Hey welcome back to the podcast. I am so excited pam you're on the clock. We got an hour. I want to talk about anti-aging.

I want to talk about covid. I want to talk about lessons. I want to talk about people that you're coaching and working with. I want to talk about the vaccine.

I want to talk about anti-aging. I think it may have said that twice. Obviously, maybe i should talk about memory, but, ladies and gentlemen, if you've not met pam jacobson, this is like. Is this your third time in the show? I think so i think it is third time second, second time friend over there like yeah, okay, we're definitely gon na have recordings together, though i'm gon na have to add, get more more memory on my list of things to do so.

For for my friends out there watching uh, you know the back story. Uh, my wife calls me and says i have cancer and god bless her she's beaten it twice and she said i need to find somebody that can help me in an alternative way, but also understands like the holistic side, but also like actually worked as someone in The cancer world and i'm totally botching the way i'm describing this but you've, been a godsend right, not just for my wife, which means for myself and my family, but also like everyone that loves her, but also now for, like thousands of clients that you have helped And touched - and you know, informed and got people on a path towards great health and vitality. So thank you for being here and can i'll say it because you just got your second vaccine yesterday. So we're going to talk about that, but pam for the person.

That is listening. Maybe the first time who is pam jacobson, give a little snapshot as to why i'm so excited to talk to you about all these issues. Okay, well, my passion as tom has so eloquently described. It already is helping other people just to have their perfect health, their best health, their best possible health, and i'm especially focused on that this year with the pandemic and everything going on um and but it didn't really start out that way.

I was in conventional medicine. I was in the field of oncology, the care of people with cancer, and i had my own health issues during that kind of stressful time in my life, and that led me down a different path in terms of health and i ended up getting a master's degree. In chinese medicine and practicing chinese medicine and then went on to study, functional medicine and that's functional, integrative medicine. Looking at how do we restore function and that's where sort of anti-aging and all that will come in we'll talk about that in a little bit, but over the last 25 years? That's what i focused my practice on is working with individuals to figure out how to create an optimal health baseline and where functionally things have already broken down.

And what can we do about it before? They would need me on the conventional side, because they've got cancer right because there's you don't wake up one day with a disease it takes decades to to occur, compounding there's so much that we can do on the way there to prevent that from happening. So that's really what i'm passionate about. So maybe someone listening right now is 25 and they're like what and then maybe somebody's you know close to our age and we we can remember like when you would talk about this stuff and they'd, be like. Oh, that's: alternative medicine or that's holistic, medicine or okay, she's gon na take herbs and shove him in my ear and i'm gon na light a candle when, when did this become so like, i'm listening to a joe rogan podcast and he's talking like everybody, i know And respect is talking about things that we can do to supplement slow down, aging, improve digestion, sleep, better, improve everything, and yet so many people still look at it like.

Oh that's, just woo, i'm just going to go to my doctor. Give me a pill and call it a day when did this become more mainstream uh? You know it's been. It's been happening for a long time, but i would say, probably really the last decade, or so, probably more so, with the demand of physicians mds in particular sure that got to a point where there has to be something better than this right. I'm trying to patch people back together after they've fallen apart.

Yes, what happened to the front end of this where's my help right right, cause and effect we're only dealing with the effect and never looking at the cost and as an md, i'm not given even the ability, time, wise or anything to to deal with that right. I've got five ten minutes with you as my patient. I'm not gon na talk to you about diet and exercise and all the things that could have prevented where you are all i can do now is give you a pill or a surgical procedure to fix it right. It usually doesn't fix it, maybe just patch it up and send you on your way.

So you know, i think there was a lot of demand out there, that there has to be something more than this, and it's really it's been the last decade because i was already practicing chinese medicine going wait a minute. This still isn't big enough. For me, i need a bigger toolbox than this and um the institute for functional medicine and the metabolic medical institute, and these organizations were starting to get. You know to a place where they were being accredited and vetted and understood by places like stanford and gw, and all these now, when, when a physician goes through a program like that, this, it really is a fellowship.

A true certified. You know fellowship for an md to take, but i'm not an md, but licensed professionals in other areas could do these fellowships as well. So i would say over the last decade, but you can look back in the 1800s and see articles written about many of the things that are now just getting some press. I think the mainstream doesn't hear about it, because where are you going to hear it unless you're listening to joe rogan's, podcast or ben greenfield? Or one of these other exactly you know biohackers that are out there? Tim ferriss yeah yeah you're not going to learn about it in where the community, your school, your churches, your families, the places where we learn it's not out there yeah, we still go to the doctor and a lot of them know about it.

They don't have time to talk to you about that. Your insurance isn't going to pay for that conversation yeah. I was just going to say and that's a whole other like we could. I mean we can go to the whole history of like friends of mines that are doctors that are like.

Oh fairy, you understand like i can't i don't have time. I have to do 38 surgeries this week and i'm like 38 they're like yeah. By the way i make like 75 less compared to what i used to make because of insurance. But that's you know, sorry, that's not bananas.

