With Tesla stock continuing to rise, the Tesla short sellers are in huge trouble. In this video, I cover the insanity of the Tesla short sellers are how they are stuck in denial.
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Come here come here come here, i've been called obsessed with this by a lot of people. I don't usually talk stocks around the apartment because it drives my girlfriend crazy. I especially don't talk tesla and by the way it's not it's not ruling my life, i mean. I don't think about it, while i'm out to dinner, or while i'm sleeping or whatever, with tesla stock, passing over two thousand dollars a share, it hasn't been an enjoyable year for tesla short sellers.

In 2020 alone, the tesla short sellers lost over 25.4 billion dollars, marking one of the longest unprofitable shorts in history. Throughout this time, the short seller arguments have evolved in a way we've never seen before. Just one year ago, the primary argument against tesla was centered around profit and demand. Today, the tesla short sellers have shifted their arguments to be based on legality rather than practicality.

In this video i'm going to cover how much tesla stock has devastated these short sellers financially and where the short seller's arguments lie today, if you're new to the channel, please consider subscribing for more content like this and let's get right into it during the second quarter Of 2020 tesla beat estimates by a substantial amount on both profits and deliveries. However, when comparing to an annual basis, tesla's sales dropped 4 year-over-year, which is understandable due to the fact that tesla's factory was shut down for a portion of the quarter during the same quarter. Gm fiat chrysler, volkswagen, ford and toyota all had their sales drop 30 to 40 year-over-year, representing an increase in market share. Nevertheless, according to a famous tesla short seller named mark, spiegel tesla is quickly losing evie market share and will soon have its revenue growth in the single digits and um one of the guys in europe.

A fund manager he's on twitter as fly4dat. Just this afternoon he threw up a market share chart for tesla and it's gone from of the ev market in europe. It's gone from over 30 percent to now around 11 and by later this year, it's going to be in the single digits, because a bunch of more models are rolling out from volkswagen and bmw. So no revenue growth for this company no unit sales growth to speak of not that it matters, because all that should matter is revenue in a growth company and sliding market share in any competitive market.

And you know europe's a bellwether for competitive ev markets. I mean china is going to be extremely competitive by later this year, because there's a whole bunch of stuff rolling out there, not from tesla the only one. That's not going to be super competitive. You know at least for a while is the u.s i mean there are.

There is some stuff coming out um, you know ford's coming out with the electric. You know mustang maki or whatever it's called and, and you know in a couple of years before tesla has a truck. Both gm and ford will have probably really good electric pickup trucks and and of course, there's the rivien. But the.
But my point is that in a competitive market, tesla's market share slides into the toilet and that's exactly what's happening in europe and that's what's going to happen to them worldwide. So there is there's no growth anywhere in this company, gordon johnson. Another notorious short seller also shares the same view. He did more deliveries than they did in the second quarter, despite having a new factory in china and a whole new car offering the model y.

So when people start to get the real out or start to see that the growth is slowing, we think it becomes a real problem for tesla. We see that we think it's going to become very evident um in the in the third and fourth quarter, and we think that pulling forward credit revenue confuses people but they're guiding that down 50 in the back half and then in 2021. We think it drops off significantly. We think they go back into burning money, just not just on a net income basis, but also on a free cash flow basis.

Unlike many other tesla short sellers who have given up the argument about batteries. Mark spiegel is still adamant about his claims. Mark has been short tesla for over six years and while he has changed his bare thesis, he still can't let this argument go mark's. Theory first started in the middle of 2017, where he publicly mentioned that tesla's batteries were inferior to the legacy automaker's batteries.

They have absolutely nothing meaningfully or sustainably proprietary and in fact, in some ways their batteries are now obsolete, but it's a design that they originally came up with, probably when they designed the first car around 2006.. Of course, we all know tesla's battery investor day is approaching, and that tesla has filed plenty of battery patents over the past few months. These patents, along with the pilot production line in fremont hint at the fact that tesla is vertically integrating into battery manufacturing. However, mark doesn't seem to be picking up on this.

