs so many other companies shorting AMC blackrock is a start for you cover all not what you want or stop talking AMC & GME no one know how this will go .

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Sven L says:

    Errrm…but…if I sell for 200 I want my 200? No cash no stock? That part I don't get
    Edit:
    Correct me if I'm wrong:
    The margin call comes when price exceeds their cash that they put into the position? With cfds (@my broker) I believe it starts@ around 80% loss. If it reaches 100% position is closed. So far so good..but how are they gonna buy a share if no one is selling ( sure there are paperhands) but there at least like 100m on loan.. so got me thinking: the losing party is gonna be the ones over leveraged…and then the lenders? Coz no share is returned? I'm a bit confused about what you said about the price 200 margin 150 50 loss part. If I sell for 200… AFAIK I get my $? Or am I missing something here?

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Dean Scott says:

    Thomas, I must say, I'm glad I was recommended your channel, your analysis has helped me learn, and understand more

    I have been dealing fir several years but your approach is very helpful

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  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ean Gucci says:

    Thanks for the videos.
    Citadel got huge capital and managed assets. 250B ?
    What would be the liquidation level for them ? Assuming citadel has to cover only 300M shares.
    Cheers.

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Levi O'Rourke says:

    I’ve heard you speak for moomoo over webull. I’m closing my Robinhood, an I’m moving funds into both. Which is the simpler one to learn to operate as I get better at setting up charts or anything else on it. Markets I know and understand, the tech stuff is still the hardest skill for me to pick up with efficiency. So the simpler one to operate will most likely be where I put most of these funds. Any pointers would be helpful. After these moving up to fidelity!

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