Let's move on all right pam only for the people that are watching saw the visual that i just threw up there. So so i want to ask you this: you you've now done both, so i want to integrate both vaccine, but i really want to go lessons. You learned right from covid through the pandemic, we're at like day 3 30 in california, since we were hey we're gon na take two weeks. You're gon na go home, it's gon na be fine.

Get pizza hang out. Well here we are it's a little beyond that. What are some of the big takeaways for you like? What did you learn? What did you observe? What did you watch the people that you've coached? How have you helped people navigate all this yeah? I think, first and foremost, i had to really look at what was happening to myself in that process. Right i was like everyone else.

I got in a car. Every day i drove to an office. I physically saw patients. I went from room to room.

I did all these things and then in march of 2020, that was done just like everyone else right. So now, i'm home i'm sitting i can eat whatever i want. Whenever i want. If it's in my house yeah right, i can my whole routine shifted upside down.

Just in i think what i saw in my patients was many of them, especially new ones that were just coming to me. Didn't have a routine to begin with. That was healthy. Now they took a really crap routine, and now it was really bad.

Now we're sitting all day in front of our computer right. We have no transition from work life to home life. Now it's all just work right, there's no transition anymore right! We have the laptop at the dinner table, trying to finish up what we need to do and all of our routines are disturbed. So sleep goes out.

The window stress it's like stress response management. I had less time working at home than i ever had working in my office less time yeah, because now i didn't have those natural transitions right, the ride home to listen to the podcast, the time in the garage to take deep breaths before i went in the House and face the onslaught of everything i had to do there. All of that went away. It was me the chair, the computer yeah and the pantry whispering my name.

Oh my gosh. This is like the best ever. That means there's some cheetos in here. I don't think there was probably cheetos and you mean you know like somebody listening is like.

Oh, my god, there was beer there and it was two o'clock why not and people are like pam has yeah. I have chocolate in my pantry, yes right, so yes, so i first had to really examine. I think what was happening for myself, yes and and and see how that would be greatly magnified in my patients, and i think the effort to have a routine became just that much more of an effort than it ever really had been right. And i had to change what i was doing with the work i was doing with my clients.

To that point, i was mostly assessing running tasks, helping people figure out what was wrong, giving them a plan sending them away to do the plan on their own and that absolutely was not working at all. This was about how do we implement now? How do you transition from a morning routine to the work day? How do you transition from the work day to the evening routine? How do you transition from the evening routine to bedtime? There has to be transitions, especially when you're doing all of those things in the same 1500, 2000 square foot, space right right, you didn't get in your car all day. You never got out of your bunny slippers. You didn't.

I have what i call zoom hair at home. In case i don't take a shower i could put on my zoom hair. I mean it's crazy, yeah right, yeah, yeah, so um. I think for me.

That was you know it affected me the same as it did. Everyone else everything that i knew to be my normal yeah was no longer yeah had to create a new normal. I love how you answered the question, because i was curious about the lessons and you you started with well here's what i got yeah and you are like super fit crazy. You know just you you're so on it with all of your disciplines, so i really appreciate that answer so so the big thing is transitions transitions.

So what do you recommend? I mean there's a there's, a pretty good chance, someone's listening right now that um, you know their their broker or their boss has called and said yeah. You know what we got rid of the office space: we're just going to go remote forever, because this is kind of working and they're like sitting at their kitchen table going uh. Maybe i should have bought a bigger house right or right. Maybe i need another office.

What did you recommend, or what did you do? What did you know? What did you do to start making these natural transitions? Because that's a that's a great insight yeah, i i feel like because what it is is really a transition for the nervous system right, we're sort of priming the nervous system to understand that we're now moving from the waking morning, routine. You know which to me the morning routine, should be all about preparing you for what the day is going to bring. Yes, okay, so for me that happens in the confines of my room where nobody has access to me. The dog can't bother me.

Nobody gets to have me do something else for them it's in my space, that's where i'm gon na plan my day, it's where i'm going to do my meditation, my deep breathing, but when the work environment is literally feet outside the door, and you can hear the Ding ding ding on the computer. It was very easy to say: oh i'll, just go check and see who that was, and then it's oh, i have to sit down and answer and then pretty soon you've done none of it right. So the training none of it as in the workout, the breathing, the meditation, the gratitude, the exercise, no time yeah. Now without the truth, so the transition really is um, anything that that involves the the deep breathing the resetting of the nervous system.

So it can be a little restorative yoga. It can be meditation, it can be three deep breaths and sit down and write a few things that i'm grateful for, or do some visualization, i'm really big on visualization at the moment, because that's another thing that is easy to slip away and you lose your vision And i'll talk in a little bit about what i think the bigger issues are with covenant and that ain't the virus it's going to be the fallout after the ptsd of this is, is i'm getting depressed? Let's just talk about it. Let's go! I'm looking at my team like can you relate to what you're saying right now, like i mean you know, yeah living at home like with friends, yeah right, yeah right, so so it's very it's very real um. So so, let's talk about it ptsd or maybe i'm putting words in your mouth.