On august 22nd, mark questioned a tesla bull on twitter. By asking, do you understand that tesla buys batteries from panasonic, lg and catl and doesn't make them? Do you think i am making this up with such an adamant? Bear thesis mark has set a price target on tesla of 25 dollars a share. You heard that right, 25 dollars a share 25 dollars. A share is where mark sees tesla stock going to now mark and gordon may be trading as much money as your grandma.

On the contrary, two other shorts, jim chanos and david einhorn have much more money on their hands. Jim chanos, whose short sellers like to call the lebron james of short selling, has been shorting tesla for over six years now, along the way he's been squeezed out of his short position many times. Nevertheless, he sees an end where he wins as one of the investors in the big short two to put the statement into reference. I'm sure many of you have watched the movie named the big short, where four investors bet against the market in the 2008 recession and make a boatload full of money in an article titled investment guru, channel swarns, the big short coming again channel stated this market is Setting up to be one of the great short opportunities of all time, trouble's coming, i don't know when, but it's coming in this article, he describes the current situation as the quote-unquote golden age of fraud.
To many of you, chenos's argument likely seemed baseless and rightfully so there was no clarification on where the fraud lies. On the other hand, david einhorn, the manager of greenlight capital, actually details. The reasoning behind his argument in the second quarter of 2020 einhorn's fund only returned one percent compared to the s p. 500 return of 20.5.

This was partly due to the facts that einhorn purchased tesla, put options in may and also refused to cover his short position when tesla stock dipped in march. Now, let's go over einhorn's accounting argument. Back in 2019, fiat chrysler struck a deal with tesla in order to avoid european emission fees. This deal was compensated with credits paid by fiat, which would total up to over 2 billion dollars when fiat paid these credits over the past few quarters, tesla didn't automatically book the profits of fiat's credits.

This according to einhorn, was purposely delayed so that tesla would enter the s. P 500. einhorn stated that, through what appears to be sheer abuse of the accounting rules, tesla has now contrived reported profits to make it technically eligible. While it is true that tesla has delayed some credits paid by fiat, einhorn's reasoning behind this doesn't seem to make sense in the first and second quarter of 2020 tesla booked a profit of over one and two dollars a share respectively.

Even with the reduction of a portion of the regulatory credits that were delayed, tesla likely still would have booked a profit leading the company to qualify for s p 500, a b bernstein, an investment firm, which has been bearish on tesla for years now still doesn't get The facts that tesla is not a car company to be this nearsighted is quite ridiculous, as in q2, 2020 tesla's mega pack made a profit for the first time and elon musk has also emphasized that tesla will begin, focusing on ramping up solar panel installations. So, to get to 900 a share, which is our price target. We have to believe that tesla sells six million cars per year in 2030. That's uh more than the combined size of mercedes and bmw today, and we have to believe it becomes the size of volkswagen, which is the largest car maker in the world by 2050..

Keep in mind that this is the same guy who said six months ago, that apple was worth under 200 a share, as he claims that apple was an overvalued hardware company. It almost seems as if bernstein is paid by gas companies to spew out this nonsense as he seems to consistently believe that companies can only sell in one sector. For years, we've seen the media constantly turn against tesla, whether it's business, insider cnbc or seeking alpha. One of these reporters, tim higgins, who works for the wall street journal recently, came out to publicly announce his bias against tesla.
Well, since the stock split was announced, i mean you've seen that giant increase and there hasn't been any fundamental change to the business uh. That would justify such a huge uh increase, but really it underscores just the idea that there are a lot of retail investors who are excited to be in the story, and this is a story stock uh even going back to the beginning. It's the the sale of this is the future of transportation, and it's a lot of ways uh, like the way that elon musk sells his cars through viral marketing and enthusiasm uh through people who are excited about that future. The notion that retail investors are the ones pumping up tesla stock isn't entirely true.

We've seen many institutional investors turned bullish on the stock over the past few months from the skeptical dan ives at webbush to the more traditional investor bob lutz. On top of that, there's also a continuous cycle of short squeezes leading to price increases. The other point that higgins makes here is that tesla stock remains as a story, which makes no sense. Evs are inevitably going to become the future of the automobile market as battery costs continue declining and energy density increases.