What do you think is going to be the fall out of all this? Well, i pt you can call it. Ptsd is a good term. Post-Traumatic stress this has been a trauma that the whole world has had to endure for this period of time. It's affected all of us on different levels, but that's not something that just goes away because the world becomes vaccinated or somehow kova just sort of falls into the background.

Eventually, it is the fallout from that's going to be things like depression and um uh. I think depression, probably being one of the most severe but drugs anxiety syndrome. I know i and i'm not going to say names, but i know a person that has not left their apartment in in new jersey and new york since march. Right not left their apartment right like how is that person going to transition into like into reality right, and you know, there's like two camps, there's like the people that are like uh whatever who cares like no mouse? We don't we don't and then there's the other camp.

That's like frightened to death and i don't see a lot of people in the middle right right. I think there's just kind of those two. Maybe there's three. I don't know you know better, but how are those people that are so deathly afraid? How do you see them transitioning back like what, if someone's listening to this right now and they're like? Oh, my god, that's my aunt sue.

What can this listener tell aunt sue or work with aunt sue on to help her yeah? I think again, first of all to have the awareness, because i think somebody who's had themselves locked up since march loses that awareness, and so it's having an awareness that this is ultimately going to be a really challenging transition for them. The world is going to come back to a place where we all are going to go out and be social again, you're going to be able to go, enjoy dinner at a restaurant. In fact, you can do that in most places. Now - and you know you can put on a mask and go out and so it's beginning to take those small steps to reincorporate yourself.

Maybe you start with a phone conversation with all of your friends and checking in and then then it's maybe a zoom call and then you actually go meet in a park where you can be socially distanced but you're starting to get back out in society. But i think the transitions that we talked about earlier are important. You start in your own home in the day and start to break it down. So you have a morning routine, a work day an evening routine, a sleep routine, because if you don't recognize yourself in that space, you're going to have a really hard time getting out of that space and back into the social routines and environment that we had before.

I was listening to a podcast a couple of weeks ago and the scientist who's really concerned about the amount of depression that we're going to see post covet was talking about a study that was done. He called it the caged chicken study, and they had done this study where they put chickens in these small cages and they left them in there for six months. They didn't get to come out. They.

They then transported these cages out into this beautiful pasture and they opened the doors and they expected the chickens just run out and be gone forever and they stepped outside their cage for like 30 seconds and went back in and he you know he was talking about How this applies really to humans? It's all of us that have been so concerned about. You know the possibility of getting cova that we've stayed in and and just cut off all of our social interaction right. That will have a difficult time making that transition back and that isolation and that loneliness, and so i i think, that's one of the bigger issues that we're going to see post code. But the other thing is the level of anxiety and stress and the fact that we're doing less now than we ever have to manage that response.

I think we're going to see a surge in cancer diagnoses and a lot of these diseases that have sort of an underlying baseline stress component to them. Yeah, i just the misinformation in the early days right like just you know, i don't think anybody was like trying to scare people, but i remember like walking to my office and seeing people wearing masks and thinking to myself. I don't have enough information to know but, like maybe they read something, maybe and then, like. I remember weeks afterwards, afraid to open a door yeah, because what? If somebody else with covet touch and like i'm thinking to myself? Okay, i'm not being rational right now like this is insane yeah like the misinformation and then the people that i don't say bought into it, but really accepted it as as true.

How were they going to cycle? I i i don't know if, like your advice around like compartmentalizing and trying a couple little things at once, i don't know pam, like i'm yeah. I know it's a tough concert. I think it's gon na be we're going to look back a decade from now and i think we're going to look at kids that were in school during this time. Kids that got out of college it'll.

Look a lot like, in my opinion, people that got out of college in 2008 in 2009 and they came into zero workplace, went home, moved in with their parents, smoke weed and became real estate. Agents like like it's gon na, be one it's all kidding aside. You know what i'm saying right but like there was ptsd post, an economic meltdown right. This has been two years of misinformation.

Confusion - and still is i mean, there's still so much that we don't know that we don't understand that that there hasn't even been the time to study. Someone asked me the other day. Why would you get the vaccine if right, they can't guarantee that um that it's going to protect you or they can't guarantee that you still can't spread it yeah and - and i you know, because that's not information that we're looking at right now we're just looking to See how effective is the vaccine against it right right and so it you know, i think part of it is you you have to take the initiative to be in as informed as you possibly can be to me. That means to listen to and look at what researchers are saying and doing not the politics of it, and you know that's where we can really get kind of led astray, but uh, but but i i think that so don't get your news from facebook.

Is that what is that? What i'm hearing? Okay, just just checking, i wouldn't even get my news from the news. Unfortunately, i don't even get your news from the news yeah i pretty much just go straight to the to the researchers but uh, but again i i think we have to start with ourselves right and look at what were we doing before if you're, if things were Good for you, what were you doing before that was working yeah and recognize that you're not doing that now, because you've gotten off track in some way. So how do you reimplement those things for those of you where nothing was working before that? It's actually probably not a bad time. Many of us are still at home.

Maybe we have a little bit more control over our schedule to start to build that transitional, routine right that that and we've talked about this on other things - i mean it's not rocket, science. It's really pretty basic right optimize. Your sleep there's ways to track that. There's things you can do for that in the morning.

You know: do your meditation, do your gratitude get your day set up right, get your head on straight then. Do your work right right and then end your work. This is probably the biggest thing in coaching, because this is exactly with all the people. You're working with these hard charging, crazy, successful, real estate people and they're like the day never ends yeah.

It's 11 o'clock. They're doing searches for clients, they're, negotiating they're, sending emails back and forth right like help and - and i i get it i understand - that's that's a challenge right. I'm trying to buy a house right now and, and my you may have just told the wrong people on a podcast everyone's going to now search you out and find you it's not an easy thing. If you're a buyer, i saw the line.

Don't worry about your buyers, get listings, i'm like no, i'm a buyer, damn it, but you know i'll get up in the morning and have five texts that came in like after midnight of places. I need to go see so i get it. But but it's a it's a it's an issue right, it's gon na be one of those things that does make your transition back very difficult. There has to be a beginning and ending time to the workday yeah, and i find for me personally.

That's been more of a challenge during this situation. I think for real estate agents has probably always been a challenge, but what it does is it primes the nervous system to just be in constant stress mode or constant activity mode, yes, um, and that wears down function? I mean we can talk about anti-aging all day long, but these are the people none of that stuff's, going to help if you're going to waste your money on all of it, if you're not doing the basic stuff right, so transition use meditation, use deep, breathing use. Intentional walking whatever it takes to transition from morning to work to done with work now it's the evening and then to bed. Yes, so i'm going to make a public service announcement.

I am a dumb ass when it comes to all of this stuff right. What i am is i'm super coachable right, so i find people i have faith in and i'm like, okay, i'm going to do it and the reason why i say that is. I want to talk to you about, like you, said, breathing, i'm obsessed right now with the wim hof 11 minute. You know on youtube for free tristan, and i have done it.

Tristan was like he did it one time with me. He was like okay. I wan na, like i wan na, start, editing everything right now in real time like it's, it's electrifying and all we're talking about is breathing breathing. What are your thoughts on that? I mean i'm sure you've seen all the wim hof work he's the ice.

Man he's super crazy and - and i know he's just he's talking about yoga stuff he's talking about you know it's not like he didn't own it all right. What are your thoughts right? It's it's one of the the most basic important elements of just human existence is oxygenation of the body right and because we spend so much time in that stress response. So, oh my god right right, and so what he really teaches or emphasizes is the proper breathing and puts you in environments that force that to happen. He puts you in a stressful environment, but teaches you how it's really basically stress response management? How do we go into a freezing, cold environment and not completely lose our mind in that? How do you? Because if you can manage a stress response in that environment, you can do it anywhere right.

So um, it's it's super critical, but you don't have to go into the freezing cold to do it right now. You can it's it's a deep breath into the into the belly, tells the nervous system that you're not in danger. It's the only signal to the nervous system: you're not going to die any second right right, but we shallow breathe all day long because we're in a hurry and we're stressed the nervous system. Remember my passport, i said: there's two modes: death and vacation.

Yes, you do! The math right so we're in death most of the time. So, unless you take a deep breath, the nervous system is like: hey man, she's dying, we got ta pump out the stress hormone, you know get the cortisol going. So it's he teaches uh. His methods are about instilling in a way that becomes second nature for you to breathe right again, yes, deep into the valley right, it is so if you haven't checked it out, you guys should check it out.

Just google or just go to youtube just wim hof tender, crazy dude. You know - and i love like just remember when he's like: if your hands are feeling tingly, it's okay right afterwards, i'm like tristan with your hands, he's like yes and my feet, i'm like right, because you're getting you're getting oxygen, your blood is flowing. Your brain is going and i literally tell people like look if you're it's like four o'clock in the afternoon and you know you've got a seven o'clock appointment. You have to be game on carve out 11 minutes lay down on the ground.

Do this breathing exercise and every one of my clients is like omg like this is bananas, and then they say i'm afraid to do this before i go to bed, i'm like no. It actually helps you sleep yeah, because it calls off that nervous system right, yeah, right, yeah, so all right, i want to go totally different direction. You got the vaccine you just like on this is like yesterday, you got the second shot, yeah 48 hours at 10. 30, this morning, so 48 hours ago i have my my second vaccine, so you're still alive, i'm still alive.

I had a pretty good stress, uh immune response to it, which is expected. You know that's what you want. Yeah um, i had the pfizer vaccine. So it's the mrna, so that's a newer concept in terms of vaccination right it wasn't the actual dead virus that was injected.

It was a little bit of dna coding that basically is a recipe for how to make the spike protein so that the immune system can recognize it. So it's they give you the first shot to prime the immune system. So there's a little bit of warning, something bigger is coming and then the second one is a pretty whopping dose, and so then you, i think, i'm not sure what the percentage is. It's over 50 of people will have an immune response, which is a good response.