This isn't just the hope that evs will be the future of transportation. Evs are the future of transportation. Let me know what you think about the tesla short sellers in the comment section below. If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button and subscribe and i'll see you in the next one.


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31 thoughts on “Tesla short sellers are stuck in denial”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Robin Thaxton says:

    The way things are going mark will Be homeless and pushing a shopping cart soon !

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Hokey Wolf says:

    I feel sorry for Mark Spiegel's parents. They can't redeem their shares in his fund

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars John Batchler says:

    Evs are the way of future cars are made battery driven this been gor a while that gas cars are being replace not to mentioned autonomous cars

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Adela Adelaide says:

    l recommended a professional broker to you guys sometime ago, can I get person who invested with her
    comment below
    let's gooooo

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars beatnuts1uk says:

    Are you going to check if Michael Burry's short is now in profit? I think you will find it is…

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jack Xiao says:

    lol, they are betting against a guy who is also fucking destroying the orbital launch industry and embarrassing the space agencies of entire countries?

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Hans S says:

    Raise your hand if you agree that guys like Spiegel should be arrested!โœ‹

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Darrell Belk says:

    There is no Dark Side of the Moon, As a matter of fact. It's all Dark.

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars IvanPlayStation4LiFe says:

    Who that hell will buy a non Tesla EV car no one. Teala is the worldwide leader in EV cars. Other EV companies don't understand EV.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Syed Sarfraz says:

    Baaahahahahaahah this guy is a joke. Imagine the guys who invested with the clown.

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jung Choi says:

    " I don't know when, but it's coming."

    same as "the market cycles."

    my 5 yr old nephew knows this. speaking of frauds…

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Rahul Vats says:

    your comment about TSLA being profitable if you exclude regulatory credit revenues is incorrect….it wouldn't have been profitable for consecutive quarters if not for those credits. I've opened a short on TSLA at around the 650 level.

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jon T says:

    if i were to short tesla and i probably would,it would be on the basis that the stock price has been way way way way overhyped and does not reflect reality in anyway……how can tesla be worth 500billion dollars, more than warren buffet's entire portfolio of companies in berkshire harthaway……tesla at its current price is worth twice as much as toyota???????a company thats literally selling 10 million vehicles a year…..when tesla has barely a production capacity of 350k cars a year?

    no offense i love elon and tesla and their production capacity is starting to pick up in the last few years dramatically…..but its real stock value if it were to resemble reality at all should be around $25 with maybe a year on year growth of 50 percent…..at $25 tesla is a great buy not at freaking $600……

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Julian Riise says:

    TSLA is doomed, the only reason I am all in on the stock is bcause I want to lose my money. Haven't been very successful yet tho..

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Andrew Tingle says:

    BREAKING NEWS!..vocal Tesla short Mark Spiegel's twitter account has just been permanently suspended for constant violations! ๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Joe Fellaga says:

    Jim Chanos was right about Wire Card though. I'll keep my Tesla shares regardless of what he says

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Din Bee says:

    These Tesla shorts are saying "It's just a car company, it's not rocket science." Hello? Does the terms Elon Musk and SpaceX mean nothing to them? Get a grip guys!

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Norel farjun says:

    It has a pretty simple explanation
    .
    Tesla does not do what you would expect a traditional company to do.

    It is not trying to milk profits from the business model but it is trying to build a business engine that will advance the market, with the company (Tesla) leading it
    .
    Profit is a secondary interest in the short term, first build a robust economic structure and then the profit will come in by itself over time, it will be inevitable to make money from mechanisms of this kind.

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Random Name says:

    Not to keep posting but i absolutely love the idea that we as retail investors are 100% capable of completely destroying these professionals. Like gosh we as experts would be so much richer but you dummies are messing it up for us lol smh.

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Random Name says:

    Here let me make it easy for the short sellers. "IT"S NOT A FUKING CAR COMPANY" you dumb motherfukers.

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Random Name says:

    I view TSLA short sellers the same way i view Flat Earthers and Young earth Creationists. Just completely delusional but their income or lifestyle depends on them continuing to believe in it.

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars fred vergraaf says:

    MSM target Tesla because they miss the ad revenue that Tesla could bring. Soft extortion.