It says the immune system recognized it and accepted it and now understands what it needs to do in that. So i had some. You know fever and chills and felt kind of crappy for 24 hours, and i knew it was short-lived and it was yeah, so the so the facebook video that we all saw of the the little micro robots that they were shooting into our arms that were eating. That's not true, no, you sure pretty sure here i am yes.

Yes pretty sure. Yes, i'm kidding, but i'm not kidding anybody out there. If you saw that, i mean people were like this. This is what they're shooting into your body and just like people are such dumb asses, like you know, i don't mean i'm not being rude.

If you watch that video and thought that was true, yes, i think you know i i completely get it and and trust me when when they talked about vaccine, i was immediately following all of the research and and the um. You know the scientists that are working on those that have made vaccines in the past, because i wanted to know is how fast this came to market was that cool did that make sense, and it did from the standpoint that making a vaccine is actually not that Hard, that's why they can shift it now with these mutations that are happening, it's all the politics and the money that keep it 10 years out from getting on the market. So once that piece was removed, getting a vaccine out into the market. Wasn't that challenging but um it's you know for me.

It i think for everyone, it's a personal decision. It has to be a personal decision. It's new. It is not something that we've got tons of long-term data on.

There are going to be some people that may have a negative impact. There's no long-term data yeah, but there's no, you know my bigger concerns with the whole covet thing are obviously the depression and that fallout, but also the long haulers. There are a growing number of people who are not completely getting better afterwards, still don't have their taste and smell back or still fatigue. Six months later i have one patient who has severe lung issues after and he's just not getting better and he's a young guy.

So we're seeing those kinds of effects so the longer time out that we have you know to research and to look at the data we'll be able to see, but i would strongly recommend maybe team we should we should um if this is on tomferry.com or wherever, Wherever they're listening, we might want to link up pam's earlier podcast with me, where we just talked about immune health and all the different things you can do right to up your immune health, because, yes, that that would take us another 35, 45 minutes yeah and the Same time, and i'm only through one subject that i wanted to get into - let's talk - i'm gon na go totally different direction. Let's talk about anti-aging, okay right, you and i were on the phone the other night and i was like damn. I feel amazing, i'm, like i turned 50 i'll, be 51 coming up in august, which that is not old in case you're wondering, but i was thinking to myself. A year ago i had my hip replaced and i was feeling tired and i was on the road and i was just i just felt.

Like i mean i was taking all my supplements. I was doing all my stuff, but it the transitions conversation. I think i was missing some of that, so it wasn't sticking, but all of a sudden. Now i wake up and i'm like i get up, i do yoga.

I do my breathing. I've been doing everything for whatever for a little bit, but the yoga is. The yoga is a newer thing right only for the last year: okay right just for the last year. So so that's been interesting versus going in the gym and trying to you know right.

Nelson i'm like how long can i get and how stretchy can i get and flexible, and so i don't know is it is it that is it nad? Is it these other anti-aging things that i'm playing around with? Is it sups supps, but you know you're the expert like talk to us about the science and then talk to us about the now, because there's a lot of stuff coming out, but you mentioned to me earlier, it may not be here in our lifetime yeah, but Give us some insight on that and then let's talk about the now stuff, okay yeah i mean when you anti-aging. I would. I would think at this point that it's probably one of the biggest focuses in the you know in the scientific field. For a lot of reasons, there's a big money to be made for sure for the first market with something that can be truly called anti-aging.

But i think where the science is at this point is really understanding. Even what that means right, because there's not there's not a one thing. That's going to be it's not the holy grail right. It's going to be multiple factors that impact multiple things in the body; everything from enzyme processes to mitochondrial function.

To this, i'm not the expert when it comes to all of those different possibilities, but i know there's a lot of different genetics right. You know there's going to come a time in the future where we'll be able to modify genetics. Yes, so those are all the areas that are under study currently, but but i think it's it's going to be some time i'll be 60 in august, which is not old by the way. Yes and um.

You know, and i expect to live a very long time so maybe, as i start to hit that 90 mark, we'll have some you know. Maybe genetic modification available things like that. There's some amazing things available to us now things like stem cells right that that are more and more being used um, i think more mainstream for tissue regeneration, talk about that! That's on my list! I've been doing it and it's amazing. Absolutely! Yes! Yes, go back to the um like altering you, you mentioned it earlier and i'm now, i'm now spacing, which is horrible, no editing on a podcast.

You said before you talked about uh stem cells, you're talking about the fact that, when you're 90, they may be able to go in and make adjustments to you like. What does that mean? Well, give us some insight on well, you know that so and - and i think covid is - is a good backdrop for this sure. You know people keep saying why we're so frightened by this. One is because it seems to impact people differently and in a way we can't predict right.

A young person can get really sick and die. You know an old person doesn't have any symptoms at all. You know so it's it in this whole cytokine storm. We don't understand what all that means and really what it's, what i think, what it's peeling back the the cover on is the fact that we're all genetically different yeah and we have different um genetic predisposition.

Remember in the last podcast i said, genetics loads, the gun, but it's epigenetics that pulls the trigger it's the decisions you make every day, so each of us have our own underlying genetic. Let's just call it down regulations or mutations or issues that may or may not ever come to play in our life, depending on how we tug on what triggers them right. Lifestyle has a lot to do with that toxic overload too much alcohol smoking. You know there's a lot of stress lots of things that can impact genetic expression, so the um, i think, the the what i was the point i was making with when i turned 60 would be perhaps by then we would have the ability early in life to Understand where our genetic deficiencies were so to speak, and we can understand them now, because we can look at the genome, but we can't necessarily do something we can't alter that so that it can never turn on.

All we can do is our best possible job in lifestyle, and you know, but there's a lot of things we can avoid like toxic exposure. Most of the time you don't even know you're being exposed. Um, you know 5g, oh, my god is that doing something to our genetics. Maybe i mean csg is coming.

What is that going to do right? Yeah? So you know it's those kinds of things that we can't control for so the possibility for genetic. You know modification at some point. Um is you know something i think is pretty far off into the future, but there's things here now right right actually before you said it, dr peter diamandis, who i had on my show years ago, writer wrote the wonderful book bold and abundance, and that i mean Just ins, the guy's he's the moonshot guy right, yeah he's like no tom they're doing a lot of anti-aging research right. Yeah he's like we're.

Gon na live to be 150, that's going to be the new norm and i'm like it sounds so so far out there and yet all of the science and you - and i both know, which means all of the money is being channeled into this stuff. Because who doesn't want to live longer right, especially if you live in extraordinary, if 90 becomes the new 60 right right, if 60 becomes the new 30 that that sounds kind of good yeah right, like maybe someone that's 30 over here, like brenda, not even in her 30S she's like slow down right like she's like wait, a minute. Does that mean i'm like 11 right slow down? But there is something to that. So, let's, let's go um stem cell exomes regeneration medicine like i did all that stuff right and i have no idea what i'm talking about.

I just want to be very clear: everybody out there again yeah, but i have great people around me and i'm, like my shoulder, hurts i have that back surgery. I had a ruptured l5. I had a hip replacement and my buddy ed park's like oh well, we're going to put a million little worker ants inside there to fix everything, and i'm like that sounds good help me understand what i did well. You know to the best of my ability, because i'm not your expert stem stem cells are that's that is kind of old science.

If you will that's been around for a long time. Actually, when you look at anti-aging medicine research, they don't even talk about that, because that was kind of like that's already happened, and it's here and we're using it um, but the stem cell i was - i was thinking about this earlier today. It's kind of like you know when you go to home depot and you're, going to paint a room, and you take your you go up and you give the guy the paint swatch um, how sexist i mean. Women can mix paint too yes, um and, and they pull out this can of white paint and your first you're like.

Oh, no, i don't want white, and then they take this. These little things squirt all these colors in there, and it comes out this blue that you wanted for your room. Stem cells. Are the white can of paint right they go in and they have no no character.

No reputation, no name no purpose, but they are what we're doing is programming them to become a particular tissue, whether it's a bone tissue or you know we're fixing a labral tear in the shoulder whatever it might be in the hip. We're um we're programming those cells to become a muscle cell or a bone cell, or whatever we're looking to do so. That's what stem cell you know, that's what all the stem cell research was for was to see. Can we do this in humans? Can we regenerate things um? I don't know at this point that you can go in and order a new ear or a new nose, but you can certainly repair certain tissues in the body using stem cells right and stem cells.

You can get from animals. You can get from the cord blood from a newly born baby. You can bank stem cells, so you know i don't have all the details on how to get it, but and it's you know and it can be an expensive therapy still even it's still considered fairly novel, but have i introduced you to my friend chris duma? Yes right so chris is doing stem cell re, like his research, is he's taking the stem cells, doing like mixing them through what he refers to as the douma process, which is the patent process that they do for the brain, injecting it directly into people's brains. That are dealing with dementia or alzheimer's, and he's got 15 years of case study and all this research and people are like really yeah, i mean, but it's it's fascinating, what's happening out there like, like you, said it earlier.

It's like hey. Genetics are like the gun, but it's what you do every day that pulls the trigger right right, there's just other things that people just aren't aware. That's why i love hanging out with you, joe rogan and tim ferriss, and all these good ben, like just all these people that are like. Have you heard about this? You tried this yeah test this so back on your what works.

Now you were saying anti-aging science and then i of course asked questions in the middle yeah. Well, and you would mention exosomes, which is another big sort of currently in use, not exactly 100 clear about, but but it's a delivery system right essentially right. So we can use exosomes to deliver things where we want them to go. Um stem cells are basically cells that we can make do what we want in terms of tissue.