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jose Altamirano says:

    These guys are funny. They donโ€™t realize this company is not an just an auto company….lol Tesla is about to revolutionize autonomous driving, battery technology, reliance on traditional grids for power, and even mental illness, space travel, and underground transportation.

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars David Griffiths says:

    It really is genuinely frustrating that so many of the vocal bulls on Tesla are such biased musk loving brownnosers. Iโ€™m bullish on Tesla, however the simple fact is that the valuations are unjustified. Tesla even in a decade from now will not have revenues in the 200 billion dollar range, even at their current trajectory. This factually is a bubble, there are no tangible returns, no dividends and no fundamentals to justify the sky high valuations, and no company in the world is able to maintain valuations this much higher compared to its growth, earnings and revenue. In every single way this is potentially one of the longest and biggest pump and dump schemes to have ever happened. Tesla if it was trading at even 5x revenue, would still only be 125 billion in market cap. If Tesla actually reaches above a trillion you best hope that the cult that is elevating Teslaโ€™s stock price doesnโ€™t sell, because this is a house of cards, in which only the people who bought at the bottom and waiting to sell when it reaches its ceiling will profit. We can all admire the great engineering feats of SpaceX etc. and the fact that Teslaโ€™s are pretty much the only quality EV vehicles especially in terms of range, but even with autonomous driving, solar panels etc. This company wonโ€™t be able to meet the projected growth and revenue that current valuations seem to be pricing. However the stock market is definitely crazy enough to go that far, just know that from a business sense and investment sense, there is no justification. Letโ€™s just hope all of our calls and long positions donโ€™t get completely blow up on us

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Markus Strangl says:

    Shorting Tesla at a time where EV sales are globally rising stronger than ever before.. man there must be some real good coke to be had at Wall Street. Sure, Tesla won't be keeping their extreme current share price forever, because automakers all over the world are ramping up their production of EV models, but unless Tesla does a share split, they are never going to see 25$ again. (or unless Elon tokes a blunt on public TV again, but I hope he's learnt a bit from the last time).

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Guy Smith says:

    I've been a Tesla skeptic for a couple of years. I finally decided to start buying shares after watching Sandy Monroe's analysis of Tesla Battery Day, and some of his other videos. I can't believe how blind I was. Tesla is not a car company, it's an innovation company, and as long as Elon Musk is alive it just. will. not. stop.

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars M.Streicher says:

    "it's not ruining my life, I don't think about it when I'm out to dinner or going to sleep"

    Ok really specific buddy ๐Ÿ˜‰

  28. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars CAL v1n says:

    It's hard to blame them. Tesla has only had what, like 2 months of profits in the 10 years they've been running. This would prove an issue for most businesses, but it seems the pro-tesla people are just as delusional as the anti-tesla people. I just want a BMW i8.

  29. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars zbiggie229 says:

    Yes EV's will be the future of transportation. And what part of that will Tesla have. Will it be selling cars. A small part, a million or 2 cars a year (but that is being hopeful). Will it be selling the batteries, probably some. Again to what degree, We know other companies are developing their own technologies, so again it will be to some small degree. Well maybe it will be in the infrastructure, honestly I think this is their best bet, since they are the most widely setup company as of yet. But again, how hard is it for someone like BP or Esso to setup their own network within a few years. Maybe it will be the battery facilities as replacements for peeker power stations. Yes I do see an important place for Tesla here. But the technology, is again something easy to replicate, and probably cheaper to produce if you make batter facilities in places like China/India/etc.

    So as I see it, Tesla will have a hand in a lot of these technologies. But will it be a major player in any of these, to the degree where they can justify their own current price. Probably not.

    Personally I agree with the short sellers, based on what Tesla is currently making and projected to be making in the next decade. They are wildly over inflated. It will come down, and honestly I predict without a second stimulus, a lot of those retail investors will be pulling their money just to make ends meet.

  30. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Dharti Nepal says:

    It's not them, it's platform that they are able to use we should notice and dissect rationally.

  31. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Bat Hombre says:

    Tesla shooters or big oil paying them to slow down tesla as they pump more oil out of the ground

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