Exosomes deliver things whatever it is. We want to deliver whether it's a pharmaceutical or a nutraceutical or whatever kind of treatment, so those are things that are happening now, but i think for the average person i first want to. Are you calling me strange? No, but i would, i would put you up on the list of maybe more of the bio hacking, yes level right, somebody who who does the work, because this is the point i'm going to make in a second, you do the work so now things like these Anti-Aging options are not only going to be more effective, but you're going to recognize it right away, right, you're, going to notice it it's going to be the difference between two patients come to see me the same day. They both had stem cell treatment.

One of them is going to say: oh my god, my life has changed. I can't tell you how good i am and the other one's gon na say i just wasted all that money. Yes and the the difference there is gon na, be the person who did the work and the person who didn't do the work there is not now and probably will never be, certainly not in our lifetime, the magic bullet that saves you from yourself. No so my my soapbox for the last 25 years - and it will continue - is you have to do the work? Sleep stress, response, management, exercise, diet, yes, right exercise, i mean that that's a category alone talk about the number one and you'll get anti-aging scientists to admit, because they cannot figure out how to make a drug to duplicate the effect that exercise is hands down the number One most important anti-aging now, but having said that, it's not just any exercise over exercise can be just as bad as no exercise and maybe what you discovered for yourself was shifting that from killing yourself in the gym or those and shifting it to something that worked.

Better for your body worked better for you right so again, there's no one-size-fits-all, but something that i'm really excited about with the anti-aging medicine. That's available to us now is mitochondrial support right. So the the mitochondria is the little. You know energy factories in our cells and some cells, like muscle cells, have more than others right, so their job is to sort of pump out this energy all day long that that particular tissue needs so muscles work all day long.

So they need a lot of energy and it's one of the issues with aging is the um uh. You know kind of the the dying off of or or the um down regulation of mitochondrial function right. So, if you're not producing enough of this energy, you can't you're not going to have any you're not going to have any physical energy is. That is that, at a higher level than when we talk about like testosterone or nad or yeah, i mean nad is a piece of that right, so nad is, is um is part of what's needed to maintain mitochondrial function.

So i think of i'm really big on foundations and baselines, so mitochondria is kind of like the baseline right. If you don't have the white paint yeah, if you don't have your energy factories up and running and they have to be constant, you cannot store atp. It's not like you can make a bunch of energy and store it over here you make it, you use it, you make it, you use it right and, and most of us are needing way more than we're making and that's why you get things like gray, hair Muscle start to get muscle wasting wrinkly face. Those are all signs of of mitochondrial dysfunction.

Congestive heart failure, there's a whole list of them sure. So how do i get it pam like sign me up like what do i need to do? Well, actually, wait. There's more right, yeah! It's it's not rocket science. It really isn't the the there's there's a few things, but it's mostly optimize your nutrients right optimize.

First and foremost, don't pull the trigger on the gun right. Do your daily work. You know you you've dan eamon's been on your program so many times he talks about it. Every time you've got to do the sleep.

You have to do the sleep. Yes right. If you're, not if you're, not optimizing, sleep, you're screwed, i don't care what you do. You can take all the anti-aging stuff you want and if you're not gon na tone and do melatonin, if you need my wife's trying these all these crazy, you know this melatonin versus that melatonin and i'm like i could just you know me if i lay down Right here i would fall asleep right, like not wake up for a while, but i love it because she's trying to figure out what's right for her right, because when she has rest she's, unstoppable and when she isn't she's at seventy percent and seventy percent of kathy Is pretty amazing, but not as amazing as a hundred percent right, so so sleep is number one and i think that's an important point you make for the audience again there just isn't a there's there's! No one reason why people don't sleep but i'll tell you one of the biggest reasons: no transition to sleep yeah.

If you just sat with your laptop in your bed and just checked your email and you think you're going to go to sleep and sleep all night, ain't happening so start with just a transition right. 30 minutes. 20 minutes turn off your electronics. Do some deep breathing.

Some light stretching take a warm shower, whatever it takes to transition from work to sleep, um yeah, so sleep, optimization, stress response management, i'm just going to just hammer that one to death you have to none of my clients have stress. I know that's not true, because i work with a lot of your clients. Yes, i do you know, i love you all. We all we have eustress, we have eustresses positive stress, we're moving people forward, we're getting things done, yeah and it a lot of our stress - is positive right but remember the nervous system, death or vacation.

Yes, it doesn't know the difference between a difficult client and the lion in the jungle right. So it's really a matter of and it's not changing stress. We can't change the pandemic. We can't change that.

I am one of your most difficult real estate clients. You can't change that. What you can change is how you respond to the stress, but you can't change that unless you have transition, which is usually meditation wim hof, breathing whatever it takes it is it always involves breath. So if it involves deep breathing, it's going to work yoga breathing exercise meditation biofeedback, whatever wim hof right.

So this is like remember. When we used to be able to go to broadway plays yeah like the lights went down, we were told to turn our phones off. We were in a transition and then the lights went on and the show began and then there was half time right because it never called half time right. But you know: lilson transition go to the restroom grab, you know whatever you want to grab then come back and start the thing again and then it ends, and there is something to that.

You keep saying transition, i'm like yes, it was the biggest lesson that i learned. I realized. I recognized that when i got up in the morning and did my morning routine, that was that was the beginning of my day. When i got in my car to drive to work - and i got to listen to my podcast and i transitioned - then i got to work and i did an amazing job at work.

And then i left work. Yes and i transitioned home by listening to my podcast. Doing some deep breathing, i always sat in the garage for a couple of minutes just to transition into home, and then i would do my evening. Whatever that was could be, tv could be any of that stuff and then 30 minutes before bed a transition and then march happened and that's all gone.

That is the podcast clip that i want on instagram. I'm just telling you right now. The word of the day is transition, so sleep transition, digestion, we've talked about it, a bunch on another podcast in other conversations. Um, do you recommend things like enzymes? Should we be drinking cold beverages before we eat and why we eat, like you know, i'm going i'm going some old school stuff here like what do you recommend yeah um, i would say digestion-wise well.

First of all, the your nutrition has a lot to do with that. What you eat it isn't what you eat right so and i've. It's really simple: two handfuls of vegetables, one pound full of protein, ample good fats in the prep and if you're gon na have anything else, make it six bites yeah. It's that simple for your nutrition you're gon na get good nutrients from that gut.

Health really is more about stress response management, because you're not going to digest if you're in the jungle running you're not going to repair your digestive system, if you're, not sleeping um, you know the digestive dysfunction for most people is something that will ultimately probably have to Be unwound figured out treated, that's where the poop test comes in. We've talked about before, but mostly poop now twice on this podcast last time i think we said poop, like 40. lots of times, yeah yeah people call me up, say yeah that tom ferry i want to do the poop, the blood and the spit i'd like some Coaching pam and uh: where do i send you my poop? Yes, yeah, but but but i've looked at a lot of poop tests a lot over the years, a lot of poop just pooped out 20 years - and i would say yes, most people could use some digestive enzyme help. That's a big issue.

Most of us need a good broad spectrum, probiotic yeah um. We need what's interesting, probiotic and now my wife is doing pre-probiotic pre. So when we eat enough vegetable fiber that feeds the good bacteria in the gut, which is super important. I won't go into that, but it's really important for everything we've been discussing, including anti-aging, but it's pretty picky.

It wants a certain kind of fiber coming from prebiotic foods. You can google their list. Strawberries is one of those asparagus um, but most of us don't eat enough of those kinds of things. You would need to eat a lot.

You know two big handfuls at least three times a day. Most of us are to do that and you miss some of it in powdered formulas right because you're not getting the fiber, that's how you can take a beet and make it powder. Is you take the fiber and the sugar out and you get the just the basic nutrients you still get nutrients, but you're not getting the fiber. So prebiotic fiber is the stuff the microbiome.

Your good bacteria needs to stay healthy, that's the food that it eats. It lives in your gut because it gets fed there not because it really does a whole lot there. It's for the rest of your body. The difference between a probiotic is actually those bacteria strains in a capsule form that you can take to.

I call it fill in the blanks, it doesn't fix anything it just fills in the blanks today. Yes, you still got to take it tomorrow and you still got to figure out why you got blanks there to begin with right. So a probiotic isn't really a curative as much as it is a helper while you're on your way to you know getting things straightened out, but so circle back around you said baseline. So if i want to, if i'm 30 and i'm i'm just going to give an example - i'm 30 and i'm looking at my mother, my dad and i think damn they look old right.

So you don't baseline, make these adjustments first. But let's assume i've already done. All that stuff, okay, so now i'm doing all that stuff like what are all the things like, i'm taking all kinds of crazy things like. I am a little mad scientist and i do it for 90 days and then i assess right.

How do i feel do i feel different as long as everything was the same, and the test was a true a b test before and after without too much variance in the middle and it's easier now because of less travel right, i'm loving it. But what do you recommend what what things should they explore? Well, i think if, if you've got the baseline down, then you're going to be in a place to be able to tell whether or not those things are helping. And i like the system that you have, because so many of my patients come to me on bag. Fulls of stuff right and actually that kind of situation is problematic right that creates problems in the body when you're asking the body to do that much work.

So i think you have to constantly be asking the question: is this thing i'm using helping give yourself 30 days 60 days 90 days? Do i have a goal for it? Don't just buy the the line that you're being sold in the advertisement um and understand that supplement just think about the word supplement means to support to support what the work that you're already doing. If you're not doing the work, you're probably never going to realize the benefit, i don't care what it is right yeah. So so, let's assume all of that's good and you're. Looking for the baseline supplementation and i'm going to think about it from a sort of complete health perspective with an anti-aging bent in mind right, so the some of the top most important things are going to be vitamin d.

Um, your essential fatty acids. Essential means that you must have it for life: you don't make it in your body. You have to get it from your diet and essentially in today's world, that's impossible to do so. Essential fatty acids come from fish oil.